Lets open this discussion about legal alternatives to Steroids.

[Becoming]

I'll be glad when they ban PH's. They are not as safe as regular human tested AS, as the man from Michigan pointed out. They are not manufactured under anywhere near the same conditions that say, GD Searle makes oxandrolone under, and the sides are far worse while the results are less. The only good thing you can say about PH's is that they are legal.

I won't say that they don't have potential (as the SARMs do) but there is a lot more to it than just putting a Hydrogen here or there or adding a methyl group.... tons of testing and research has to go in to it before you know what you are getting - even if it is both pure and sterile...

If you think about the things people do with regular AAS (taking huge doses, not doing research, not using PCT) the potential abuse and health problems are 100X worse because these things are so readily available....

 

[OMEGA]

pretty much everybody buys their raw material from china or India (including Anabolic Fitness).

not me

I refuse to bye anything not done with US labor

its a matter of principle

 

[StickFigure]

not me

I refuse to bye anything not done with US labor

its a matter of principle

What do you drive??

 

[OMEGA]

What do you drive??

Jeep Cherokee

 

[soflaguy]

I'll be glad when they ban PH's. They are not as safe as regular human tested AS, as the man from Michigan pointed out. They are not manufactured under anywhere near the same conditions that say, GD Searle makes oxandrolone under, and the sides are far worse while the results are less. The only good thing you can say about PH's is that they are legal.

Agreed!
Who really cares about PH's?

Cost?: Injectable testosterone is cheap for a basic cycle, probably cheaper than these PH's.
Side-effects?: All of the side-effects are well discussed on this forum and effective means for treating them. Clomid and nolvadex are cheap too.
Legality? They are only illegal without a prescription.

The biggest factors will always be the time spent training and money used for food.

 

[StickFigure]

Jeep Cherokee

Good enough for me! Glad you're not just a "shit" talker. I hear too many people bitch and moan about "...I only buy American..." and then turn around and every other thing they own is made overseas, including their "As American As it Gets" Ford truck. This whole country's whole industrial power has gone to shit! IMHO

 

[gjohnson5]

Wow , you are long winded Yes the hydroxynorandrolone http://www.discountanabolics.com/page/DA/PROD/4HN/LG03 is something I currently use and I can say I had some trouble doing skullcrushers. Not that my tris are just weak , but skullcrushers place alot of stress on the elbow if you elbow is tucked in as it should be. The only thing I changed is cycling this product and the 185lb skullcrushers I could do.

I've had good gains currently in a cycle right now with
http://www.discountanabolics.com/page/DA/PROD/M1T/L1T
http://www.discountanabolics.com/page/DA/PROD/4HT/L4A
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tl/nitratetabs.html (just because I had some pills left from previous cycle)

But I see good results and I generally outlift the people who I work with (my company bought an abandoned school building and turned it into a gym)
I am curious to know what the difference is in terms of gains from these products and some of the illegal stuff , but you said it yourself. My career advancement is higher on my list of do's then my want to be bigger and stronger. I read the story about the DEA making apperances at the Arnold Classic and that kinda worries me. My company that manufactures "nutraceuticals" is also under diress from the FDA , so this recent crackdown is fairly widespead. A posession charge is a felony and would be a career ender to most anyone in the IT/IS industry. We all have to go through some sort of background check, so staying clean is atleast a sizable worry. Not to mention if you have a wife and kinds what this would do to your family.

Unfortunately Rock , your email is fairly late as even these drugs are scheduled to be turned into controlled substances due to recent pushes in the House of Representatives due to H.R. 207 and proposals from D Joe Biden and my favorite senator in my state Mr Dick Durbin :-( I believe the date is October (ish) for this to happen. It's amazing what people will do to put just on thier resume, in some peoples cases they want to tell people what they can and cannot put in thier bodies just because they don't use them. My name is not Barry Bonds and I am not a pro baseball player , but all this nonsense seems to be stemed from him hitting all these home runs. Playa Haters these days

Anyway I would like to try the real drugs but
1. They are very expensive due to thier illegality
2. They have an even higher cost if caught with them
3. There's a high likelyhood of you buying something fake
4. You dealer may take your money and run
5. Your dealer may be a policeman (if you don't know the person, then how do you know his intent. You may not know the person's intent even if you do know them)


Damn I wish I lived in a foreign country :-(

 

[OMEGA]

This whole country's whole industrial power has gone to shit! IMHO

blame whore politicions and to much centralized closed group corpote power

its a a shame

 

[Big Rick Rock]

not me

I refuse to bye anything not done with US labor

its a matter of principle

You are a good man! If only more guys thought the way you do.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Great fucking post.

But I see good results and I generally outlift the people who I work with (my company bought an abandoned school building and turned it into a gym)
I am curious to know what the difference is in terms of gains from these products and some of the illegal stuff , but you said it yourself. My career advancement is higher on my list of do's then my want to be bigger and stronger. I read the story about the DEA making apperances at the Arnold Classic and that kinda worries me. My company that manufactures "nutraceuticals" is also under diress from the FDA , so this recent crackdown is fairly widespead. A posession charge is a felony and would be a career ender to most anyone in the IT/IS industry. We all have to go through some sort of background check, so staying clean is atleast a sizable worry. Not to mention if you have a wife and kinds what this would do to your family.

Unfortunately Rock , your email is fairly late as even these drugs are scheduled to be turned into controlled substances due to recent pushes in the House of Representatives due to H.R. 207 and proposals from D Joe Biden and my favorite senator in my state Mr Dick Durbin :-( I believe the date is October (ish) for this to happen. It's amazing what people will do to put just on thier resume, in some peoples cases they want to tell people what they can and cannot put in thier bodies just because they don't use them. My name is not Barry Bonds and I am not a pro baseball player , but all this nonsense seems to be stemed from him hitting all these home runs. Playa Haters these days

Anyway I would like to try the real drugs but
1. They are very expensive due to thier illegality
2. They have an even higher cost if caught with them
3. There's a high likelyhood of you buying something fake
4. You dealer may take your money and run
5. Your dealer may be a policeman (if you don't know the person, then how do you know his intent. You may not know the person's intent even if you do know them)


Damn I wish I lived in a foreign country :-(