Lets open this discussion about legal alternatives to Steroids.

[jatca69]

Use it for 6 weeks, get your liver values checked, and then tell me how it stacks up to NPP in terms of risks. I won't even get into the gains aspect because that's not even close.

These "steriods" are a get rich quick scheme by people who don't give a rats ass what sides might be found from their long term use. M1T is absolutely brutal on your liver and like I said, you have no idea under what conditions these chemicals are manufactured. There is no BA in a capsule to at least give you a chance against a contaminent that can phuck you up.

Anafit and AvoPharm passed on this crap a year ago when it was all the rage and we could have cashed in like everyone else. The money is not worth it to us. If in 3-4 years from now the toxicity of these "steroids" turns out to cause serious liver damage or other ailments to people who have used them long term it going to be too bad because the people selling this stuff will be long gone. Right now no one knows what these do to a person using them long term. Luckily they'll only be around a few more months, legally.

Alright!!!! Sponsor Vs. Sponsor...let's get ready to rumble

 

[DIVISION]

ahhhh Fuck those people!
(that was a joke by the way)

I know, bro........settle down

 

[Big Rick Rock]

There is no BA in a capsule to at least give you a chance against a contaminent that can phuck you up.

BA? do you really feel that it is much of an issue?
what kind of bacteria can be contained in a prohormone capsule that you won't get from eating at a restaurant?... Should we be concerned for ingesting any capsule with any supplement in it for that matter?
Some of us that have bought powders and capped them in our kitchen, should we be concerned about the contaminants in those caps too?

I'm not being a smart ass, I might have misunderstood what you were trying to say.

 

[Ulter]

I can only guess you have never been in a chemical manufacturing plant. It's no restaurant.

But that wasn't my point. There are UG labs that make injectable steroids. They are made in labs that are not supervised by anyone. But they have legitimate steroids in the product that are in BA to protect against infection.
The PH "steroids" are likewise unsupervised in their lab conditions, but there is no precautions against bad material going into them.
Which is only a superficial problem compared to the fact that "steroids" themselves have never been tested on humans for short or long term side effects. They just make them and sell them because YAHOO! there is no pesky FDA in the way to make sure they are safe.

 

[DIVISION]

No Shit!

They just make them and sell them because YAHOO! there is no pesky FDA in the way to make sure they are safe.

As you say this, UG labs everywhere are rejoicing in unison.......

 

[Ulter]

The difference is that UG labs are using steroids that have been tested and proven safe on humans for decades.

 

[gjohnson5]

Use it for 6 weeks, get your liver values checked, and then tell me how it stacks up to NPP in terms of risks. I won't even get into the gains aspect because that's not even close.

I have actually done that. In Feb I got off M1t and on the 18 the liver enzymes were elevated. I'm not sure about 6 weeks though , I would have used it for say 3-4 and gotten off it.

 

[DIVISION]

I have actually done that. In Feb I got off M1t and on the 18 the liver enzymes were elevated. I'm not sure about 6 weeks though , I would have used it for say 3-4 and gotten off it.

All I gotta say on this, is that if I'm gonna be using a substance that will raise my liver enzymes, it will be the real deal, not an overpriced pro-hormone.

Pro-Hormones do not = the real thing.

 

[gjohnson5]

All I gotta say on this, is that if I'm gonna be using a substance that will raise my liver enzymes, it will be the real deal, not an overpriced pro-hormone.

Pro-Hormones do not = the real thing.

The gastroenerologist who looked at the number said the elevation was not enough for him or me to worry about. Thats me though

Since I haven't used any of the "real thing" then I can't compare. To be honest I was glad I was using this since we have tons of examples from Lyle Alzado to Superstar Billy Graham who are either dead or have destroyed livers and joint replacements due to using the illegal stuff. But some of you are saying that some AAS is totally safe. I guess I will just have to search on what is safe and what is not.

 

[hammertime30]

Tried alternatives for a year...They are very limited and you will plateau in about 6months...Your body will adapt very quickly and after that you will still have to go to the real thing in order to continue to grow. They have side effects as well when it comes to hitting a low once you discontinue so you will still need to run a PCT afterwards, but just not for a lenghty time...If you want to use alternative then use alternatives, but I'm tired of the bullshit with people trying to compare them to steroids...I made more advancement in 4 weeks with the real thing then I did the whole 8months off alternatives....IF THEY WERE AS POWERFUL AS STEROIDS, THEN THEY WOULD BE FUCKING ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SCULLS!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you....I feel better now......