Lets open this discussion about legal alternatives to Steroids.

[Ulter]

IF THEY WERE AS POWERFUL AS STEROIDS, THEN THEY WOULD BE FUCKING ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SCULLS!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you....I feel better now......

Ah no actually, X and cocaine were legal too. The only reason PH's are legal is because there is no specific law against them. It has nothing to do with how powerful they are.

"Lyle Alzado" That's pretty funny. Do you work for the media?

 

[DIVISION]

Media Bias Bullshit....

Ah no actually, X and cocaine were legal too. The only reason PH's are legal is because there is no specific law against them. It has nothing to do with how powerful they are.

"Lyle Alzado" That's pretty funny. Do you work for the media?

There's still no evidence that the brain tumor had anything to do with AAS.

 

[gjohnson5]

"Lyle Alzado" That's pretty funny. Do you work for the media?

If you go back in the thread I say what I do. Anyway Lyle Alzado knew of Lyle Alzado's unhealthy acts. The media has nothing to do with anything , he came out and publicly said before his death he did this and that, and he put this and that into his body. I don't think anyone paid him to more or less confess on TV, but I think he knew so he said why.

I wish I could find a video what he said on the air before his death, because I remember it vividly.

 

[muscleup]

I was just fucking with ya bro

Yes, they are sponsors. People make threads about our sponsors, their products and their competitors all the time... I don't see why it is not OK for me to do it.

 

[Ulter]

I saw Lyle give his speech, twice. Lyle was not a doctor and had no idea what he was talking about, he just said what he was told. Your doctor would probably tell you the same thing today because an onocologist doesn't know squat about steroids. They just told Lyle the textbook AMA stance on steroids as of 1992 and Lyle repeated it. The media then used it as a boogie man to sell gloom and doom. People just took what was said and spead it as truth that steroids cause brain tumors and spread the propaganda. Here it is over a decade later and it's being posted, by you, as though it's a fact when it's not.

 

[wizardnor]

Quote:
Originally Posted by OMEGA
not me

I refuse to bye anything not done with US labor

its a matter of principle


You are a good man! If only more guys thought the way you do.

same here for me US. only. but the names brands are made out if the US.
my DVD, TV, VCR & haft the car parts are out side the US. sad

 

[gjohnson5]

People just took what was said and spead it as truth that steroids cause brain tumors and spread the propaganda. Here it is over a decade later and it's being posted, by you, as though it's a fact when it's not.

Point number one that you miss. If I believed that steroids caused brain cancer then I wouldn't be doing m1d or hydroxy norandrolone. I don't believe that either.

Point number 2 that you miss. There is no way that any doctor at this time can say with certainty that this drug will act this way in your body. Take drug X and combine it with drug Y and Z and it becomes even more of a mystery. Then take the fact that he probably received plenty of fake drugs. How much fake stuff did he inject into his body? Everyone is different, and people react differently to different drugs. Obviously Lyle had to ask himself "why me" after being diagnosed with a rare form of cancer. The lifestyle questions that I'm sure he was asked on top of the information that was in the back of his mind I believe lead up to him into making his confession.

So what I was trying to say is wheather it be weed or dbol, you need to evaluate what is the cost of buying and taking this drug, including stress , legal problem , loss job/wages, and your health. If you've ever played any amount of sports or done full contact martial arts to any degree , you know that kickin' peoples asses might as well be a drug. Noone wants to lose, so people will do whatever it takes to get to the top and stay there. But in some cases the cost is just too high....

But you are correct we don't know for certain

 

[jcam222]

4 grams of VPX "test-OH" is $50 (cypionate ester)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vpx/4ht.html

2 grams of HMgear test-OH is $69 (decanoate ester)https://hmgear.com/products/testosterone-oh.shtml

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360mg of SMS "oxanavar" is $28
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sns/mohn.html

450mg of HMgear oxanavar is $69
https://hmgear.com/products/oxanavar.shtml

Is the VPX product injectable and sterile? Would be nice as its longer lasting than the decanoate I believe? You can buy 4-oht powder for around $5/gm . Would love to just make my own stuff but not sure if you would just use in a kit or what as far as making it into cyp or decanoate.

 

[Ulter]

Point number one that you miss. If I believed that steroids caused brain cancer then I wouldn't be doing m1d or hydroxy norandrolone. I don't believe that either.

I think it's you who has missed the point. I didn't bring up Alzado, you did. If don't believe his statements why did you bring him up as "an example" in the first place?

The rest of what you wrote is... well... that's nice.

 

[lartinos]

Hey Rick......... Did you inject the test-oh? I am on the methylated nandrolone right now and agree it is a good product.