Laziness post-cycle

[Juice Authority]

Any of you just quit working out fro a while after a cycle? My cycle ended over 2 months ago and I haven't been back in the gym since. I feel like a loafing piece of nonsense. Does this happen to anyone else?

 

[sk*]

Ummmmmm.

lol?



-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

Jerkoff! I was being serious.

 

[sk*]

Well in the case,

I only train when I am on at least 4grams of gear, anything less and I don't feel motivated enough.

-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

Well in the case,

I only train when I am on at least 4grams of gear, anything less and I don't feel motivated enough.

-sk

That was my point. Ever since I stopped I've had zero motivation to get in the gym.

 

[sk*]

That was my point. Ever since I stopped I've had zero motivation to get in the gym.

Hmm, maybe take 50mg dbol in the AM?

-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

Hmm, maybe take 50mg dbol in the AM?

-sk

Good idea. I have about 300 D-bol's laying around. I'll give that a try all at once. You're kidding I hope.

 

[sk*]

Good idea. I have about 300 D-bol's laying around. I'll give that a try all at once. You're kidding I hope.

Bro, are you really serious that you lose motivation after a cycle?

Well I imagine this is very common with most people, and I did lose some motivation in the past too but I never missed workouts. Change your reps up so you don't see exactly how much strength you are losing, it will help with post cycle depression. I just like to think I own the weights and not the AAS, so the last time that I came off I kept every bit of strength and size. It's a mind game. Just eat and train hard.

-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

Bro, are you really serious that you lose motivation after a cycle?

Well I imagine this is very common with most people, and I did lose some motivation in the past too but I never missed workouts. Change your reps up so you don't see exactly how much strength you are losing, it will help with post cycle depression. I just like to think I own the weights and not the AAS, so the last time that I came off I kept every bit of strength and size. It's a mind game. Just eat and train hard.

-sk

Yeah I'm serious. I was so fucking depressed for about a month a couldn't move. It was crippling. I was running a fairly heavy dose of Test and Tren for about 12 weeks and then I just crashed.

 

[Thaibox]

No shit you crashed after 12 WEEKS(???) of tren. Dude, what were you thinking. How much of each were you using, and what did you use post cycle?

 

[Juice Authority]

No shit you crashed after 12 WEEKS(???) of tren. Dude, what were you thinking. How much of each were you using, and what did you use post cycle?

Tren was from week 4-12 (8 weeks total on Tren). I was doing about 100mg's of Tren ED along with 750mg's of Enan per week, 300mg's of Prop per week and 400mg's of EQ per week and 50mg's of winny ED (weeks 1-4).

 

[gymtime]

Tren was from week 4-12 (8 weeks total on Tren). I was doing about 100mg's of Tren ED along with 750mg's of Enan per week, 300mg's of Prop per week and 400mg's of EQ per week and 50mg's of winny ED (weeks 1-4).

Please tell me this is a joke.

 

[Juice Authority]

Please tell me this is a joke.

Which part? The cycle or the post-cycle crash?

 

[gymtime]

Two grams of AAS per week for 12 weeks? How can that possibly be necessary? And even if it were, you wonder why you're crashing so hard?

 

[revexrevex]

I think he is fucking with us

 

[slobberknocker]

You really haven't lifted in 2 months? Damn, I don't know what to say. Maybe you have some other issues man. Seriously, maybe you're depressed or something.

 

[revexrevex]

Seriously, maybe you're depressed or something

no comment

 

[Juice Authority]

Two grams of AAS per week for 12 weeks? How can that possibly be necessary? And even if it were, you wonder why you're crashing so hard?

Who said I was wondering why I was crashing so hard? I know exactly why. In retrospect, 2 grams was a lot more than was needed. I was wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences. That's it.

 

[Juice Authority]

You really haven't lifted in 2 months? Damn, I don't know what to say. Maybe you have some other issues man. Seriously, maybe you're depressed or something.

Well, for the first month after the depression was severe but the past few weeks have been better.

 

[casualbb]

Depression is one of the symptoms of low testosterone. As your natural levels rebound you should feel a lot better, as you've noticed. You could try the 2-on 4-off thing, as short cycles allow really fast rebounds.

 

[JOKER47]

What did you use for post-cycle recovery? Or did you use anything?


Joker

 

[Juice Authority]

What did you use for post-cycle recovery? Or did you use anything?


Joker

HCG 3000/3000/1500/1500/1000IU's - every five days starting the last week of the cycle and into the post cycle.
Arimidex @ 1mg Eod
Nolva 20mg's Eod
Clomid 150mg's ED (first two weeks)
Clomid 100mg's ED (last two weeks)

 

[Juice Authority]

Depression is one of the symptoms of low testosterone. As your natural levels rebound you should feel a lot better, as you've noticed. You could try the 2-on 4-off thing, as short cycles allow really fast rebounds.

Then I would be agreeing in concept to Nelson's short cycle theory. My ego couldn't handle that.

 

[bigerisbetter]

My last cycle was similar to yours I did 1200mgs test-E and 100mg of tren ed. My cycle lasted about 12 weeks also. I too had some deppresion but it was not to bad because I found that coming off with creatine and insulin helps to keep most all of the gains including strenthg, This helps because depression is usually associated with the loss of strentgh and weight.

 

[bicepts101]

het man get back in that gym it can only help your depression man. It will also help higher you matural test levels

 

[sk*]

Well you have to take a step back and think. Did you crash when you did lower dose cycles? (Hopefully you did lower dose cycles if you are doing 2g now)

If not, than you should stick to lower dose ones.
If you did, then you should re-evaluate your lifting goals.

-sk

 

[02gixxersix]

you know besides the prop, which seems unecessary, this doesnt sound to me like a ridiculous cycle, given that he has cycled in the past. I'm sure that with a cycle like this he has a few under his belt. Funny how he gets almost flamed fora cycle like this, and some guys on here throw out 4g cycles with slin and gh and everyone comments that it looks like the ultimate stack. I'm also up kinda early and this looks like it might be the morning crew whcih im not used to.

 

[serge]

dont think about it, just go, your intensity will suck ass but at least you'll be doing some kind of work

 

[Juice Authority]

you know besides the prop, which seems unecessary, this doesnt sound to me like a ridiculous cycle, given that he has cycled in the past. I'm sure that with a cycle like this he has a few under his belt. Funny how he gets almost flamed fora cycle like this, and some guys on here throw out 4g cycles with slin and gh and everyone comments that it looks like the ultimate stack. I'm also up kinda early and this looks like it might be the morning crew whcih im not used to.

Actually the Prop was mixed in with the Enan (Supra 25 - 300mg Enan/125mg's of Prop)/ml.

 

[Swolenpecs]

i think it is totally useless to get on a cycle and stop working out after your done, so i guess your spending hundreds of dollars to look big for a cpl of months, why not keep some of the gains.

 

[sk*]

i think it is totally useless to get on a cycle and stop working out after your done, so i guess your spending hundreds of dollars to look big for a cpl of months, why not keep some of the gains.

Exactly, and not only that but he fucked with his health.

I really don't see the purpose of a cycle that size unless you are gonna keep the majority of your gains. Sad thing is, I bet you didn't keep one pound or an ounce of strength after that 2month layoff. Is your diet at least good?

-sk

 

[satchboogie]

Then I would be agreeing in concept to Nelson's short cycle theory. My ego couldn't handle that.

 

[DaddyX]

i finished my last cycle and i was on numerous shit for a while and havent worked out in 2 weeks

 

[Juice Authority]

Exactly, and not only that but he fucked with his health.

I really don't see the purpose of a cycle that size unless you are gonna keep the majority of your gains. Sad thing is, I bet you didn't keep one pound or an ounce of strength after that 2month layoff. Is your diet at least good?

-sk

Diet is good. I kept about 50% of the gains but you're right. I got to get my ass back in the gym! I'm just in a slump right now.

 

[The Republican]

Where do you guys come up with these cycles?

Juice Authority, I know we have butted heads in the past but I have put it behind me. Please take my above question seriously.

 

[Juice Authority]

Where do you guys come up with these cycles?

Juice Authority, I know we have butted heads in the past but I have put it behind me. Please take my above question seriously.

Bumped heads in cyberspace?? LOL! Who cares? What's wrong with that cycle??? Please elaborate.

 

[DaddyX]

well first of all people really need to start replying to what is being asked in the thread. JA never asked why he crashed, he's a knowledgeable bro and isnt dumb when it comes to AS. it's funny how some clowns come on here who never post on the anabolic board and throw there dumbass 2 cents in about his cycle saying "this has got to be a joke" and shit like that. he asked if anyone get's lazy after a cycle. btw 2 grams for 12 wks isnt really crazy or anything to me, shit my next cycle was gonna consist of 2 grams of gear for 12 weeks........anyhow i already answered yes it happens to me as well bro..............peace

 

[Juice Authority]

well first of all people really need to start replying to what is being asked in the thread. JA never asked why he crashed, he's a knowledgeable bro and isnt dumb when it comes to AS. it's funny how some clowns come on here who never post on the anabolic board and throw there dumbass 2 cents in about his cycle saying "this has got to be a joke" and shit like that. he asked if anyone get's lazy after a cycle. btw 2 grams for 12 wks isnt really crazy or anything to me, shit my next cycle was gonna consist of 2 grams of gear for 12 weeks........anyhow i already answered yes it happens to me as well bro..............peace

Thank you. You're the only one on this thread who answered the fucking question. If I wanted opinions as to why I crashed I would have asked for it. My question again was whether or not anyone else has had a similar experience post-cycle.

 

[DaddyX]

Juice Authority - i feel ya bro...........your welcome

 

[sk*]

Oh man, you guys are clueless if you do 2grams of gear than crash for 2months and stay away from the gym.

This is just riddiculous to me, why even bother? Get a different sport.

-sk

 

[DaddyX]

again, whos you guys ? i never once said i crash for 2 months and i never said i did 2 grams of gear, i said i was maybe going to. you r the clueless one here bro who needs to learn how to comprehend what you read. i didnt say i crashed either i just said i got lazy and stayed away from the gym the last 2 weeks. many people take breaks.

 

[sk*]

again, whos you guys ? i never once said i crash for 2 months and i never said i did 2 grams of gear, i said i was maybe going to. you r the clueless one here bro who needs to learn how to comprehend what you read. i didnt say i crashed either i just said i got lazy and stayed away from the gym the last 2 weeks. many people take breaks.

Taking a long break right after a cycle is the worse thing you can do for your gains.

It is normal for a lot of people to get post cycle depression, but if you don't drag your ass to the gym than it is pointless to even do a cycle. If you have got lazy from a lower dose gear, why would you even attempt a 2g/week cycle?

This seems overkill to me unless you really need that much to grow and are gonna keep your gains.

Now I see how right nelson is with his 3week cycles. I guess some of you guys would need something like that to not crash.

It's a mind game. I know that I don't always need to be growing to show up to the gym, but whatever, that's just me.

-sk

 

[DaddyX]

ok ok.......i was kinda a jerk i apologize. i have done alot of cycles in the past but this time i did just get lazy afer. you r probably right that it is just a mind game and it is in some guys heads that they need juice to grow and even feel motivated. o well, peace bro

 

[The Republican]

Bumped heads in cyberspace?? LOL! Who cares? What's wrong with that cycle??? Please elaborate.

Well, Im an old-timer compared to you guys here so I just dont comprehend why someone would use 2 grams of chemicals for more than 10 weeks.
Back in my day more than 500 milligrams of testosterone plus a little dianabol was considered a pretty hefty cycle. And believe it or not we grew just fine.

Anyway to get back to your topic, I have never experienced this kind of deep depression, but I believe it obviously has to do with your doses.

Just a suggestion.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

I never use clomid post cycle, ever. I don't bridge either, because I realize that there is no such thing. I just go ahead an 'crash'.

Some things to help minimize the effects...tribulus (standardized at LEAST 40% saponins), maca, DHEA (cortisol), Arimidex.

As far as lifting right after a cycle--well, the question is, why aren't you?

If the answer is lack of motivation, you need to seriously rethink cycing. Its not for children. Part of cycling is coming off, and part of coming off is crashing to some degree. I have done long tren cycles, and I know what you are feeling. I am off now, have been since Easter. I am not as strong or as lean, but I get to the gym.

Why?

Because it separates me from you and everyone else who just can't bring themselves to try harder.

Get off your ass. Get to the gym. All this whining will seem silly to you after you recover, and if you sit around much longer you are going to have a real reason to bitch.

Go look in the mirror right now and ask yourself if you want to be motivated or if you want to be in shape, regardless.

Being in shape is not about motivation, its about discipline.

 

[speller]

Yeah I'm serious. I was so fucking depressed for about a month a couldn't move. It was crippling. I was running a fairly heavy dose of Test and Tren for about 12 weeks and then I just crashed.

did you use clomid ??

 

[speller]

HCG 3000/3000/1500/1500/1000IU's - every five days starting the last week of the cycle and into the post cycle.
Arimidex @ 1mg Eod
Nolva 20mg's Eod
Clomid 150mg's ED (first two weeks)
Clomid 100mg's ED (last two weeks)

(as i read a little further i answered my original question)

now im just going to make a point and juice guy (or whatever) your going to get a little red in the face and defensive in your response im sure.
you say that the first month the depression was the worst, couldnt move - or something of the sort?
you were also on quite a big dose of clomid (one month in duration) as well. now for the last month i have listened to you go at it with nelson or whoever else told you that clomid does not work and all you write about is how great it is and how wrong nelson is.
from what i see, your one of clomids biggest supporters on the board. dont you think its a little ironic that the very person that praises how well clomid works at restoring test. levels is on this board complaing that hes so depressed he cant get off the couch?? it seems to me that if all this B.S. you speak about clomid were actually true, than you would not be having these depression problems and thus this thread would have never existed. Correct??
heres my advice - try nelsons post cycle recovery plan. it worked for me and i have the blood work to back it up. what do you have to back up the effectiveness of clomid? - two months of the blues??

 

[~ThaGame~]

Any of you just quit working out fro a while after a cycle? My cycle ended over 2 months ago and I haven't been back in the gym since. I feel like a loafing piece of nonsense. Does this happen to anyone else?

man thats pathetic, i hope your joking
if you u let the juice own you like that, thats sad

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hooo, where do I begin?

First of all, it makes sense that DaddyX and JA agree on this. That's all I'l say about that.

Secondly, if this isn't a ringing endorsement for what I've been saying all along , I don't know what is. The very person who stalked me,day and night, on this very issue, is a casualty of his own ignorance.

I love irony.

Clomid blows. Come on, say it. Say it. You know it's true. Repeat after me: Clo - mid. Bu-lowssss.

2 grams a week? You're such an idiot I actually feel sorry for you. And this has nothing to do with your heckling of me. Anyone who needs that much gear has no right to call himself a bodybuilder, unless you're preparing fo the Mr. Olympia contest. You can't even train now because you know how much you suck. A typical paper tiger.

Sorry you had to learn the hard way. I'd be willing to help you, but...fuck it. You used up your chances long ago.

BTW, I feel great!

 

[Juice Authority]

Hooo, where do I begin?

First of all, it makes sense that DaddyX and JA agree on this. That's all I'l say about that.

Secondly, if this isn't a ringing endorsement for what I've been saying all along , I don't know what is. The very person who stalked me,day and night, on this very issue, is a casualty of his own ignorance.

I love irony.

Clomid blows. Come on, say it. Say it. You know it's true. Repeat after me: Clo - mid. Bu-lowssss.

2 grams a week? You're such an idiot I actually feel sorry for you. And this has nothing to do with your heckling of me. Anyone who needs that much gear has no right to call himself a bodybuilder, unless you're preparing fo the Mr. Olympia contest. You can't even train now because you know how much you suck. A typical paper tiger.

Sorry you had to learn the hard way. I'd be willing to help you, but...fuck it. You used up your chances long ago.

BTW, I feel great!

Couldn't resist huh Nelson. Laugh away. Shit happens. I crashed. That's right. I'll get going again. Thanks for the encouragement asshole!

 

[Juice Authority]

(as i read a little further i answered my original question)

now im just going to make a point and juice guy (or whatever) your going to get a little red in the face and defensive in your response im sure.
you say that the first month the depression was the worst, couldnt move - or something of the sort?
you were also on quite a big dose of clomid (one month in duration) as well. now for the last month i have listened to you go at it with nelson or whoever else told you that clomid does not work and all you write about is how great it is and how wrong nelson is.
from what i see, your one of clomids biggest supporters on the board. dont you think its a little ironic that the very person that praises how well clomid works at restoring test. levels is on this board complaing that hes so depressed he cant get off the couch?? it seems to me that if all this B.S. you speak about clomid were actually true, than you would not be having these depression problems and thus this thread would have never existed. Correct??
heres my advice - try nelsons post cycle recovery plan. it worked for me and i have the blood work to back it up. what do you have to back up the effectiveness of clomid? - two months of the blues??

Who the fuck are you?

 

[speller]

Who the fuck are you?

Im sorry, but i dont believe that answered any of my questions.
i dont expect you to, you look like such an idiot right now. i guess you should have thought about this post before actually starting it. i mean did you not think you were goin to get it after you praised clomid up and down and now you crashed so hard you cant move??
instead of asking who i am, why dont you tell everyone once again how great clomid works. why dont you tell everyone how well it worked for you this time.

and to answer you question - who the fuck am i?? im just a spectator enjoying irony

Im sorry, but i dont believe that answered any of my questions.
i dont expect you to, you look like such an idiot right now. i guess you should have thought about this post before actually starting it. i meand did you not think you were goin to get it after you praised clomid up and down and now you crashed so hard you cant move??
instead of asking who i am i would love to hear you tell everyone once again how great clomid works. why dont you tell everyone how well it worked for you this time.

and to answer you question - who the fuck am i?? im just a spectator enjoying irony

 

[Nelson Montana]

Maybe you should up the dosage of your Clomid.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Juice Authority]

BTW, who moved this thread here? I posted this on the Training board. Why is it in the Anabolic forum?

Nelson, fuck off!

 

[The Republican]

Maybe you should up the dosage of your Clomid.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Juice Authority, you have to admit that was pretty damn funny.

 

[speller]

i believe you owe Mr. Montana an apology

 

[Juice Authority]

Im sorry, but i dont believe that answered any of my questions.
i dont expect you to, you look like such an idiot right now. i guess you should have thought about this post before actually starting it. i mean did you not think you were goin to get it after you praised clomid up and down and now you crashed so hard you cant move??
instead of asking who i am, why dont you tell everyone once again how great clomid works. why dont you tell everyone how well it worked for you this time.

and to answer you question - who the fuck am i?? im just a spectator enjoying irony

Im sorry, but i dont believe that answered any of my questions.
i dont expect you to, you look like such an idiot right now. i guess you should have thought about this post before actually starting it. i meand did you not think you were goin to get it after you praised clomid up and down and now you crashed so hard you cant move??
instead of asking who i am i would love to hear you tell everyone once again how great clomid works. why dont you tell everyone how well it worked for you this time.

and to answer you question - who the fuck am i?? im just a spectator enjoying irony

Who are you...well, so far you're just an annoying, insignificant, non-contributing spectator of the board. Your opinion doesn't count for shit. Who ever said clomid was the reason for what I'm going through now. People get in slumps. It happens. I happen to be in one now. I went on a two-week vacation to Kauai in towards the end of May, which was a week after the cycle ended and since then I've had a difficult time getting back on track. I didn't ask for any of this bullshit in my opening remarks. I simply wanted to know if there were others out there who have had similar experiences post-cycle.

 

[speller]

Who are you...well, so far you're just an annoying, insignificant, non-contributing spectator of the board. Your opinion doesn't count for shit. Who ever said clomid was the reason for what I'm going through now. People get in slumps. It happens. I happen to be in one now. I went on a two-week vacation to Kauai in towards the end of May, which was a week after the cycle ended and since then I've had a difficult time getting back on track. I didn't ask for any of this bullshit in my opening remarks. I simply wanted to know if there were others out there who have had similar experiences post-cycle.

yes there are - those who use clomid...

 

[The Republican]

Who are you...well, so far you're just an annoying, insignificant, non-contributing spectator of the board. Your opinion doesn't count for shit. Who ever said clomid was the reason for what I'm going through now. People get in slumps. It happens. I happen to be in one now. I went on a two-week vacation to Kauai in towards the end of May, which was a week after the cycle ended and since then I've had a difficult time getting back on track. I didn't ask for any of this bullshit in my opening remarks. I simply wanted to know if there were others out there who have had similar experiences post-cycle.

I dont know why so many people on this board contribute a high post count to intelligence. I think thats probably why I see so many god damn rediculous cycles being performed these days.

 

[Juice Authority]

Juice Authority, you have to admit that was pretty damn funny.

I can't blame Nelson for capitalizing on this unfortunate experience but I don't see clomid as the reason behind what I'm going through now. Idiots like speller who are new to the board and start talking shit are different story. I just crashed. Plain and simple.

 

[The Republican]

It has nothing to do with post count. speller is just a moron. If I'm new to a board like he is and come on start flaming people that's not a good way to get to know people.

I understand that, but if the man has something intelligent to contribute but people brush him off simply because he does not contribute as much as someone else, well that simply doesnt make a lick of sense. Hence the reason why I believe this is why I see so many people performing insane cycles with chemicals they know dick about.

 

[Juice Authority]

I dont know why so many people on this board contribute a high post count to intelligence. I think thats probably why I see so many god damn rediculous cycles being performed these days.

It has nothing to do with post count. speller is just a moron. If I'm new to a board like he is and come on and start flaming people that's not a good way to make a first impression.

 

[speller]

I dont know why so many people on this board contribute a high post count to intelligence. I think thats probably why I see so many god damn rediculous cycles being performed these days.

an excellent point "Republican" its a childish defense mechanism that some will use when they are proven wrong and not man enough to admit it.

J.A. - how many posts do I need to have in order to make my remarks credible in your eyes??

 

[Juice Authority]

I understand that, but if the man has something intelligent to contribute but people brush him off simply because he does not contribute as much as someone else, well that simply doesnt make a lick of sense. Hence the reason why I believe this is why I see so many people performing insane cycles with chemicals they know dick about.

Agreed. Now go re-read what he posted and you tell me if he had something intelligent to contribute or if he was just trying to bust my balls.

 

[sk*]

Honestly, I am speechless. I thought this thread was started as a joke but now I fear it wasn't.

Really JA, nothing against you personally, but who does 2g/week and then doesn't lift post cycle???

Hell I understand what a crash is. I've had pretty bad experiences too. After my second cycle, my strength started dropping every time I hit the gym. Every day I went to the gym only so I would see myself getting weaker, but I knew that if I didn't I would lose more strength and size.

I'll give you a little advice that might help you as it did in my last cycle. I sat down and thought to myself and noticed that my post cycle depression always started about 2-3weeks before my cycle would even end, and at that time it was pretty obvious to me that it is mostly all mental. On my last cycle, every day before the gym I would say to myself that I am gonna go to the gym and make the weights my bitch. I was sticking mostly to compound movements and switched to a powerlifting style routine as it would get my mind off getting big or trying to beat my previous rep ranges. The results: kept every little bit of muscle and increased in strength on deadlifts and box squats.

Anyway, hopefully this will help you. If you decide to do a new cycle, maybe try to lower the dose a little bit and try to battle post cycle depression, and as you get more advanced at it you can increase your dose if you choose to do so.

Remember bro, the most important part of the cycle is post cycle.

-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

an excellent point "Republican" its a childish defense mechanism that some will use when they are proven wrong and not man enough to admit it.

J.A. - how many posts do I need to have in order to make my remarks credible in your eyes??

How was a I proven wrong and by who? You??? You're an idiot. Now shut the fuck up and go back to "spectating".

 

[v shape]

JA just curious, how long did you train before you did your first cycle?

 

[Juice Authority]

JA just curious, how long did you train before you did your first cycle?

My training pre-cycle was excellent. There is no dount in my mind that things will be back to normal here shortly.

And sk, perhaps I did go a little overboard on this last cycle, which undoubtedly contributed to the crash post-cycle or maybe it's just plain laziness. Who knows? I have a tendency to overdo things at times which has caused me problems in other areas as well.

 

[speller]

It has nothing to do with post count. speller is just a moron. If I'm new to a board like he is and come on and start flaming people that's not a good way to make a first impression.

Well im not sure why im a moron, but i do know im not new around here - not that that should matter anyway. (even you J.A. were new here not that long ago, does that mean at one time your remarks were worth nothing??)
not the point. i dont want to break you heart but ive been here much longer than you. I used to post under my real name, not posting much just when i thought i could help. I then decided, because of the profession im in, using my real name was not advisable. also im not flaming you, im just stating the obvious. anyone whos followed this little battle over clomid know that you have two side. clomid (you) and not clomid (nelson) you guys have gone at it forever of this one. and now you just admitted that clomid did shit for you and your not even going to admit it.
and dont start telling me about flame fests, (such a gay term) this is honestly the first time ive ever had a confrontation with anyone here (knew it would happen) how many flame fests have you been involved in?
this could go on forever. the simple point is you were wrong all along and your never going to admit it, you wont even answer my previous questions. "tell us how well clomid worked for you this time"
lets not go back and forth at each other and waste everyones time. by not answering my questions your admitting you were wrong. but hey it takes a man to admit when hes wrong - guess we know where that leaves you
and as far as me being the newbie - sorry between the two of us, your the newbie

 

[Juice Authority]

Clomid worked very well for restoring my natural levels of testosterone. That's why I use clomid. Does clomid have sides such as acne and depression? Yes. But does it work for restoring your natural levels of testosterone? You bet it does it. That point has been proven scientifically and in real world experience for countless people. Again, where was I proven wrong and by who???

 

[speller]

Clomid worked very well for restoring my natural levels of testosterone. That's why I use clomid. Does clomid have sides such as acne and depression? Yes. But does it work for restoring your natural levels of testosterone? You bet it does it. That point has been proven scientifically and in real world experience for countless people. Again, where was I proven wrong and by who???

you were proven wrong by nelson. how do you know your nat. test. levels are back up? what are you basing this on? the fact that your to depressed to get off the couch? ya, that sure sounds like someone with healthy T levels

 

[Juice Authority]

you were proven wrong by nelson. how do you know your nat. test. levels are back up? what are you basing this on? the fact that your to depressed to get off the couch? ya, that sure sounds like someone with healthy T levels

I got a blood test asshole!

 

[speller]

I got a blood test asshole!

convienient you bring that up now, and let me guess, your levels were perfectly healthy, or better yet, even a bit on the high side right?

enough of this,
ive had enough stimulation for one day. if you take anything away from this let it be that there are post-cycle products that do work, give them a try and maybe you could avoid all this depression in the first place and would be able to continue going to the gym.

one method to help aliviate moderate forms of depression is to exercise, getting your ass back in the gym might be just want you need
good luck

 

[Juice Authority]

convienient you bring that up now, and let me guess, your levels were perfectly healthy, or better yet, even a bit on the high side right?

enough of this,
ive had enough stimulation for one day. if you take anything away from this let it be that there are post-cycle products that do work, give them a try and maybe you could avoid all this depression in the first place and would be able to continue going to the gym.

one method to help aliviate moderate forms of depression is to exercise, getting your ass back in the gym might be just want you need
good luck

The one thing you have going for you is that you're so stupid you don't realize how stupid you are - Nelson Montana

 

[DaddyX]

i still feel great and still havent worked out LOL..........really i got one question - where did this speller fuckface guy come from, wherever he came from he's a dumbfuck. And Nelson always has to throw his stupid 2 cents in about shit - thats all i have to say about that big mouth prick, i would love to meet you someday Nelson

 

[speedy7]

Bwah, I don't know whether to believe you (that your not working out) or not. Maybe your just joking, trying to be a shit disturber.
What I don't understand is why someone would work so hard with their cycle, training and I don't know anything about ur diet, to then do jack shit on the couch. I'm wondering what ur motivation was in the first place? Yes you may be depressed but take for instance work. How many countless people go to work and the have no motivation at all to go except for the fact that they have to to pay the bills? I'm not trying to flame you, I don't quite understand 1. Your motivation to train 2. Your motivation to Juice based on #1 3. Why you always are playing devils advocate? Maybe u have a little too much time on your hands or you have no personal life at all so you feel the need to get this type of interaction online? Who knows?

 

[Nelson Montana]

i still feel great and still havent worked out LOL..........really i got one question - where did this speller fuckface guy come from, wherever he came from he's a dumbfuck. And Nelson always has to throw his stupid 2 cents in about shit - thats all i have to say about that big mouth prick, i would love to meet you someday Nelson

A threat!!! Perfect, Now you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you're a complete imbecile. The fact that anyone can be provoked to violence over something as insignificant as this shows he's a either a total moron or...well, he's a total moron.

Just as a warning ass-wipe. I carry. So I hope this point is worth dying over -- you piece of shit.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I can't blame Nelson for capitalizing on this unfortunate experience but I don't see clomid as the reason behind what I'm going through now. Idiots like speller who are new to the board and start talking shit are different story. I just crashed. Plain and simple.

I heard that Clomid is supposed to prevent that.










HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[DaddyX]

threat ? wasnt a threat big mouth - i just wanted to see if this is how you act in person thats all or maybe i could learn how to be a bigger asshole from you......and just for you saying you carry makes you maybe the biggest fucking loser ever. now go make a farewell speach about how this board isnt worth your time and people pay for yhour words blah blah blah dick head

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Not that I am an expert on this matter of post cycle ancillaries, but for the record I do agree with Nelson on this one.

I do not, however, endorse his delivery of ridicule.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Not that I am an expert on this matter of post cycle ancillaries, but for the record I do agree with Nelson on this one.

I do not, however, endorse his delivery of ridicule.

Either do I -- expept in cases where it's justiied; i.e. the person is question resorted to lies, deception, disruption and defamation of character, and then is proven wrong but still won't learn, admit or appologize to the board for wasting everyone's time.

If we can get rid of just 3 or 4 people like this, the board would e 1000% better for it.

 

[DaddyX]

Nelson Montana - i think you would definetly bve one of those 3 or 4 people jerk.......honestly tho you really are just a big mouth dick head who has an opinion on everything, every fucking thread you post on turns into something.......get lost for one last time and go talk to the people who "pay" for you words of wisdom

 

[DaddyX]

good day

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson Montana - i think you would definetly bve one of those 3 or 4 people jerk.......honestly tho you really are just a big mouth dick head who has an opinion on everything, every fucking thread you post on turns into something.......get lost for one last time and go talk to the people who "pay" for you words of wisdom

I can't compete with witty rapartee' such as this.

Big mouth dick head? Now that hurts. I've sure been put in my place.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Bump -- only because it's just too good to ignore.

 

[Juice Authority]

You're an asshole Nelson and your comments on this thread prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[DaddyX]

it's sad at age 21 years of age im more matture than Nelson. every damn thread you post on you say shit to other members.........your just wrong in so many ways and this board doesnt do you much justice, it pretty much makes you look like a pathetic piece of shit. why dont you take your opinionated dumbass somewhere like you were going to before, or is there no more people who want to pay for your words as you said before

 

[easy]

Lots of love going around.... Maybe it's time for another cycle. OK, I'm kidding. JA, it'll come back around for you. Being patient is part of the game. Nelson, It takes a big man not to gloat. Pimp, Is going back and forth realy worth your time. Sorry for trying to keep the peace but damn, ARE YOU GUYS GONNA ARGUE FOREVER. How long have ya'll been at odds? Any good come out of it. I wonder somtimes why I read this shit. I'm here to learn. Save the DRAMA for daytime TV.

Rant over..

 

[benevolent anarchist]

Any of you just quit working out fro a while after a cycle? My cycle ended over 2 months ago and I haven't been back in the gym since. I feel like a loafing piece of nonsense. Does this happen to anyone else?

Sorry but I can’t relate to that. Even when I crashed hard I still kept at it.

Tren was from week 4-12 (8 weeks total on Tren). I was doing about 100mg's of Tren ED along with 750mg's of Enan per week, 300mg's of Prop per week and 400mg's of EQ per week and 50mg's of winny ED (weeks 1-4).

I’m going to guess that you’re like me when it comes to using tren. So your problem was using tren right up until the end of your cycle. If you decide to use it again just follow it with a slow taper of plain old test which will make for a much softer landing.

And I am speaking from experience here because I had a similar problem my first time using tren. Since it is an amazing compound, and I wanted to use it again, I did some research and the above answer solves the problem for me. You should check out posts by Mr. Nobody on AF. His posts helped me out tremendously with regards to this problem.

As to where you are right now—here’s the easy obvious part. Make a commitment to yourself that you’ll start back on Monday and that you’ll stick with it no matter what. Just showing up is half the battle. Now here’s the hard part (for you). If it is low testosterone that’s causing your problems, give Nelson’s post cycle recovery plan a shot. What have you got to lose?

 

[Quadsweep]

Who said I was wondering why I was crashing so hard? I know exactly why. In retrospect, 2 grams was a lot more than was needed. I was wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences. That's it.

I do 2 grams a week now. (unfortunatly it seems to be what it takes at national level comp.) And I crash like a MoFo after cycle, but I never quit training. You just need to buckle down and get your ass in there or else all that gear was for nothing. NOW GET IN THE GYM AND TRAIN LIKE A FUCKIN ANIMAL!

Quad

 

[Nelson Montana]

I do 2 grams a week now. (unfortunatly it seems to be what it takes at national level comp.) And I crash like a MoFo after cycle, but I never quit training. You just need to buckle down and get your ass in there or else all that gear was for nothing. NOW GET IN THE GYM AND TRAIN LIKE A FUCKIN ANIMAL!

Quad

Exactly. But the difference here is, Quad does what he must to get where he wants to go. Fools like JA want the juice to do everything, then when it stops, they cry. I dispise people like that.

easy: If this were simply my point being proven right over JA's it would be gloating. But when someone stalks you constantly, insults your integrity and even tries to hurt your business, and then gets knocked on his ass by the very argument he's been using, that's just too good. It's poetic. And by making a point of it, maybe more members will learn something.

You have to realize, if I were a mod, I'd just delete his posts. Actually, I think his behaviour should get him banned, but I think George loves the controversy. There has to be an antagonst -- just so he can lose. It creates interest, even if it's exausting to me.

And even after all this, there are nit wits like Riker who will side with the fool, because, well, he's a fool too. Isn't it funny it's always the guys with the least experience that are the most cock-sure about themselves? It must be great not to know anything. It makes it so easy to convince yourself you know it all.

 

[Juice Authority]

Exactly. But the difference here is, Quad does what he must to get where he wants to go. Fools like JA want the juice to do everything, then when it stops, they cry. I dispise people like that.

easy: If this were simply my point being proven right over JA's it would be gloating. But when someone stalks you constantly, insults your integrity and even tries to hurt your business, and then gets knocked on his ass by the very argument he's been using, that's just too good. It's poetic. And by making a point of it, maybe more members will learn something.

You have to realize, if I were a mod, I'd just delete his posts. Actually, I think his behaviour should get him banned, but I think George loves the controversy. There has to be an antagonst -- just so he can lose. It creates interest, even if it's exausting to me.

And even after all this, there are nit wits like Riker who will side with the fool, because, well, he's a fool too. Isn't it funny it's always the guys with the least experience that are the most cock-sure about themselves? It must be great not to know anything. It makes it so easy to convince yourself you know it all.

Nelson, you have nothing of value to add to this thread other than to laugh at someone else's misfortunate. I started this thread because I was looking for some honest feedback. Quad's response is a good example of that. Quad could have chimed in and said something derrogatory and insulting like you've been doing but instead he gave some pretty sound advice and feedback. Do you really think other people on this board respect shit like that? So, how are the book sales going?

BTW, Riker is no fool. He's one of the most learned members of this board and has a lot to offer. You, on the other hand, are an entirely different story.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Quadsweep really did give good advice. He said you're beig lazy.

Riker is one of the most knowledagle guys on the board? You would think so. He's 21 and has been working out for less than 2 years.

Book sales have been great, thanks.

BTW: When you get a chance, can you post that apology you made about a month ago? Oh wait, you deleted it, didn't you? So now no one knows what you said. Yep, that's the way to get respect on the board.

 

[DaddyX]

so what if Riker is 21, you can still know alot. look at you, your like 50 and act like your 2 so whats your point

 

[Juice Authority]

Quadsweep really did give good advice. He said you're beig lazy.

Riker is one of the most knowledagle guys on the board? You would think so. He's 21 and has been working out for less than 2 years.

Book sales have been great, thanks.

BTW: When you get a chance, can you post that apology you made about a month ago? Oh wait, you deleted it, didn't you? So now no one knows what you said. Yep, that's the way to get respect on the board.

Nope, the Mods did. I had nothing to do with that thread getting deleted. See Nelson, I'm not the only one who thinks you're an ass. Most, if not ALL, of the Mods here with the exception of maybe one or two think you're a fucking imbecile. I'm not going to name names but this, my friend, is a fact that you can bank on.

 

[DaddyX]

i already hit you up bro

 

[Juice Authority]

so what if Riker is 21, you can still know alot. look at you, your like 50 and act like your 2 so whats your point

Excellent point! Karma to you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why would a mod delete it? It was a positive post. Yeah, and your test levels came back higher after the Clomid use --you just forgot to mention it in the first thirty two posts.

I'm not going to respond to this nonsense anymore. JA is a liar and other than his two pals, everyone with a brain sees that. This is boring.

 

[Juice Authority]

Why would a mod delete it? It was a positive post. Yeah, and your test levels came back higher after the Clomid use --you just forgot to mention it in the first thirty two posts.

I'm not going to respond to this nonsense anymore and other than your two pals, everyone with a brain sees that. This is boring.

Good. Bye!

 

[speedy7]

I just wanted to say sorry JA if I came across a little harsh but I was having a bad day. My point though was to make yourself workout despite the lack of motivation, like Quad said get in there and work out like a "MoFo".

Nelson and JA, its okay to have two different opinions, but I think there is a nicer way to discuss opinions rather than taking personal attacks on each other.