Kung Fu...Preying Mantis Style

[Anthony Starks]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, because you're not going to convince me that all things being equal and taking away dirty moves a karate guy will EVER beat a MMA fighter, regardless of how much "great chi" his teacher has, how unified his body and mind are, or how graceful and flowing his technique is. Sorry.

 

[Trojan Horse]

Boxing has rules.
M.M.A. has rules.
Kick Boxing has rules.
Wrestling has rules.
In essence any regulated fighting has some sort of rules.
Street fighting doesn't have rules. Anything goes. That includes ripping a person's throat out, gouging his eyes, breaking bones, ripping ears off. There are so many differant styles of fighting and differanct techniques applied under differant circumstances. One thing I could say is that every person and fighter are differant with respect to their training, skills, abilities and background. Another thing is being able to utilize these skills under differant circumstances. Fighters will act differantly under differant circumstances. Real Life versus. Controlled setting i.e. syndicated fights are totally differant. You don't know how each fighter will respond to a real threat. Have you ever heard of "flight or fight"? Adrenaline kicks in and people who have demonstrated superman skills once and kicked major ass, may lose under less trying situations. There is no finite answers to these styles of fighting. There are too many factore to consider when comparing fighting styles and techniques.

 

[Djimbe]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, because you're not going to convince me that all things being equal and taking away dirty moves a karate guy will EVER beat a MMA fighter,

SO what youre saying is that if you put a person that DOSENT train for MMA rules in a Match WITH MMA rules that a guy that trains specifically tward said ruleset will win ? Umm , duh ? Because , I mean , making it a Sportfight is the only way to do that , and , well , the closest thing we have to a "real fight" currently is an MMA match . Guess what ? Most MMA guys get Mauled in Lei Tai or Rou Shou Matches , too .

And Frankly , thats because you compare Hobbyists to Proffessionals . Give me two ppl that train the same amount of time and have the same amount of Hours in with the same quality of instruction , and youll get the same Results as fighters .

I mean , fact is , Lidell (amongst many others) is a TMAist . And frankly he Fights like one for the most part . He just trains to his Ruleset now because he gets $ for it .

MOST ppl that do "MMA" arent in the UFC , and they , just like MOST TMA Practitioners , just plain suck .

regardless of how much "great chi" his teacher has, how unified his body and mind are, or how graceful and flowing his technique is. Sorry.

Dude , firtsly lay off the "Chi" crap . You dont know what youre talking about , and trying to sound Flippant just makes you come off as Culturally Ignorant , and as for "Body Unification" ??? - the BEST example of that could be said to be Jack Dempsey . And Ali was posessed of as much Grace and Fluidity as Ive ever seen in a Fighter , as well as was Kurt Angle @ the Olympics - and as he puts it "with a broken Friggin NECK !" no less .

 

[Mercere]

If you're a traditional martial arts practitioner and practice your techniques regularly and routinely in life threatening situations and brutal street fights, I believe you'll have a distinct advantage over people who spar using rules.
But if you just "practice" those situations in a dojo, don't do any real fighting or sparring, then the people who spar using rules will have a distinct advantage over you.
Most people just don't live a lifestyle that requires routine confrontations for survival, so sparring with rules is better than doing katas and practicing forms for real life situations.

edit: spelling

 

[whitedragon]

Well back to the original point of the thread. Try the school out and if you like it stick with it.

On everything else. Fighting teaches you how to hurt people. End of story, don't dress it up as something that it's not. Also, I'm not a big fan of hitting people in the balls, but I block mine so they don't get hit. Same as I do with my face. They're both targets plain and simple.

P.S. I'd rather get puched in the balls then in the ear. Now, that hurts.

 

[Djimbe]

If you're a traditional martial arts practitioner and practice your techniques regularly and routinely in life threatening situations and brutal street fights, I believe you'll have a distinct advantage over people who spar using rules.
But if you just "practice" those situations in a dojo, don't do any real fighting or sparring, then the people who spar using rules will have a distinct advantage over you.
Most people just don't live a lifestyle that requires routine confrontations for survival, so sparring with rules is better than doing katas and practicing forms for real life situations.

edit: spelling

Dude , all Mantis schools that are Legit that I know of Spar . All (legit) Chinese Martial Arts Schools Spar . The Sparing Ruleset for Chinese Martial Arts is San Shou . In my experience it includes Kicks , Punches , Throws Elbows , Knees , Shouders , Trips , Traps , Jointwork and a SMALL (no more than 60 seconds at a time) amount of time on the ground .

 

[acneman]

trends
its all about trends
at times people have said one martial art is better than all the others
and that changes every few years
there have been mixed martial art tournaments for hundreds of years
there were times when the karate guys killed the jiujitsu guys
for you mma fans look back to the first ufc's
people came in with traditional styles and won matches
im not saying BJJ didnt dominate but you gotta admit those fights were intresting and proved that those styles could fight
to compete in the ufc they say you have to be versed in all aspects of the game. is this true? no.
does mark coleman know how to box? no.
how good is tim sylvia on the ground? not very.
how good of a kick boxer is matt hughes????????
ive met some kung fu guys that are really good and seen them in action on the street.
i used to talk and train with i guy whos only martial art ever was tai chi
and he was tough. real tough.
ive met escrima guys that were very dangerous with there hands and feet...what??? i thought all they did was sticks and shit????

i dont down anybodies choice of style
in the early nineties at an akido school some of us would show up early to class and practice MMA when MMA wasnt cool
we didnt ever call it MMA we called it eclectic martial arts
i came up with the name
Eclectic \Ec*lec"tic\, a. [Gr. ?, fr. ? to pick out, choose out:
cf. F. ['e]clectique. See Eclogue, and cf. Elect.]
1. Selecting; choosing (what is true or excellent in
doctrines, opinions, etc.) from various sources or
systems; as, an eclectic philosopher.

we were told we couldnt do it anymore so i quit the school
peace guys
we are all in the brotherhood of martial arts lets not put each other down

and one last thing
i was once told i was cheating in a street fight because i choked the guy out
this was in 91
i seriously thought i was gonna have to fight 3 other guys because choked a guy who was trying to hurt me
i doubt that would be looked at the same way today
trends!!!!!!!

 

[Anthony Starks]

there were times when the karate guys killed the jiujitsu guys
for you mma fans look back to the first ufc's

We must have been watching different UFCs I guess.

 

[shootfighter1975]

When I was talking to Georges St Pierre once he told me never to discount any technique from any style. Everyone can be dangerous in their own way.... Certain styles will represent problems for certain people. It will always be that way.

All this being said, I would favour a skilled MMA person in a street situation over a traditional stylist. This is not to diss the skills of a traditional stylist by any means. I am sure someone like Wing Chung stylist Emin Boztepe is pretty lethal in his own right, but what do you HONESTLY think would happen to him if he ran into Fedor Emeliananko???

 

[Djimbe]

Im betting they would have Coffee and a Hard time understansding one another though their thick Accents .