Knees

[b fold the truth]

When you do a step up...chances are GOOD that your shins are near completely vertical. If you are squatting FULL then chances are GOOD that your knees are coming WAYYYY forward when you go down.

BOX SQUAT for a few weeks. Wide stance (VERY WIDE), with a comfortable toe position and make darn sure that your shins are completely vertical!!!!

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[anthrax]

When you do a step up...chances are GOOD that your shins are near completely vertical. If you are squatting FULL then chances are GOOD that your knees are coming WAYYYY forward when you go down.

BOX SQUAT for a few weeks. Wide stance (VERY WIDE), with a comfortable toe position and make darn sure that your shins are completely vertical!!!!

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Right!
My shins are vertical when doing BB step ups and at 45 degress at the bottom of the squat (with my knees forward my feet)

Good advice
Thx a lot B Fold

 

[blut wump]

I've been planning to try box squats for a while too. I think this might have pushed me over the edge. I guess that would be with box-squatting just below parallel.

It's great to have so many seriously experienced people around here.

 

[b fold the truth]

I've been planning to try box squats for a while too. I think this might have pushed me over the edge. I guess that would be with box-squatting just below parallel.

It's great to have so many seriously experienced people around here.

Give it a try and see if it works for you. Just come back and report...good or bad.

With knee problems...start HIGH and work your way down. Use Icy-Hot before and after your workout and do lots of light stretching and warming up before you even do a squat.

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[Illuminati]

when you go with a wider stance, push your knees out (another way to put it is to open your groin) as you are going down, and don't buckle your knees in when coming up. if your knees buckle in when you are rising, it can cause some problems with them

 

[Jim Ouini]

When you do a step up...chances are GOOD that your shins are near completely vertical. If you are squatting FULL then chances are GOOD that your knees are coming WAYYYY forward when you go down.

BOX SQUAT for a few weeks. Wide stance (VERY WIDE), with a comfortable toe position and make darn sure that your shins are completely vertical!!!!

B True

When squatting full I can keep my shins more vertical at lighter weight, but as I get to, say, my 3RM my weight shifts forward causing the knees to come forward as you describe.

I assume this is because my glutes/hams aren't strong enough...hence the recommendation to box squat? Does wide stance box squat strength transfer over pretty well to my regular shoulder width full squat?

 

[b fold the truth]

When squatting full I can keep my shins more vertical at lighter weight, but as I get to, say, my 3RM my weight shifts forward causing the knees to come forward as you describe.

I assume this is because my glutes/hams aren't strong enough...hence the recommendation to box squat? Does wide stance box squat strength transfer over pretty well to my regular shoulder width full squat?

I can't squat butt to the floor with my shins vertical to save my life with my own body weight. I can't imagine doing it with well over 500 pounds. The bar weight would shift WAYYYY back and one would fall over backwards.

Are you SURE that you are talking about the same thing that I am????

For me...wide stanced squats transfer to about everything but the OLY High Bar Full Squats do not transfer over to my box squat or my pling squat.

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[Jim Ouini]

I can't squat butt to the floor with my shins vertical to save my life with my own body weight. I can't imagine doing it with well over 500 pounds. The bar weight would shift WAYYYY back and one would fall over backwards.

Are you SURE that you are talking about the same thing that I am????

For me...wide stanced squats transfer to about everything but the OLY High Bar Full Squats do not transfer over to my box squat or my pling squat.

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I just squatted today and checked out my shins - I think I should've said 'more vertical'

The only way I could get my shins vertical ATF was if I held onto the squat rack with both hands

Anyway, I think I may try the wide stance box squats, starting out high as you suggest.

 

[blut wump]

I tried some box squats today. The easiest thing for me to sit on was pretty much at or, maybe, slightly above parallel. I felt a little tension in my knees and so widened my stance a little more and flared my feet a little more. I did 5x5 with 100Kg (225) after some warmup sets.

They definitely hit glutes and upper hams. They didn't feel particularly strange and I think I'll stick with them once a week for a while as a supplement to the ATF squats since there's good carry-over from box-squats to normal squats. I forgot to think about my shins being vertical so I've no idea whether they were. I'll try and bear that in mind for next time.

Thanks, again, b_fold.

 

[b fold the truth]

Glad you were able to do something with them.

How WIDE is your stance? Mine is wider than collar to collar on a normal bar...and that isn't wide enough for someone 6'2" like myself.

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