Kind of ironic Question for RC and the other attorneys...

[Ironlifter]

RC, first off you are the man and thanks for standing up for what you and we, believe in.

But I was checking out your firm's website today and noticed the "case examples" about what an excellent team you have was somewhat ironic considering that the cases used as examples were serious offences such as drug trafficking, armed robbery, sex offenses, and other serious charges with your clients facing serious prison time.

You take pride in the aquittals that you were able to win, but if the client was really innocent, then why is it such a great accomplishment that any decent attorney could achieve?

I didnt kill anyone today, and it would not be difficult to prove to a jury that I didnt, much less establish reasonable doubt.

If an attorney can convince 12 people that an innocent man is innocent, whats there to brag about?

But if a guilty man's attorney can convince that jury that their client is innocent and save his ass.....

I'm just joking, but everyone needs to wake up and realize that our "justice" system is nothing more than an adversarial game and if you are going to play the game, be sure to know the rules and know that the other side doesnt give a fuck about you or what is right and wrong. So you better get someone you your side who does because if you go into it with that false notion in your head you will get eaten alive.

Anyone who has been to jail knows that a good attorney is priceless.

Once I was arrested for an offense I was guilty as hell of and my bon was set at $100,000. There were guys in there who could not post $250 for their bond and had bee there a week when the judge reduced it at the arraignment. Because of the nature of the offense, drug related, the judge had no leeway to reduce it so my attorney got me a trial that afternoon and the felony DA agreed to let me out UNSECURED!

I even told one of the guys in there "you know whats fucked up? I'm the only white person in here (out of about 35), and watch what happens."

I'll never forget the look on his face when I was leaving after about 10 hours and he realized I wasnt joking around about it. It truly is a fucked up system, but thats the reality of life.

Let me get off my little soapbox...

...bottom line...dont bargain shop for a surgeon or an attorney.

 

[Rick Collins]

The Government has the burden of proof. At trial, I hold their feet to that fire. I'm proud of the skills I've developed over nearly 20 years. I fight hard. I like to win and I hate to lose.

 

[Ironlifter]

Thats the kind of attorney you want fighting for you.

 

[manny78]

The US system is a bit weird to me (100 000$ bond ? you dont see this here) but on some points, it's about the same as here. A good lawyer will sometimes force the crown attorney to bring up a deal on the table or make the difference between 1st vs. 2nd degree murder.

Bottom line, good attorneys are those who love their job. They will spend days to seminars, spend money on the latest books and work your case as if they was no tomorrow. For a reason, they're unfortunately few of them out there and that's why they cost so much.

Here we we show up in Court and see Archambault or Larochelle are on the other side, we know this wont be easy. We hate them but at the same time, respect these guys cause they ain't joking with their cases.

 

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Most criminal layers I had to get wanted full payment up front and pushed the first deal they could get down my throat. I am sure if they were paid by the hour and not the job they would have milked me even further. If someone (RICK) knows a GOOD NY criminal attorney that I can keep in my PDA let me know. You don’t want to be looking for one while you are in the holding cell.

PM from anyone if you have a GOOD experience with one.

 

[Ironlifter]

$100k bond due to missing a court date on a previous charge with $50k bond. I didnt know they doubled your original bond.

Well, actually it was a friend of mine...not me.

Charges were posession w/i/s/d sch III, maintaining a dwelling, and parahphanalia.

My question is, whats whats so impressive about proving an innocent man innocent and using the serious of the offense as a measure of how good an attorney is?

For example, what is impressive about Johnny Cochran getting OJ acquitted of murder?

OJ is, and always has ben, innocent, right?

Please nobody take this the wrong way either, its noting personal against attorneys, just a question about the CJ system in general.

Thanks for the great replies.

 

[nycdefender]

You take pride in the aquittals that you were able to win, but if the client was really innocent, then why is it such a great accomplishment that any decent attorney could achieve?

I didnt kill anyone today, and it would not be difficult to prove to a jury that I didnt, much less establish reasonable doubt.

If an attorney can convince 12 people that an innocent man is innocent, whats there to brag about?

But if a guilty man's attorney can convince that jury that their client is innocent and save his ass.....

A defense attorney should always take pride in his acquittals, regardless of whether his client committed the crime. The most nerve-wrecking trials are those where you believe your client is innocent. That's because juries are screwy. There are plenty of wrongful convictions. That keeps Innocense Project and other lawyers plenty busy trying to overturn those convictions. Jurors tend to believe that there are no false confessions and that eyewitness identifications are reliable, despite the plethora of clinical studies and actual cases showing the contrary. So getting an acquittal on an innocent client is far from a walk in the park. It takes great persuasion skills to convince a jury to vote not guilty.

 

[liftshard]

What's impressive about acquittal is that the State plays with unlimited resources, has the stamp of "authenticity" to the testimony of ALL of their paid perjurers (cops, etc.), and they pay the fucking judge out of the same bank as the rest of the State clowns.

 

[manny78]

$100k bond due to missing a court date on a previous charge with $50k bond. I didnt know they doubled your original bond.

Well, actually it was a friend of mine...not me.

Charges were posession w/i/s/d sch III, maintaining a dwelling, and parahphanalia.

My question is, whats whats so impressive about proving an innocent man innocent and using the serious of the offense as a measure of how good an attorney is?

For example, what is impressive about Johnny Cochran getting OJ acquitted of murder?

OJ is, and always has ben, innocent, right?

Please nobody take this the wrong way either, its noting personal against attorneys, just a question about the CJ system in general.

Thanks for the great replies.

Here there're more and more using "judicial mortgages" instead of bonds. So unless you dont show up, you have nothing to lose.

 

[Ironlifter]

RC,

I never thought of that, but it must be nerve wracking to know that the freedom of a client you feel is innocent rests on your ability to convince a jury. Thats some serious pressure.

The state may have some resources, but they also have the burden of proof.

The defense has the constitution and must only establish reasonable doubt.

Finding someone guilty beyond any reasonable doubt is much, much more difficult than the mere 51% it takes to establish probable cause.