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Kick my first cycle please!!!

Just run the test at 250-500 mg/week. Like you said this is your first cycle so you will respond well... TO LOW DOSES. Don't spend/use more than you have to. Also can you get test e or test cyp instead? With sust you should inject ed or eod at worst. You can get away with 2x per week, but I wouldn't do that... as I just got through doing it that way and the sides were worse for me with 2x per week.

Don't run the eq, and I'd say stay away from dbol until the next cycle. This way you know how you react to the test, and see if you would be gyno prone to test, you might not be, but deca and tren might make you have c cups!(Not literally but you get the point).
 
cswole said:
Just run the test at 250-500 mg/week. Like you said this is your first cycle so you will respond well... TO LOW DOSES. Don't spend/use more than you have to. Also can you get test e or test cyp instead? With sust you should inject ed or eod at worst. You can get away with 2x per week, but I wouldn't do that... as I just got through doing it that way and the sides were worse for me with 2x per week..

inject ed or eod at worst? whats that mean? what ed or eod?
so are you saying to inject 2 amps of 250 sust in one day and do it once a week??
Yes I can get test e or test cyp but why?? isn't sust number one?
My trade in value is really bad too....like I have to trade 9-10 sust to get one var or Tbol or Test e.
Can you please clarify? K 2 all

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ED=Every Day, EOD = Every other day.

Basically keeps the blood levels much more stable. The prop is fast acting, and only injecting 2x a week will have the bloodlevels in a rollercoster , increasing chances of sides/worsen them.

Sust has a good rep, but honestly. TEST IS TEST. Test cyp, test e, test prop, test suspension, sust, andropen, etc... all of it is the same, just different esters, leading to a different half life/time it takes to effect or leave the system.

You can't get test e or cyp cheaper than sust? Weird... it usually ends up being sust cost 50-100% more.
 
i think it looks good but i would add adex from the start to run through PCT. i would lengthen the total cycle to 16 weeks with only an oral like winnie or tbol the last four weeks. start hcg the last week or two.
 
you need to run adex throughout the cycle and ptc. especially because you have had gyno before. also, inject the sust eod or at least 3x/wk. this will keep your blood levels stable, which means better gains and less sides.
 
okay, I think I see a few of the questions you're asking from a different perspective since I am also a n00b to the chemical portion of the game and have spent an insane amount of time reading, while still being very experienced with the ("natural") iron.

First off, ED = every day. EOD = every other day. E3D = every 3rd day, etc.

The reason people are throwing up red flags left and right is because you used the "g" word, gyno. No one is busting your chops, understand that the peeps on this board actually give a shit about new bros, and they don't want a new bro growing a set of jugs due to lack of good advice. If you've had gyno prior to ever using steroids, that means you are almost definitely prone to it, and from your cycle, you will grow a nice set of titties. Hence the recommendations to use low amounts every other day of the sustanon only. That way

a) you don't have to worry about dbol bloat and boobies
b) you don't have to worry about greatly varying levels of testosterone in your system, along with the associated bloat and boobies
c) you won't have to worry about shopping for bras.

sustanon isn't "king", per se, it is just "fancy". It has 4 different esters of test which will cause a more varied supply of testosterone to your system than, say, cyp or enanthate. Injecting sus EOD (Every other day) will mean that you will have a relatively consistent amount of the faster-acting esters in your body at any given time as well as slowly building up a supply of the longer esters, which means your overall testosterone level changes will probably be far more gradual, which means that you will probably have less side affects since sides are associated with drastic t-level changes, not just overall dose.

as for using EQ or not using EQ, you will, if you peruse a series of boards, generally find a 50/50 split. Some think test + deca/EQ is a wonderful first cycle, others think test alone is just fine. You won't know how it will work for yourself until you try. There is much to be said, however, for the idea of "use 1 item so you know EXACTLY how you respond to it". and since 99.99999% of all (knowledgeable) bros use test as a base, pretty good idea to understand how your body will react to it.

and, until you have FULL KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING of PCT and how to prevent gyno, from meds to doses to timing, then you need to avoid doing ANY type of cycle.

that is, unless, you want to spend your evenings fondling your *own* tits instead of your g/f's.

As for me and my mostly worthless opinion, at the age of 23, I was a walking erection as it was, and had no problems at all following a ridiculous workout plan and making great gains from it, I shudder to think what would've happened if I added over 1g of hormone into my body at that time.

Ask yourself this question...can you do barbell rows with excellent form? and by that, I mean, can you smoke your lats with just set after set of barbell rows? or will your lower back and arms and shoulders get trashed while your lats are still waiting for work?

What about squats? Is your squat technique down perfect, or do your hips float around at the bottom? Do your knees buckle inward as you come out of the hole? Does your ass tend to come up faster than your shoulders, necessitating a half-good-morning/half-squat approx 2/3 of the way up?

Can you deadlift properly? Meaning, your hips are low, your shoulders square, and your lower back curvature maintained without rounding, even when you are at your limit? Do you heave the weight or is it a strong, solid, steady pull with straight arms?

What about your bench? Do you have a strength deficit on one side as you get tired? Do you find yourself lifting one of your legs near the end of a set and twisting a bit to one side because of a flexibility/coordination/strength deficit between your dominant and non-dominant side?

If you don't already have significant weight lifting experience (no offense, but you probably don't unless you started very young and learned from someone very wise) and you don't already know how to eat for both muscular growth and bodyfat loss, then you probably should learn before you waste the most productive steroid cycle you'll ever do. The growth potential of your first cycle is optimal. Would be pretty cool if you had optimal exercise technique and and dietary knowledge as well, otherwise, it's like putting 87 octane into a Ferrari.

I mean, it'll work, and it'll still be pretty good, but...why bother?
 
Always Athletic since 14yrs old....Swimming, Karate, Tae Kwon do, Tennis, 16yrs old...Boxing, Strength training, now body building.
I think @ my weight and height & no belly or Ass I'm pretty stocky.
I'm not going to start this cycle till I'm fully sure of it and get approvals from you bros.
Thanks....
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I dont know if this was mentioned sorry i jsut skimmed it but if you are using sus don't jsut inject twice a week. Take advantage of the short ester otherwise you wont get the full amount. If you dont mind to inject then try for at least a m-w-f inject schedule if you can do an EOD more power to ya (literally).
 
slat1 said:
Thats more AAS than I have ever done and its your first cycle?
I went from 200 to 220 on 250mgs a week of test ent. I did a ten weeker.
Your gains are a direct result of how you eat. I stayed at 6% on my first run.

I am a minimalist when it comes to AAS. The guys on the board know this. I would just run 250 a week. Run 500 if you must. Better to start low though.

At 18 to 19% body fat I think you could get amazing results from a good bodybuilding diet. PM me if you are interested and I will link you to the proper people who will build you a diet for your body and your goals for free.

Also, you know basic science. You want to try one compound first to see how your body responds to it. Once you know you can add in a second to see the results.

You have the rest of you life to get to your goals. Take it slow and make sure you do it right!

Good luck!


that's exactly what i was going to say...I would listen to him
 
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