Kick my first cycle please!!!

[Zuperman]

This is it, after reading the stickies and Anabolics 2005 and feeling that I got it all......this is what I came out with.
All Indys, radar, satch, makavelli, dieselgunz, mustang and other vets posts I think I can start.


Sust 1-12wk 250mg twice a week
EQ 1-12wk 400mg once a week
D-bol 1-5wk 25mg a day
PCT-nolva & HCG & Clomid

I looked at it in a scientific way since I'm a chemist.
I'm using Sust since I have an unlimited supply of it.
kept the Sest more then the EQ.
Might Continue Dbol @ 10mg a day after the first 5 wks of 25mg a day.
I know my body is virgin and it will reponde well the first time so I'm still thinking of increasing the doses. Input?

My current stats 23yr...225 pound....5'10'' .
Please give me all the input you can give me, I'm a student more then a teacher so I'm open to views.
Thank you guys

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[Zuperman]

Bump, Atleast I'm not afraid of Needles....come on

 

[bluehen]

Most will say that the EQ need's to be run longer. You might want to save the eq for a future cycle and just stick with the test and d-bol for the first cycle.

 

[Zuperman]

Thank you Bluehen, I want to take atvantage that my receptors are virgin so I hit it hard the first time...I can start EQ 3 weeks earlier....

 

[bluehen]

Thank you Bluehen, I want to take atvantage that my receptors are virgin so I hit it hard the first time...I can start EQ 3 weeks earlier....

You can do that. One thing about using the test only is that if sides do become evident you know were they are comming from. Sounds like you are ready to go good luck to you.

 

[mrdeeznuts]

This is it, after reading the stickies and Anabolics 2005 and feeling that I got it all......this is what I came out with.
All Indys, radar, satch, makavelli, dieselgunz, mustang and other vets posts I think I can start.


Sust 1-12wk 250mg twice a week
EQ 1-12wk 400mg once a week
D-bol 1-5wk 25mg a day
PCT-nolva & HCG & Clomid

I looked at it in a scientific way since I'm a chemist.
I'm using Sust since I have an unlimited supply of it.
kept the Sest more then the EQ.
Might Continue Dbol @ 10mg a day after the first 5 wks of 25mg a day.
I know my body is virgin and it will reponde well the first time so I'm still thinking of increasing the doses. Input?

My current stats 23yr...225 pound....5'10'' .
Please give me all the input you can give me, I'm a student more then a teacher so I'm open to views.
Thank you guys

[email protected]

what percent body fat are you?

also since its ur first i would just use sust, then move up to sust and dbol, then move up to sust,dbol, and eq.

however the cycle doseages look good and time frame also. could possibly extend it to 15wks

 

[Zuperman]

18%-19% thank you tommy K to u.

 

[Ozz2001]

Fare gain's with this cycle....

 

[Zuperman]

Fare gain's with this cycle....

So you think I should up the dosage for better gains? tell me how to make it maximum gains please. k2u


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Chemical-Questions-Answered

 

[steez]

split the EQ in half and inject twice a week

 

[mrdeeznuts]

i also think spliting the eq injections would be a good idea, ur already doing the sust twice so the eq won't be a hassle either

i also suggest dieting down a bit before cycle and try to get below the 15 mark.

also a good idea to run through ur nutrition plan. if you don't eat properly the cycle won't do you much good. you'll blow up and the shrink back down.

i've shrunk twice due to stomach problems and it feels like such a waste, plus its depressing. so make sure you have everything dialed in and make sure you continue to eat more and more while off cycle.

also don't think more juice means more gains, seems you may be thinking this. thats why i suggested bumping ur ingredients per cycle.

 

[chaquito]

you dont need so much juice for your first time bro. 500-600mg test per week for ten weeks is all what you need for now. if you diet and training ar in check you should gain at leat 20 pounds.

 

[Kick-Ass Stack]

The cycle looks good to me. I'd probably try and extend the EQ though. I posted up a cycle that's close to this and most of the replies were telling me to extend the EQ to around 14 weeks. I think the dbol is gonna blow you up.

Do you know your dosages for PCT?

 

[boops]

agree with what was said above, i would vote for just test 500-600mg with the dbol added in...save the eq for round 2 this way youll know whats working....i also vote for you to add a few weeks of prop in the end to ease yourself into PCT and stop any "deadtime" you will have till PCT...meaning

600mg sust 1-10
400mg prop (100 EOD) 11-14

PCT 15

if you do it the way you proposed then your waiting weeks before starting PCT to let levels diminish when you could add prop and start PCT the day after the last shot.....either way you decide to do it GOODLUCK and keep us posted, i commend you for at least doing some reading and researching...k to you

 

[Zuperman]

NO, I dont know my PCT dosages, Thats because I'm prone to Gyno..I have had it before.

 

[mrdeeznuts]

NO, I dont know my PCT dosages, Thats because I'm prone to Gyno..I have had it before.

there's a wonderful pct board on the forums, check it out and do some more studying. it will help you out.

 

[boops]

NO, I dont know my PCT dosages, Thats because I'm prone to Gyno..I have had it before.

BIG RED FLAG there bro

tommy helped ya out below, hit up the PCT board and READ READ READ...if you dont follow a good PCT then all the hard work you put into gaining on cycle will more likely then not be lost......you NEED to have your PCT plan set up before you start!

 

[Prizz]

This is it, after reading the stickies and Anabolics 2005 and feeling that I got it all......this is what I came out with.
All Indys, radar, satch, makavelli, dieselgunz, mustang and other vets posts I think I can start.


Sust 1-12wk 250mg twice a week
EQ 1-12wk 400mg once a week
D-bol 1-5wk 25mg a day
PCT-nolva & HCG & Clomid

I looked at it in a scientific way since I'm a chemist.
I'm using Sust since I have an unlimited supply of it.
kept the Sest more then the EQ.
Might Continue Dbol @ 10mg a day after the first 5 wks of 25mg a day.
I know my body is virgin and it will reponde well the first time so I'm still thinking of increasing the doses. Input?

My current stats 23yr...225 pound....5'10'' .
Please give me all the input you can give me, I'm a student more then a teacher so I'm open to views.
Thank you guys

[email protected]

1st cycle, and youre still thinking of increasing the dosages? Bro, youre like a kid in a candy store, that's a bit too much juice for your 1st ever cycle..... Test at like 500-750mg per week is a much better choice.... Youre gonna get some sides, everyone does, but everyone gets different sides.... So you need to just to Test to see how it affects your body.... I especially think this now since you said your gyno prone.... Be safe, and just use the Test for the 1st cycle, then the next cycle use the EQ..... That's my advice to ya..... Also, PCT has to be good, and have the supplements needed ON HAND before you start the cycle.... Good Luck

rizz

 

[Zuperman]

I have tons of sust on hand, as well as Nolva, clomid .....I'm saying unlimited supply.....just trying to find the right dosages for me.


Thank you guys

 

[slat1]

Thats more AAS than I have ever done and its your first cycle?
I went from 200 to 220 on 250mgs a week of test ent. I did a ten weeker.
Your gains are a direct result of how you eat. I stayed at 6% on my first run.

I am a minimalist when it comes to AAS. The guys on the board know this. I would just run 250 a week. Run 500 if you must. Better to start low though.

At 18 to 19% body fat I think you could get amazing results from a good bodybuilding diet. PM me if you are interested and I will link you to the proper people who will build you a diet for your body and your goals for free.

Also, you know basic science. You want to try one compound first to see how your body responds to it. Once you know you can add in a second to see the results.

You have the rest of you life to get to your goals. Take it slow and make sure you do it right!

Good luck!

 

[cswole]

Just run the test at 250-500 mg/week. Like you said this is your first cycle so you will respond well... TO LOW DOSES. Don't spend/use more than you have to. Also can you get test e or test cyp instead? With sust you should inject ed or eod at worst. You can get away with 2x per week, but I wouldn't do that... as I just got through doing it that way and the sides were worse for me with 2x per week.

Don't run the eq, and I'd say stay away from dbol until the next cycle. This way you know how you react to the test, and see if you would be gyno prone to test, you might not be, but deca and tren might make you have c cups!(Not literally but you get the point).

 

[Zuperman]

Just run the test at 250-500 mg/week. Like you said this is your first cycle so you will respond well... TO LOW DOSES. Don't spend/use more than you have to. Also can you get test e or test cyp instead? With sust you should inject ed or eod at worst. You can get away with 2x per week, but I wouldn't do that... as I just got through doing it that way and the sides were worse for me with 2x per week..

inject ed or eod at worst? whats that mean? what ed or eod?
so are you saying to inject 2 amps of 250 sust in one day and do it once a week??
Yes I can get test e or test cyp but why?? isn't sust number one?
My trade in value is really bad too....like I have to trade 9-10 sust to get one var or Tbol or Test e.
Can you please clarify? K 2 all

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[cswole]

ED=Every Day, EOD = Every other day.

Basically keeps the blood levels much more stable. The prop is fast acting, and only injecting 2x a week will have the bloodlevels in a rollercoster , increasing chances of sides/worsen them.

Sust has a good rep, but honestly. TEST IS TEST. Test cyp, test e, test prop, test suspension, sust, andropen, etc... all of it is the same, just different esters, leading to a different half life/time it takes to effect or leave the system.

You can't get test e or cyp cheaper than sust? Weird... it usually ends up being sust cost 50-100% more.

 

[Triple J]

i think it looks good but i would add adex from the start to run through PCT. i would lengthen the total cycle to 16 weeks with only an oral like winnie or tbol the last four weeks. start hcg the last week or two.

 

[asianlover]

you need to run adex throughout the cycle and ptc. especially because you have had gyno before. also, inject the sust eod or at least 3x/wk. this will keep your blood levels stable, which means better gains and less sides.

 

[kethnaab]

okay, I think I see a few of the questions you're asking from a different perspective since I am also a n00b to the chemical portion of the game and have spent an insane amount of time reading, while still being very experienced with the ("natural") iron.

First off, ED = every day. EOD = every other day. E3D = every 3rd day, etc.

The reason people are throwing up red flags left and right is because you used the "g" word, gyno. No one is busting your chops, understand that the peeps on this board actually give a shit about new bros, and they don't want a new bro growing a set of jugs due to lack of good advice. If you've had gyno prior to ever using steroids, that means you are almost definitely prone to it, and from your cycle, you will grow a nice set of titties. Hence the recommendations to use low amounts every other day of the sustanon only. That way

a) you don't have to worry about dbol bloat and boobies
b) you don't have to worry about greatly varying levels of testosterone in your system, along with the associated bloat and boobies
c) you won't have to worry about shopping for bras.

sustanon isn't "king", per se, it is just "fancy". It has 4 different esters of test which will cause a more varied supply of testosterone to your system than, say, cyp or enanthate. Injecting sus EOD (Every other day) will mean that you will have a relatively consistent amount of the faster-acting esters in your body at any given time as well as slowly building up a supply of the longer esters, which means your overall testosterone level changes will probably be far more gradual, which means that you will probably have less side affects since sides are associated with drastic t-level changes, not just overall dose.

as for using EQ or not using EQ, you will, if you peruse a series of boards, generally find a 50/50 split. Some think test + deca/EQ is a wonderful first cycle, others think test alone is just fine. You won't know how it will work for yourself until you try. There is much to be said, however, for the idea of "use 1 item so you know EXACTLY how you respond to it". and since 99.99999% of all (knowledgeable) bros use test as a base, pretty good idea to understand how your body will react to it.

and, until you have FULL KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING of PCT and how to prevent gyno, from meds to doses to timing, then you need to avoid doing ANY type of cycle.

that is, unless, you want to spend your evenings fondling your *own* tits instead of your g/f's.

As for me and my mostly worthless opinion, at the age of 23, I was a walking erection as it was, and had no problems at all following a ridiculous workout plan and making great gains from it, I shudder to think what would've happened if I added over 1g of hormone into my body at that time.

Ask yourself this question...can you do barbell rows with excellent form? and by that, I mean, can you smoke your lats with just set after set of barbell rows? or will your lower back and arms and shoulders get trashed while your lats are still waiting for work?

What about squats? Is your squat technique down perfect, or do your hips float around at the bottom? Do your knees buckle inward as you come out of the hole? Does your ass tend to come up faster than your shoulders, necessitating a half-good-morning/half-squat approx 2/3 of the way up?

Can you deadlift properly? Meaning, your hips are low, your shoulders square, and your lower back curvature maintained without rounding, even when you are at your limit? Do you heave the weight or is it a strong, solid, steady pull with straight arms?

What about your bench? Do you have a strength deficit on one side as you get tired? Do you find yourself lifting one of your legs near the end of a set and twisting a bit to one side because of a flexibility/coordination/strength deficit between your dominant and non-dominant side?

If you don't already have significant weight lifting experience (no offense, but you probably don't unless you started very young and learned from someone very wise) and you don't already know how to eat for both muscular growth and bodyfat loss, then you probably should learn before you waste the most productive steroid cycle you'll ever do. The growth potential of your first cycle is optimal. Would be pretty cool if you had optimal exercise technique and and dietary knowledge as well, otherwise, it's like putting 87 octane into a Ferrari.

I mean, it'll work, and it'll still be pretty good, but...why bother?

 

[bilter]

I'm with slat1. start low. I got very good results early on with just test E @ 200mg per week.

 

[Zuperman]

Always Athletic since 14yrs old....Swimming, Karate, Tae Kwon do, Tennis, 16yrs old...Boxing, Strength training, now body building.
I think @ my weight and height & no belly or Ass I'm pretty stocky.
I'm not going to start this cycle till I'm fully sure of it and get approvals from you bros.
Thanks....
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[UFC22]

I dont know if this was mentioned sorry i jsut skimmed it but if you are using sus don't jsut inject twice a week. Take advantage of the short ester otherwise you wont get the full amount. If you dont mind to inject then try for at least a m-w-f inject schedule if you can do an EOD more power to ya (literally).

 

[MTS]

Thats more AAS than I have ever done and its your first cycle?
I went from 200 to 220 on 250mgs a week of test ent. I did a ten weeker.
Your gains are a direct result of how you eat. I stayed at 6% on my first run.

I am a minimalist when it comes to AAS. The guys on the board know this. I would just run 250 a week. Run 500 if you must. Better to start low though.

At 18 to 19% body fat I think you could get amazing results from a good bodybuilding diet. PM me if you are interested and I will link you to the proper people who will build you a diet for your body and your goals for free.

Also, you know basic science. You want to try one compound first to see how your body responds to it. Once you know you can add in a second to see the results.

You have the rest of you life to get to your goals. Take it slow and make sure you do it right!

Good luck!

that's exactly what i was going to say...I would listen to him

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

your dose of eq will not be felt, nor will you see results.
the last time I brought up Sust and its dosing, I got ripped a new one for not taking it ed.

 

[Zuperman]

your dose of eq will not be felt, nor will you see results.
the last time I brought up Sust and its dosing, I got ripped a new one for not taking it ed.

See now I'm getting different views. So I'm suppossed to take sust daily? dont go guys think thats two much jabbing?

 

[bluehen]

See now I'm getting different views. So I'm suppossed to take sust daily? dont go guys think thats two much jabbing?

You will get a ton of different opinions on it. Sust was made to be injected less frequently. If your doing it ED why not use prop or suspension? If your doing 2cc's a week you can split it to twice a week.

 

[cswole]

You will get a ton of different opinions on it. Sust was made to be injected less frequently. If your doing it ED why not use prop or suspension? If your doing 2cc's a week you can split it to twice a week.

Sust was also made for HRT, not for packing on weight . Basically sust is made up of two short time release esters and two longer release esters. The shorter ones, the prop especially, needs to be done ED or EoD or they will throw your blood levels into a rollercoaster ride if done less frequently. You will see better gains at ED or EoD than less frequent shots, and you will get less or less intense sides. I speak from experience.

Yes if you are going to shoot this often, it really is better to just do prop or suspension. This is why now I'll only do single ester test, so from now on Prop, cyp or test e for me!

 

[Triple J]

the various answers here could generate alot of confusion but the important point to remember is that more frequent injections will provide steadier blood levels, regardless of using sust, enanthate, or any other ester-based anabolic