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HotDamnItzDavid
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We really need a sticky about hairloss. It seems like this question is being asked every single day. Anyways you can try by getting some Nizoral (shampoo), finasteride (propecia, proscar), Minoxidil+Azleaic Acid, Polysorbate 80. There's a ton of info if you do a search.
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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Bobber said:
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The_Chemist
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Go to see a dermatologist and get a prescription for Dutasteride. Stay on it for at least a year straight, then reavaluate. Dont bother fuckin around with all of that other stuff until you've given dutasteride an honest shot.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
split endz
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Guru speaks the truth... no overnight fix.
duke of earl
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No, finasteride is good, it's just that dutasteride is better
5mg finasteride inhibits Test -> DHT conversion by around 75%
0.5mg dutasteride inhibits Test -> DHT conversion by more than 95%
This is because duasteride inhibits both types of 5AR, whereas finasteride only inhibits one type (albeit the main one). So at any dose, finasteride can only inhibit Test ->DHT conversion by a maximum of around 75% (as opposed to dutasteride achieving an almost complete inhibition of Test -> DHT conversion)
I use dutasteride & it rocks!
(It works well with nizoral shampoo & topical spironolactone cream for the real hair paranoids out there!)
bbkingpinn
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Any sexual sides? Loss of libido? Reduced ejaculate? Breast swelling?duke of earl said:
I have been on 1.25 mg/day of finasteride for about 3 months now and my hair is still falling too fast...
BUT on a good note my body hair growth has slowed down quite a bit
...(though that CERTAINLY doesnt make up for the loss up top 
)
BUT on a good note my body hair growth has slowed down quite a bit
...(though that CERTAINLY doesnt make up for the loss up top )
glennds
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you might want to just face the fact you are prone to hair loss, with or without AAS. it happens. we guys all freak out when if start losing our hair in our 20s but it will become less important as you get older. noone cares if you are a guy. you can always shave your head.
i used to have a beautiful thick head of curly hair and still have a decent amount for a guy my age. i started taking propecia about five years ago and thankfully it seems to have stopped falling out. my hair is thinner on top than when i was 22 but it does not bother me anymore.
i used to have a beautiful thick head of curly hair and still have a decent amount for a guy my age. i started taking propecia about five years ago and thankfully it seems to have stopped falling out. my hair is thinner on top than when i was 22 but it does not bother me anymore.
Kid for a fast fix do this:
STOP STRESSING OUT, it makes things a lot worse.
Ease up a bit bro, get Nizoral 2% and use it 2-3 times a week
Minoxidil 5% with Azelaic acid 5%
Finasteride 1mg daily
Spironolactone 5% cream if you are really that paranoid.
Remember, hairloss isnt that much of a problem while on cycle, but when you get off its a big and i mean big problem. You shouldnt worry too much if you arent pre-disposed to MBP(male baldness pattern) and some of the hair that shed will eventually grow back.
Dont know what gear you were on, but some gear does minimal to none damage to the hairline. Safest are Deca, Eq, Primo and Var.
Harshest are D-bol, Drol, Test, Winny and Fina and i think Halotestin, didnt try it.
Thats the reason im staying from the harshes ones now. I already fucked up but managed to get it under control (somewhat i think) so from now on its deca, eq and var (primo if i got $$$)
All the best bro, dont stress out if on your mothers side males arent bald, chances are you wont go bald either as you wont be genetically prone to it.
STOP STRESSING OUT, it makes things a lot worse.
Ease up a bit bro, get Nizoral 2% and use it 2-3 times a week
Minoxidil 5% with Azelaic acid 5%
Finasteride 1mg daily
Spironolactone 5% cream if you are really that paranoid.
Remember, hairloss isnt that much of a problem while on cycle, but when you get off its a big and i mean big problem. You shouldnt worry too much if you arent pre-disposed to MBP(male baldness pattern) and some of the hair that shed will eventually grow back.
Dont know what gear you were on, but some gear does minimal to none damage to the hairline. Safest are Deca, Eq, Primo and Var.
Harshest are D-bol, Drol, Test, Winny and Fina and i think Halotestin, didnt try it.
Thats the reason im staying from the harshes ones now. I already fucked up but managed to get it under control (somewhat i think) so from now on its deca, eq and var (primo if i got $$$)
All the best bro, dont stress out if on your mothers side males arent bald, chances are you wont go bald either as you wont be genetically prone to it.
Razorguns
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Has anyone TESTED ancillarguys.com finesteride compared to proscar or propecia?? I've never seen liquid finasteride.
Also anyone have studies regarding distuteride? I'd think if it was 20% better-- the guys from merck and propecia would come out with a better product immediately -- no? Why wouldn't they want the extra money in sales with a better product?
btw; I think it takes like 2-3 months for finasteride to really kick in. So hang in there Terminator! and ease off the hard juice if you're too worried.
Also anyone have studies regarding distuteride? I'd think if it was 20% better-- the guys from merck and propecia would come out with a better product immediately -- no? Why wouldn't they want the extra money in sales with a better product?
btw; I think it takes like 2-3 months for finasteride to really kick in. So hang in there Terminator! and ease off the hard juice if you're too worried.
The Terminator said:I have been on 1.25 mg/day of finasteride for about 3 months now and my hair is still falling too fast...
BUT on a good note my body hair growth has slowed down quite a bit
One foot in the grave, indeed.....
You're starting to really scare me, Lil' Termie......
DIV
glennds
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i purchase generic proscar on safemeds.com. it is a site run out of mexico where generic proscar is sold. it is not available in the US yet.
it is dirt cheap but gotta admit not sure if equal in quality to US version. safemeds.com is reliable but slow. order take 3 weeks or so.
it is dirt cheap but gotta admit not sure if equal in quality to US version. safemeds.com is reliable but slow. order take 3 weeks or so.
DIVISION said:One foot in the grave, indeed.....
You're starting to really scare me, Lil' Termie......
DIV
I jump back and forth between having my feet on the moon one moment, and then in the grave the next...
During the holiday season I put both feet in the grave
You'll probably see me on here ALL DAY tomorrow
, since my closest family member didnt even invite me over for dinner
Razorguns
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i get my proscar from canada, http://www.peoplerx.com/. It's real cheap -- lke $50 or something. I do however have a script, so ordering is easy.
duke of earl
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totally agree with this - make a (hairloss) plan & see it through - at least you'll know you're doing everthing you can about it & that itself should make you feel alot better - The most hair I've lost in the last 10 years was when I was really stressed!
I only started dutasteride just before my current cycle, so I'm not sure about libido / ejaculate vol etc....hard to tell - but I did have libido probs with finasteride (& no AS) which I've been on for a good 5 years - I also had reduced ejaculate vol.
My regime (on & off AS) is
0.5 Dutasteride ED
nizoral shampoo EOD
topical spironolactone cream (on potential trouble spots) before bed
(I've also got some minoxidil / azeleic acid mix, but don't wanna use it yet)
This has kept my hairline pretty stable
I had the same problem. I did my first cycle with only Deca 200/week (did gain 8-10 pounds in 11 weeks, so am satisfied). At 10-11 week, hair loss started. I did make the mistake of not using anything for post-cycle crash (it wouldn't have helped with hairloss anyway).
I do have genetic predisposition for male-pattern hair loss (my father and my brother has similar hairloss). It is caused by androgens (if someone gets castrated at age 21, he wouldn't get hairloss inspite of genetic predisposition).
This is from soemone who knows what he is talking about:
I have been using Proscar (finesteride 5mg, Propecia is 1mg) since 4-5 weeks, now it seems the hair loss is slowing down. It specifically works on scalp, prostate and liver androgen receptors. I don't know if it had any effect on muscle receptors (and I have done extensive research). Next time I would start it before I start my cycle.
My concern with Detusteride is that it is not selective. Does it also block muscle androgen receptors too? (You don't want to block muscle DHT receptors).
DON'T waste your money on ANY shampoos. Nizoral is a drug for only fungus or dandruff treatment. It has NOTHING to do with hair growth.
Rogain 5% directly stimulates hair follicle growth. But it is less effective when used topically (it is actually a very powerful medicine for high blood pressure), and only works on vertex (top of head) and not on receding hairlines in the front.
I do have genetic predisposition for male-pattern hair loss (my father and my brother has similar hairloss). It is caused by androgens (if someone gets castrated at age 21, he wouldn't get hairloss inspite of genetic predisposition).
This is from soemone who knows what he is talking about:
I have been using Proscar (finesteride 5mg, Propecia is 1mg) since 4-5 weeks, now it seems the hair loss is slowing down. It specifically works on scalp, prostate and liver androgen receptors. I don't know if it had any effect on muscle receptors (and I have done extensive research). Next time I would start it before I start my cycle.
My concern with Detusteride is that it is not selective. Does it also block muscle androgen receptors too? (You don't want to block muscle DHT receptors).
DON'T waste your money on ANY shampoos. Nizoral is a drug for only fungus or dandruff treatment. It has NOTHING to do with hair growth.
Rogain 5% directly stimulates hair follicle growth. But it is less effective when used topically (it is actually a very powerful medicine for high blood pressure), and only works on vertex (top of head) and not on receding hairlines in the front.
duke of earl
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it does work & this reasoning is bad - propecia was originally intended for prostate enlargement, and minoxidil for angina - they work!
search some info on ketocanazole.....
duke of earl said:
keto DOES help dec. inflamm in scalp.
here is the ultimate hair stack w/ minox, dutas, propecia, azelaic, retin-a, spiro, copper peptides, ALL of which have been proven to help:
Morning:
-revivogen/polysorbate 80 shampoo rotation (copper peptides proven to
increase circulation, possibly hairgrowth and poly 80 decreases
inflammation assoc. w/ MPB)
-Xandrox 5% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar
Afternoon:
-Rogaine extra strength
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar
-Avodart .5 mg
Night:
-shampoo w/ Ketoconazole 2% (only every third day)
-wait until hair dries, then apply Xandrox15 (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-Avodart .5 mg
i've lost 5 or 6 hairs in 8 months on this stack.
j/k
You people think that you know more than what the best of medical science has to offer?
May be you should read my post more carefully. Every single point that I have mentioned has been proven by multiple clinical studies. It is not my reasoning, it is medical science.
Inflammation and loss of circulation has never, ever been shown to be cause of 'MALE PATTERN BALDNESS'. It is caused by our natural androgens. When you take excess androgens, it causes excessive hair loss.
Nor does dandruff. Infections, and some severe circulatory diseases, may cause what is called ALOPECIA AREATA (because it happens in areas affected by disease).
Rogain and Proscar/Propecia are the only known medicines proven clinically effective. If you want to waste your money on health-food store stuff and shampoos, that is your prerogative. There is a guy running half-hour informercials touting his book that claims that MS is caused by dietary additives and easily curable (and many other equally absurd claims). Wow. May be we should just buy his book and save billions of $ spent on MS care every year and save thousands of lives per year. These informercials are not cheap. How many books is he selling? You know what they say about suckers.
Nizoral or ketoconazole is an antifungal medicine used for ring worms, athlete's foot, yeast infection, fungus nail infection, AND IS VERY EXPENSIVE. I wish it worked against hairloss. I have brought it many times from a country that I visit and is much cheaper there.
I am new to AAS, but not to hair loss. I have been losing hair since last 10 years.
This is my last post on this topic.
May be you should read my post more carefully. Every single point that I have mentioned has been proven by multiple clinical studies. It is not my reasoning, it is medical science.
Inflammation and loss of circulation has never, ever been shown to be cause of 'MALE PATTERN BALDNESS'. It is caused by our natural androgens. When you take excess androgens, it causes excessive hair loss.
Nor does dandruff. Infections, and some severe circulatory diseases, may cause what is called ALOPECIA AREATA (because it happens in areas affected by disease).
Rogain and Proscar/Propecia are the only known medicines proven clinically effective. If you want to waste your money on health-food store stuff and shampoos, that is your prerogative. There is a guy running half-hour informercials touting his book that claims that MS is caused by dietary additives and easily curable (and many other equally absurd claims). Wow. May be we should just buy his book and save billions of $ spent on MS care every year and save thousands of lives per year. These informercials are not cheap. How many books is he selling? You know what they say about suckers.
Nizoral or ketoconazole is an antifungal medicine used for ring worms, athlete's foot, yeast infection, fungus nail infection, AND IS VERY EXPENSIVE. I wish it worked against hairloss. I have brought it many times from a country that I visit and is much cheaper there.
I am new to AAS, but not to hair loss. I have been losing hair since last 10 years.
This is my last post on this topic.
The_Chemist
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Bobber said:
No. Finasteride (proscar/propecia) is the only effective drug that has been available to the public, until last year when dutasteride was introduced. Both work via the same mechanism(DHT conversion blocking), however Dutasteride has shown in studies to be slightly more effective. It is not yet available in many countries, so finasteride is probably the best bet for most people.
I currently live in canada, so finasteride at 1.25mg/day + nizorol is all I use. THe only reason i use nizorol is because its the same price as regulart shampoo here in canada.
Hope this helps?
T
The Greatest
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First if you wear spiro during the day you will have zero friends, it smells like shit.
All you need it 15 percent minox with al/acid (put this on at night)
5 percent spiro (put this on at night, 5 mins after minox)
durring the day get some generic 5 percent minox
and always take proscar.
simple and fairly cheap
All you need it 15 percent minox with al/acid (put this on at night)
5 percent spiro (put this on at night, 5 mins after minox)
durring the day get some generic 5 percent minox
and always take proscar.
simple and fairly cheap
I stand corrected.
Nizoral does have anti-androgen effect.
I am a great believer in FDA. FDA only allows a claim if it is proved by clinical studies on 1000-2000 people (small studies may be misleading). Nutritional supplements or cosmetics don't have to prove ANYTHING.
The manufacturer (with 2%, available in Europe) does not claim it to grow hair. The reason most likely is that when used alone, 2% Nizoral does not significantly increase hair growth.
But it may do that job when used in combination with Proscar (additive effect).
Keep in mind that theory doesn't always work in practice. Almost every week you hear about a new miracle drug in the pipelines and you never hear about it again.
I am already taking Proscar so I plan to use Nizoral 2%. Thanks for the info.
I am staying away from Dueterestride because I am concerned that it may also block androgen receptors in the muscle cells. Proscar is selective for scalp, prostate and liver androgen receptors (type I). We yet don't know what type of androgen receptor muscle cells have. I could only find one ongoing study that would be available in about a year.
Biggest bomb was Rogain. Minoxidil orally (probably most powerful high blood pressure medicine) grows hair like crazy all over the body. Most woman can't take it because of facial hair. But when it was used topically, it had only modest effect, and only on top part of head (vertex), and not on the receding hairlines.
By the way, the only claim with Propecia is vertex hair growth. Proscar may be more effective (it is 5 mg vs 1 mg).
My suggestion:
Take Proscar 5 mg in the morning (there is a spike in testosterone secretion in the morning; probably sex would also be better in the morning).
Use Rogain 5% in the morning and in the evening.
Nizoral 2% twice a week.
(This way you can also have a job).
I don't say anything unless I am reasonably certain about it. You called my logic wrong.
By the way, this is my 4th post.
Nizoral does have anti-androgen effect.
I am a great believer in FDA. FDA only allows a claim if it is proved by clinical studies on 1000-2000 people (small studies may be misleading). Nutritional supplements or cosmetics don't have to prove ANYTHING.
The manufacturer (with 2%, available in Europe) does not claim it to grow hair. The reason most likely is that when used alone, 2% Nizoral does not significantly increase hair growth.
But it may do that job when used in combination with Proscar (additive effect).
Keep in mind that theory doesn't always work in practice. Almost every week you hear about a new miracle drug in the pipelines and you never hear about it again.
I am already taking Proscar so I plan to use Nizoral 2%. Thanks for the info.
I am staying away from Dueterestride because I am concerned that it may also block androgen receptors in the muscle cells. Proscar is selective for scalp, prostate and liver androgen receptors (type I). We yet don't know what type of androgen receptor muscle cells have. I could only find one ongoing study that would be available in about a year.
Biggest bomb was Rogain. Minoxidil orally (probably most powerful high blood pressure medicine) grows hair like crazy all over the body. Most woman can't take it because of facial hair. But when it was used topically, it had only modest effect, and only on top part of head (vertex), and not on the receding hairlines.
By the way, the only claim with Propecia is vertex hair growth. Proscar may be more effective (it is 5 mg vs 1 mg).
My suggestion:
Take Proscar 5 mg in the morning (there is a spike in testosterone secretion in the morning; probably sex would also be better in the morning).
Use Rogain 5% in the morning and in the evening.
Nizoral 2% twice a week.
(This way you can also have a job).
I don't say anything unless I am reasonably certain about it. You called my logic wrong.
By the way, this is my 4th post.
duke of earl
New member
Neither finasteride nor dutasteride block any type of androgen receptors
They block the enzyme responsible for conversion of Test to DHT (called 5AR)
There are 2 forms of the 5AR enzyme (type I & type II)
Finasteride blocks one of them (can't remember which - but it's the more common one)
Dutasteride blocks both type I and type II 5AR
DHT is useful in BBing - it has many useful interactions (eg. SHBP interactions), so any inhibition of it's formation can be (slightly) negative - finasteride & dutasteride are just different in how much they inhibit DHT formation - it is possible that the different types of 5AR aren't evenly distributed in the body - which might cause some site specific DHT inhibition (eg in muscles) but I dont think this is the case.
My advice:
a) Get on Finasteride. Get the generic proscar 5mg and split it up into 4 parts. Take that daily on or off cycle. This will lower DHT overall in your system.
b) Get some Nizoral (2% preferred) and use it at least 3 times per week on/off cycle. I try to use it daily when on.
c) Get some Rogaine. This won't do shit to block DHT, but it will create new hairs where you may have lost it.
I've been on the above for about 4 years and I haven't lost a hair. I started shedding like a bitch on my first two cycles because I was in denial about being prone to it.
visit www.hairlosstalk.com or www.regrowth.com if you want to see some real hair nuts.
a) Get on Finasteride. Get the generic proscar 5mg and split it up into 4 parts. Take that daily on or off cycle. This will lower DHT overall in your system.
b) Get some Nizoral (2% preferred) and use it at least 3 times per week on/off cycle. I try to use it daily when on.
c) Get some Rogaine. This won't do shit to block DHT, but it will create new hairs where you may have lost it.
I've been on the above for about 4 years and I haven't lost a hair. I started shedding like a bitch on my first two cycles because I was in denial about being prone to it.
visit www.hairlosstalk.com or www.regrowth.com if you want to see some real hair nuts.
How many of you guys have had success with hair coming back after a cycle, on its own? There is no one with MPB in my family at all....never had problems with hairloss on a cycle before, but over the past year I used some heavy gear, really stupid on my part, and didnt really plan the way I should have....to make a long story short, about a month after my cycle of 800mgs a week of Test E and 600mgs of EQ I really noticed my hair to be thinning in the front....again, no one in my family has had a problem with MPB, its gotta be from the juice. SO im just wondering what the chances are that I will have regrowth after being off for a while, considering this does not run in my family....
anyway, I learned a lesson the hard way this time......
anyway, I learned a lesson the hard way this time......
riverrock
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This coming June I am going to do what I have been planning for a year and a half - go in and get 2000 Hair Transplants (2000 Individual hair grafts, not 2000 hair transplants in total - lol!!). Not only that, but I am going to carry out my promise to some internet friends I made on the board by putting "Before" and "After" photographs up on this forum.
After spending that amount of money, the last thing I want to do is ruin it, so Dutasteride...get ready to welcome yourself into my home!
After spending that amount of money, the last thing I want to do is ruin it, so Dutasteride...get ready to welcome yourself into my home!
You are doing the right thing.
Probably you are getting micro transplants, with 1-3 hair follicles in each plug.
I would suggest that you insist on one thing: Ask your doctor to take donor follicles from two different locations, and not one.
This is the best treatment for male pattern hair loss.
How much are you paying for 2000 plugs?
Probably you are getting micro transplants, with 1-3 hair follicles in each plug.
I would suggest that you insist on one thing: Ask your doctor to take donor follicles from two different locations, and not one.
This is the best treatment for male pattern hair loss.
How much are you paying for 2000 plugs?
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