**JUICE E2 STYLE OR TAKE IT EASY??**2thick,lawnsaver and everyone else come.....

[1Mistake]

I cringe when I see some of the doseages on this site!!! If you need 2,000mgs of test and 10d-bol a day,then you need a break or your genetics really suck!!! People forget the faster it goes on, the faster it comes off!!!Too many people care about numbers and not quality-not to mention health issues.Nosebleeds,high blood pressure,crazy hair loss is your body telling you something is wrong.I think 500mg test,400mg EQ,3-400mg primobolan depot is great for anyone!!
My .02

J

 

[The Ranger]

This is a no win thread, unless you know every aspect of your own body. At Insane dosages without a good endocrinologist doing screening/blood work...it's pretty much AS sucide....

I personally love the advent of Liquidex....it's a great way to slowly up a few things in a given cycle to see where you lie with certain AS compounds...

Knowledge is the key...Knowing everything about each AS you plan on using, and the potential sides associated with them...

No cycle, without reguards to the dosage will make you grow...unless diet, training, and rest are clicking....

You have to remember...some people on here are very big, numerous cycles, and high dosages make them grow...others are smaller, lean body frame, and are happy with their given growth and dosages...know your body, set reachable and realistic goals...adjust cycles and dosages to achieve them....Always be safe, dying with no kidneys, big tit's, and a shitty liver would fucking suck.....Everyone has alot of years to look forward to, be safe...stay in the game....

Ranger

 

[TxLonghorn]

dying with no kidneys, big tit's, and a shitty liver would fucking suck.....Ranger

Well, sure, when you put it that way...

 

[The Ranger]

Heh heh heh....What I see alot of is " BULKING " to alot it simply means eat like a fucking pig, shitty food, get fat...then say you're huge....Then soon as the " BULKING " cycle is over...it's " CUTTING " time....and then it's starve yourself, and cardio your ass off...good-bye gains....

Right way to do things, and a wrong way to do things..

Ranger's Word's.....Eat for growth...Train for mass....

Ranger

 

[JuanDeLaCruz]

E2 style all the way baby! All or nothing is the way to go! If 250mg was so great we'd all be as big as Nasser el Sombaty. More juice = more muscle, but only if everthing else is perfect Training/Diet.

 

[Growing Pains]

LCButler - wrong endoscreen

I looked at the site you posted a link to. That is not the one. Ulter and E2 know the link to the one I mention. The one you posted a link to does not look too bad, but is not as good as the Endoscreen I mention. For example, the one you posted a link to does not perform a test for DHT or estrone. They do testo, progest, estrogen and DHEA sulfate. That all is fine. But the Endoscreen E2 and Ulter recommend is the only one that can do DHT, I think. DHT is important for protecting your prostate and hairline.

The one you posted a link to looks okay, but not really good. I want at least really good. Endoscreen is really good, but not as great as a personal visit to an endocrinologist whow has done cycles themselves or competed at a professional level in BB. But that costs big money and is hard to find.

Contact Ulter or E2 they can tell you where to get the Endoscreen I mention done. I think the link is also at Anabolicfitness

 

[Growing Pains]

I went and looked some more at the endoscreen link LCButler posted a link to. Not too bad, depending on their lab standards. The endoscreen used at Anabolicfitness has some pretty impressive credentials. As well they include the DHT and androstenedione as a standard part of their basic hormone panel. I believe I am correct in saying they are the only ones who can do DHT.

The Endoscreen I mention also can do all of the various estrogens : estriol, estrone and not just estradiol. It looks like the one mentioned by LCButler just does estradiol. This can be important because apparently men convert more testo to estrone then estradiol - so just testing estradiol can give a false impression.

The Endoscreen I mention that is used at AF is not as good as getting blood work done a MD that is board certified and who has done several cycles and was a professional BB, but it is also no where near as expensive and hard to come by. My MD I started with was board certified and a former pro BB. How often can you find that? But it is still a really good option. And a ton more affordable then standard blood tests - having a total and free testo alone costs me almost $180 at SMith Kline Beecham (now a part of Quest diagnostics). Add in some DHT and a few others and a doctors visit and you have paid for a trip to France pretty quickly -my insurance paid for none of that. It all came out of pocket.

So I am exited about the Endoscreen at AF. Its so much cheaper, readily available, doea a large variety of tests, and is private.

Some may argue that salivary testing is not accurate - but last year I did compare my own and one other persons salivary IGF-1 (for testing HGH) and compared it to blood tests (I collected the salivary test while waiting to give the blood) - and they were essentially identical. I know that 2 people is not a really large sample, but the salivary test was the same for both of us as the blood test.

Contact E2 and Ulter they can set you up with the best salivary testing available.

 

[BigPapaPump]

Lot's of good input to this thread.

You need to pick what is right for you, for your health and the goals you seek. Its been said enough but everyone is different.

2thins cycles would never work for me and I think E2 uses too many things at once.

Bottom line, if you're a virgin, you will grow on minor doses of just about anything. The side's do not always go up in direct relation to the dose, ie...for most people 750 mg of test will yeild no worse sides than 250 but the effect of growth will be substantial.

I can not in good faith advocate that a newbie jump right into a heavy cycle but I would recommend that you have some courage and take enough of the right gear to get max benefits.

I see no potentential for some of the cycles I see using 100 to 200 mg of deca a week. Whats the point ? That's like only eating half a steak because you're worried you might get bloated.

BPP

 

[Ulter]

BigPappaPump it sure is good to see your name around again. How's that pec?

For those looking for ENDO-SCREEN we have made arrangements to carry their "lab test for gearheads" at
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