Juice alternatives....exploration....

[Baby Gorilla]

I've pretty much decided to get off juice for a while as I'm taking a significant amount and getting limited results in spite of good diet and hard training.

However, I have two general options if I want to see better results in a cycle.

1. Take a lot more gear (more expensive and higher health risks).
2. Take different gear that gets better results (better path but uncharted waters for me).

In my last cycle, I took 30mg/day of Dianabol and 600mg/week or Deca (200mg 3x a week). Total of 810mg/week.

I've used Sustonon 250. My body rejects it, so that's not an option.

I don't want to exceed the 1,000mg/week limit. I already get kidney pains after week #4 at current Dianabol levels.

Are there more effective items out there that would give better results at lower doses or are my general options focused on taking a lot more than 1,000mg/week.

The problem with experimenting is that you have no idea what WILL work. However, I'm curious what my options are. Are there more effective items that SHOULD work with most anyone? A friend told me the drawback of Sustonon is that it works for some but not others.

If you don't want to reply here, just PM me.

 

[genarr3]

"I've used Sustonon 250. My body rejects it, so that's not an option." - Exactly how is your body rejecting Testosterone?

 

[mvmaxx]

"I've used Sustonon 250. My body rejects it, so that's not an option." - Exactly how is your body rejecting Testosterone?

Maybe he's female.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Not all juice is created equal....

"I've used Sustonon 250. My body rejects it, so that's not an option." - Exactly how is your body rejecting Testosterone?

I'm no expert, but as my friend explained it, not all steroids work for all people. Sustonon does not work for everyone. It appeared my body reacted to it in a way where it would not accept it. Don't ask me to explain how that works. All I know is that a week after I stopped using it, I started getting results off the other stuff I was taking.

 

[sigweed]

im thinking of trying sust, so please explain this to me. Are you saying that you didnt grow after the first week of sust, so therefore your body must reject it? Or are you blow testosterone filled loads uncontrollably?
hah seriously though, please elaborate. I dont need scientific evidence, just personal explanation would be great.
and yes its true, different gear has different reactions on different people.

 

[argent]

Sostenon is testosterone. You are a man; you have testosterone in your body naturally. If you rejected sost., then you would reject your natural test, making you a panzy boy.

 

[Dirty Boy]

Sostenon is testosterone. You are a man; you have testosterone in your body naturally. If you rejected sost., then you would reject your natural test, making you a panzy boy.

haha

 

[b18cvx]

you dont need more gear, my 1st cycle i kept about 8 lbs from sust500 week/ ip winny 50mg last 3 weeks with a great eating/training regimen. so my 2nd cycle i thought i needed more gear so i doubled the test, threw in some dbol/eq and barely grew at all, chiseled my shape a bit but gained about 2 lbs. in the middle of it i decided to eat about 1000 extra cals a day and i started growing immediately but then got sick and fucked up the end of the cycle....so my point being...if your a hard gainer like me,,,you gos to eat eat eat...you prolly think your eating alot, but your prolly not. if you eat 4500 cals a day, you will grow off 250wk of test

 

[ImSoBig]

some people dont react well to sust, but react good to enat or cyp, sus is the one roid i see that works bad for some and works great for others, its all about the quality

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Thank you....that deserves karma....

some people dont react well to sust, but react good to enat or cyp, sus is the one roid i see that works bad for some and works great for others, its all about the quality

Juice isn't test. It's chemically-engineered test. All I know is that some items work for most everyone (Dianabol and Deca) and others work even better, but not for everyone (Sustonon).

If I'm correct, Sustonon is a 4 steroid stack combined into one shot. It's very potent and effective--if it works.

I was doing 2 Sustonon 250's a week. My prior cycle was a small pyramid of 5mg Dianabol up to 15 then down to 5 over eight weeks. I made minor mass gains, but the strength improvements were significant--even in the first week. When I did the Sustonon, I did a flat 15mg/day of Dianabol. No stength gains, no mass change, NOTHING.

After the second week, I told my friend about my situation, he told me to cut out the Sustonon right away. He'd seen it happen before where someone takes it and it not only does nothing for them, but it somehow block the absorbtion of other steroids. It's like haveing an allergy to it (I guess). He couldn't explain it either, but he knew that was a risk with Sustonon--that it might just not work for YOU even though eveyone else you know gets great results. Because it gives him great results, he only does a max of 15mg Dianabol/day and 2 Sustonon 250s a week. I saw a pic of him before he had a car accident that set him back a lot in training--he was a monster at 230-240 (5' 5" if you're wondering about height).

So, it appears for some reason by body does not react positively to Sustonon--eliminating it as an option.

OKAY, GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC....

I do get good results off Dianabol and Deca. The cost is getting high (easy $100/wk for gear), and my dosage is getting high (810mg/week). My options are...

1. To load up a lot more on Dianabol (Deca is at the recommended max of 600mg/week)--which means a lot more side effects (kidney pain I already get after 4th week at current levels) and a lot more money for gear (another problem).

2. To find alternative gear which at lower doses give a much better result (Sustonon might be such an item if I didn't already know my body won't accept it) so I need less but get more results.

I made an issue of the Sustonon because other gear out there likely is the same. There are items that work for most eveyone and others that give great results but have a fair number of people it doesn't work for or has nasty side effects that make use undesirable.

I'm just looking for options. I'm giving up gear for a while mostly due to cost. My gains are real, but slow. To take more than I'm on now with modest gains is not giving me enough benefit to justify the cost. Perhaps there's other stuff that's much more effective than Dianabol and Deca that work for most everyone I've not looked into.