Judo

[Big Rick Rock]

And (following up myself here...) Judo isn't really about taking on another style; it really is a defanged "sport" version of jiu-jitsu. You're supposed to "play" with other judoka, not people who are trying to strike you. That doesn't make it worthless; I was a clumsy kid until the sensei explained about balance, and all of a sudden I stopped falling down so much in real life.

If someone was trying to hurt me and I wasn't packing then I'd want to be a kickboxer.

jiu-jitsu is Judo's daddy... literaly.
Judo was created as a "safe" way to practice some of the jiu-jitsu moves. In time it has developed into it's own sport, but at the beggining it was just "diet jiu-jitsu".

 

[digger]

Of course. O-Sensei Kano realized that he would quickly run out of people to practice jiu-jutsu with... and philosophically, there was much to be said for turning the 'engineering' (-jutsu) into a 'science' (-do), by developing a theory and code of honor to back it up.

There is also an 'aiki-jutsu', which as far as I can tell is an attempt to "take the mumbo-jumbo out of aikido." I suspect this may be an American invention, but it's still around, thirty years after I first heard of it.

 

[AlwaysOn]

you are not taking into account how TKD matches are scored. A TKDer must get hits for points, simple as that. Its a game. They simply aren't trained to fight.

any decent judoka, regardless of belt, could take out any TKDer I think.

judo trained me to wrestle on the ground, simple as that. Armlocks, chokes, passing the guard...

 

[digger]

you are not taking into account how TKD matches are scored. A TKDer must get hits for points, simple as that. Its a game

any decent judoka, regardless of belt, could take out any TKDer I think.

Judo is a sport, too. Remember, judo sparring is called "randori," and that means "play."

Judo matches start with the judokas holding each other by the lapel and sleeve. Let's see how much I can remember without looking... One point for a clean throw, half a point for... oh, damn, it's been 'way too long. Was it two points for a tap-out and three points to a match?

Anyway, how do you propose to start this contest? If you equate a one point TKD kick to a one point throw, then I'd say they have to start a leg-length apart, which means the judoka has to evade a kick or a punch before he can even engage. The TKD guy has a decent chance to score first.

I once had much fun watching a couple of women give a demo (alluded to earlier in this forum) -- one aikidoist in full hakama, one Okinawan karate stylist. They kept it up for quite a while and it was fascinating to watch, but it didn't answer your question. It was a demo, not a match, and not refereed. The karateka also had a jiu-jitsu background, so she didn't make any obvious mistakes. (She was perhaps a half inch taller than I am and harder than freaking nails... not a "pretty" woman, but with a body to die for. Sigh....)

It's apples and oranges, my friend, and I suspect that if Tom beats Dick and Dick beats Harry, Harry won't beat Tom. Not even if Harry switches from TKD to BJJ.

 

[AlwaysOn]

what I meant before is that, the TKDer is trained to simply kick and avoid being kicked. Atleast thats how they naturally react on the competition floor. A judoka is trained in everything else and does not have a set pattern of reacting. We are diverse.

I'm not talking about points. I'm talking all out street fight here.

although, I guess a really good kicker could just cripple you with pain with a good blow