Judo

[Deus Ex Machina]

we got any Judo peeps in here? I'm only a green belt and working hard on my tachiwaza.... for some reason shimewaza and osaewaza come naturally to me, and are 'easy' for me. tachiwaza is hard as hell, mainly because it requires more skill, timing, and grace

anyways, just wanna know who else does judo? what rank is your instructor?

mine is 6th dan...

also, a long while ago, I had the honor to meet Keiko Fukada, 9th dan holder (i think she's like 90 yrs old right now). the highest ranked woman in judo.

 

[danielson]

Ive learnt a little from judo in the MMA style lessons we have

all i've done is 2 throws, floor grappling and a Gi choke

the choke is my fav if i had more time i;d love to learn it full time, my grappling is limited to hook throws and locking from kungfu/kali....is like to be able to be a bit more brutish...i always wanted to wrestle

 

[digger]

Started with a class in college -- judo was the only martial art they offered. The instructor was Korean, and one of the other students cautioned me not to refer to him as Japanese.

Joined the Judo Club when I transferred to another school, but it was just three or four people who had to be a "club" to get use of the mat area in the gym. Had to tape the occasional busted toe but didn't get too banged up until one rascal showed up from another school looking to scope out the judo TEAM. "Herro, my name Wallace! You wanna randori wit' me?" He was big on O soto gari -- dumped me on my left hip from waist height about six times and my falling technique was not nearly up to it. Went back to the dorm and laid down, my hip went into a spasm and when I stood up I passed out. That led to my first and so far only ambulance ride.

A Tae Kwon Do club started up soon after that, and I switched.

 

[ippon]

deus, I play. I'm more in to the competitive aspect of it but I still appreciate the art of it all. As for instructors, I've trained under a few.. even had some randori with several national-caliber competitors. Talk about an ass-whooping.. these guys are athletic machines.

 

[ippon]

If some more judo players do chime in here, how about we exchange a few nutrition/training/supplement/drug tips? It would be interesting. Well I guess the diet aspect is what I'm most interested in.. I suspect most have similar training/supplement/drugs. For example I typically keep protein intake high with moderate fat and a carb intake that fluctuates greatly depending on what all I'm doing that day (all my carbs are consumed around workouts, sessions in the dojo, and my endurance work). I love dextrose.. I get it and all my protein from proteinfactory.com. Good shit, takes forever to get here though.

 

[muscledog95]

judo here......well a judo/wrestling hybrid type

 

[Anacsimandros]

i practise Judo i still compete in national and EU . this sport is my love...

 

[super_rice]

been in judo for only a few months. i'm one of those quick little guys, so the footsweeps (uh, ouchi gari, hiza guruma, di ashiharai, etc) work real well for me. apparently shoulder throws should work well for me, but i can't excute quickly enough to make use of my apparent lower center of gravity.

throws, some of them though they are incredibly graceful, i find myself just going for a quick osotogari (clean or not) then taking it to the ground. grappling is so much more interesting imo

yeah so my tachiwaza is shit too

 

[Judo Tom]

Nice this thread is awesome I had no idea there were so many people into Judo on this site.

I train in NJ and have been competing for a while now. I have also trained a few places in PA.

I mainly train just for the sport aspect of it even though i think the self defense aspects are very very good (just not the best). My best throws are uranage, te guruma,seonage, ko uchi, and ko soto gari.

Nutrtion/supps: just started taking a peptide bonded glutamine i will let you know if i think it works but after only a few days i think it might help with recovery.

i take large amounts of whey after the workouts.. i get like 40 grams right in the locker room then another 40-60 about an hour later which is either right after a meal or while im cooking one and then another 40-60 grams before bed. I know its overkill but it really helps me get ready for the next day which is normally a weight room day or another judo day. Just started taking ALCAR so far i really really like that.. gives me like a long lasting smooth energy.. sorry best way i can describe

ill stop now lets keep this thread going

 

[ippon]

judo tom: Keep us posted on how the ALCar works out for you. I've been thinking about giving it a shot, heard a lot of good things. What dosage do you take, and what benefits have you noticed? I've also heard some good things about neurogenex for performance enhancement -- increased visual acuity, reflexes, etc. That would definitely be great if it works.. I think I'll give it a try along w/ 3g ALCar/day and 10 extra mg of vinpocetine per day.. should help to enhance the effects.

super rice: If you have a low center of gravity, don't rely on standing shoulder throws, get someone to teach you a dropping knee seonage or similar variation. Shorter guys can make some brutal throws with this. I have a low center of gravity (5' 7) and this is by far my most scoring throw. It might be awkward at first but you'll get the hang of it.. Learn to execute it from both the ippon and marote grips and you'll love it.

anacsimandros: I live in the states but I follow the EU very closely.. I was looking at the Prague results the other day. Kovacs is the man. I know there was a big tournament in Poland a few days ago too but I haven't read up on that yet.

 

[Judo Tom]

Ippon: No problem. So far I love it. It may sound dumb but its only been a week and i think i can notice a slight decrease in bf %.. i know i know.. but i know my body and know my bf% and my abs/oblique lines are looking more and more etched by the day with deeper and deeper groves coming through.. the lines along my shoulders/tris are becoming more noticable with bigger peaks and valleys everywhere.. so i really think it is doing something fat wise. Energy wise the first day i took it my class seemed sooooo much easier.. i just never got really tired.. i fatiqued a bit and my muscles tensed up and fatigued but i never lost it compeletely or needed a break from randori which i normally do after about 4-5 matches..
and my quality of sleep has dramatically improved as well 6 hrs of sleep (my usual) feels like 8+ easy
memory is improved which actually does help the judo a little bit its easier for me to recall what mistakes i made last week during practice or what throws someone tried against me last time we did randori..


I am thinking of adding another nootropic in there but im not sure and they are all pretty expensive from what i know.

Ill post in here again in a few days just about the alcar to let you guys know but so far i give it a big thumbs up..

i got it from www.teamliferesearch.com which is truly a great place if you havent used them yet. plus they help sponsor this site

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

my nutrution: just protein

i pretty much eat everything i can -- for some reason i can go without food for a whole day, but still have all the energy for a long lasting grappling match on the mat. probably a high glycogen storage or something


i like judo a lot, but i think i am starting to lean more towards grappling with some MMA style skills... basically combat defense (takedowns with brutal striking)

i tried grappling with my instructor, and he wasted me... he didn't use any energy at all, and made me lose all mine trying to control his 230+ pounds of weight. i laughed the whole time, which made me even more frustrated.

 

[AlwaysOn]

I need a dojo in PA

i've trained under the best instructor in the world (a world-famous ninth degree, a true celebrity), so I need the best!

PM me with your suggestions

 

[AlwaysOn]

Started with a class in college -- judo was the only martial art they offered.

where at?

i'm not so cool on TKD, it seems that any judoka can take out a TKDer easy

am i wrong?

 

[jubei]

^^yes you are wrong. I did go-ju kai karate, and kicked the shit out of 2 judo practicioners. 1 was black belt and competed, the other was green belt. It depends on the person as well as the art.

BTW i'm not trash talking about judo, actually I'm looking for a good judo club to join right now as I just moved. Ask judo tom...lol Hey bro, find me a good club in edmonton. Hahaha.

 

[AlwaysOn]

if you fought the guys I know...

well....




I thought its been proven that the hard hitting arts aren't as good as the grappling arts

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Judo vs. Greco Roman wrestling. Now there is a match... Throw for throw which do you guys think gets the upper hand?

 

[Mr.HeavyDuty]

being a judo player(left before i got my brown) and a wrestler(collegiate) as well as a jiu-jitsu(purple) guy, i would put my money on greco for this question.

 

[digger]

where at?

Michigan State... it was thirty-five years ago, so I would expect things have changed a bit.

i'm not so cool on TKD, it seems that any judoka can take out a TKDer easy

am i wrong?

Talk about an open-ended question.... In the dojo? Mats or no mats? Green belt vs. green or black vs. black? ANY judoka? How about green vs. black, then?

Are you imagining the TKD guy taking his shot and the judoka slipping it, and then turning the guy inside out? Could happen. Could go the other way, too -- judoka goes for the arm, mistimes it, goes for the sweep but the TKD guy's stance is too stable, or the lead leg isn't there any more -- and all of a sudden the judoka is out of tricks and taking hits. (I don't recall the throw to use on someone who has his foot buried eight inches into my belly, do you?)

The TKD guy had better not be planning to just stand there while the judoka latches on to his gi. In any style, you have different ways to control the space. If the TKD guy knows how to maintain separation the judoka is going to have some bruises before he closes in and (maybe) takes over.

Any style (except that Israeli krag mata stuff, maybe?) is going to have the yellow belt phase where you're unlearning bad habits and feeling really naked. Gotta get past that before things get interesting.

 

[digger]

And (following up myself here...) Judo isn't really about taking on another style; it really is a defanged "sport" version of jiu-jitsu. You're supposed to "play" with other judoka, not people who are trying to strike you. That doesn't make it worthless; I was a clumsy kid until the sensei explained about balance, and all of a sudden I stopped falling down so much in real life.

If someone was trying to hurt me and I wasn't packing then I'd want to be a kickboxer.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

And (following up myself here...) Judo isn't really about taking on another style; it really is a defanged "sport" version of jiu-jitsu. You're supposed to "play" with other judoka, not people who are trying to strike you. That doesn't make it worthless; I was a clumsy kid until the sensei explained about balance, and all of a sudden I stopped falling down so much in real life.

If someone was trying to hurt me and I wasn't packing then I'd want to be a kickboxer.

jiu-jitsu is Judo's daddy... literaly.
Judo was created as a "safe" way to practice some of the jiu-jitsu moves. In time it has developed into it's own sport, but at the beggining it was just "diet jiu-jitsu".

 

[digger]

Of course. O-Sensei Kano realized that he would quickly run out of people to practice jiu-jutsu with... and philosophically, there was much to be said for turning the 'engineering' (-jutsu) into a 'science' (-do), by developing a theory and code of honor to back it up.

There is also an 'aiki-jutsu', which as far as I can tell is an attempt to "take the mumbo-jumbo out of aikido." I suspect this may be an American invention, but it's still around, thirty years after I first heard of it.

 

[AlwaysOn]

you are not taking into account how TKD matches are scored. A TKDer must get hits for points, simple as that. Its a game. They simply aren't trained to fight.

any decent judoka, regardless of belt, could take out any TKDer I think.

judo trained me to wrestle on the ground, simple as that. Armlocks, chokes, passing the guard...

 

[digger]

you are not taking into account how TKD matches are scored. A TKDer must get hits for points, simple as that. Its a game

any decent judoka, regardless of belt, could take out any TKDer I think.

Judo is a sport, too. Remember, judo sparring is called "randori," and that means "play."

Judo matches start with the judokas holding each other by the lapel and sleeve. Let's see how much I can remember without looking... One point for a clean throw, half a point for... oh, damn, it's been 'way too long. Was it two points for a tap-out and three points to a match?

Anyway, how do you propose to start this contest? If you equate a one point TKD kick to a one point throw, then I'd say they have to start a leg-length apart, which means the judoka has to evade a kick or a punch before he can even engage. The TKD guy has a decent chance to score first.

I once had much fun watching a couple of women give a demo (alluded to earlier in this forum) -- one aikidoist in full hakama, one Okinawan karate stylist. They kept it up for quite a while and it was fascinating to watch, but it didn't answer your question. It was a demo, not a match, and not refereed. The karateka also had a jiu-jitsu background, so she didn't make any obvious mistakes. (She was perhaps a half inch taller than I am and harder than freaking nails... not a "pretty" woman, but with a body to die for. Sigh....)

It's apples and oranges, my friend, and I suspect that if Tom beats Dick and Dick beats Harry, Harry won't beat Tom. Not even if Harry switches from TKD to BJJ.

 

[AlwaysOn]

what I meant before is that, the TKDer is trained to simply kick and avoid being kicked. Atleast thats how they naturally react on the competition floor. A judoka is trained in everything else and does not have a set pattern of reacting. We are diverse.

I'm not talking about points. I'm talking all out street fight here.

although, I guess a really good kicker could just cripple you with pain with a good blow