Jailbait women are the best looking.

[Robert Jan]

That's not the point. My point is that young women fully had the capabilities to be MOTHERS, and raise families. Now today they're not capable to even have sex without the childbirth?

How did they all the sudden become incapable?

they've been raised with different priorities. they also didn't help around raising other young kids in the family

 

[Becoming]

Pigeon,

Yeah and for thousands of years anyone stronger than you could kill you, steal your family, abuse your children, and then sell them off into slavery. Those were the good old days.

I'm down for that - I think Bo-den would be too...

 

[jerseyart]

It is the point Pigeon.

That something can be done does not mean it should be done. If you want a basic human "survival of the fittest" type of an existence to base your ideal society upon, then recognize what else is involved.

By biology humans also mate by rape. That was considered "natural" for thousands of years as well. Should your wife or daughter be allowed to be assaulted whenever she walks down the street?

And if you respond with consent, then we are back to square one. When can a person reasonably be assumed to be capable of providing informed and responsible consent. Hence the laws. That's why it is called statutory rape.

For thousands of years it was necessary to have kids at a younger age. It was not ideal, it was a byproduct of the fact that feeding daughters was an onerous burden, and the average lifespan was in the 20's

 

[jerseyart]

I'm down for that - I think Bo-den would be too...

LOLman. No offense, but I doubt you know what it means. Lifting some weights in a competiton wouldnt mean shit. Genuinely bad people would eat you alive.

Maybe Boden could

 

[GoldenDelicious]

You are addressing the limitations of any law intended to govern the conduct of 300 million individuals. It is inconceivable that every given contingency can be taken into account, and no law is perfect. In most cases the we rely on judges,juries, and DA's to take the individual circumstances into account, and meet out justice accordingly. It isn't always perfect, but no one has come up with a better way.

yes i know. but keeping in mind that the whole issue is so grey in the context of the significance of age differences on the mental health of the young person, i dont think that coming up with a system whereby people end up with criminal records based on arbitrary numbers is ok

And I think you have it backwards. It isn't that the law creates the impression, but rather that the law reflects the values of the society as a whole. I suggest your viewpoint on this issue would be in a distinct minority, and will likely change if and when you have children of your own (if you already do not).

dont really agree with you there. minority groups often lobby to make/amend laws, and in the case of this issue i think that religeous minorities would prop up the age of consent. then as soon as youre with someone under the age of consent, whatever their mental age, wow taboo.

WTF is sexy about a child is beyond me. I can't even comrehend the motivation that would cause one to pursue such an action regardless of the law. How can a kid provide anything above a peice of flesh, and an underdeveloped one at that. WTF, it isn't like grown women are hoarding it from guys

there it is again. the implication that underage = child.

i ahve seen a couple of 17 year olds when in my twenties, and they were not children. the relationships were perfectly one dimensional (sex only, no exclusivity, getting with other people is OK but you have to let the other person know) and i am on great terms with these people even now. i wouldnt say there was any negativity at all. we had all recently broken up, we were all feeling vulnerable and generally shitty, and we all liked sex. thats all there was to it. it was a "what are you doing tonight? wanna go for a ride?" sort of thing. minimal convo, minimum thought, and it was great

anyway i think we both agree on this issue, but its a little ahrd expressing yourself on the net. i type slower than i think, and i get annoyed

cheers

 

[Becoming]

LOLman. No offense, but I doubt you know what it means. Lifting some weights in a competiton wouldnt mean shit. Genuinely bad people would eat you alive.

Yes but we would all be shaped by these pressures from birth...

And I don't make it a habit of judging books by their cover.

 

[jerseyart]

Yes but we would all be shaped by these pressures from birth...

And I don't make it a habit of judging books by their cover.

Bro listen. I regretted that as soon as I wrote it, because I knew you might take it as a knock.

Who the fuck would want to be that guy? It's not a question of strong or macho, it's a matter of having the mentality of what any reasonable person would consider a psychopath.

Would you want to be a guy that rapes a 12 year old girl cause you are so fucking twisted inside that you honestly can't think or appreciate anything beyond yourself. Would you want to be a guy that cracks someone elses skull open with a pipe from behind because he said something stupid, or threatened your livelihood in some way, or simply had a jacket you wanted?

I worked like a mother fucker to get out of there. Any sane person does. People watch too many freaking movies

 

[Robert Jan]

They say you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but you see i dont have time to read every book in the library.

 

[Becoming]

Who the fuck would want to be that guy? It's not a question of strong or macho, it's a matter of having the mentality of what any reasonable person would consider a psychopath.

Would you want to be a guy that rapes a 12 year old girl cause you are so fucking twisted inside that you honestly can't think or appreciate anything beyond yourself. Would you want to be a guy that cracks someone elses skull open with a pipe from behind because he said something stupid, or threatened your livelihood in some way, or simply had a jacket you wanted?

I worked like a mother fucker to get out of there. Any sane person does.

I could have easily went the other way, but it is an ugly place to be, i totally agree...

so what is the difference between a 12 year old and a 14 year old...?


how bout 14 and 15, or 15 and 16...?

I was making a point for the peeps that say it is all good...

Young girls are not the only people that can be taken advantage of...

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

It is the point Pigeon.

That something can be done does not mean it should be done. If you want a basic human "survival of the fittest" type of an existence to base your ideal society upon, then recognize what else is involved.

By biology humans also mate by rape. That was considered "natural" for thousands of years as well. Should your wife or daughter be allowed to be assaulted whenever she walks down the street?

And if you respond with consent, then we are back to square one. When can a person reasonably be assumed to be capable of providing informed and responsible consent. Hence the laws. That's why it is called statutory rape.

For thousands of years it was necessary to have kids at a younger age. It was not ideal, it was a byproduct of the fact that feeding daughters was an onerous burden, and the average lifespan was in the 20's

They're apples and oranges my friend. I never said anything about returning to the state of nature. Even the civilized world a few hundred years ago had no shortage of young mothers. I'm not advocating lawlessness and unrestrained self interest. All I'm doing is asserting that without the learned immaturity imposed on young females (and males) by society, they would be fully capable of dealing with the consequences of sex.

Unfortunately I know a few unwed teen moms who can't raise their kid(s) for shit. These are people I grew up with, and I know that their own parents never gave them a lick of responsibility when they were young. I also know unwed teenage mothers who happen to be great parents because their own parents forced them to learn independence and responsibility from a young age onward.

As long as chilren are regarded as helpless children, they will be helpless. I'm also not saying that everyone should be having kids at age 14. Modern society has given us a lot of benefits that allow us to put it off, but this is no reason to say that NOBODY should be having kids or even protected sex at a young age.


I'm not advocating any sort of structural reform to make it legal for old men to "bang" young teenagers. I'm just commenting on how society is imposing artificial incapabilities on more and more people.