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i think it's starting to get hot in here.ALRIGHT GIRLS!!!! EVE -- PHEM... im playin girls... im also LMAO right now... i love the little puking face.. ahhh.. nothing beats that one!!! LOL.. STAR.. AMEN SISTER!! eeeehhhhwwwweeee... i didnt know babydoc was a male?!?!?!!? geez... its always worse when it comes from one of THEM, lol.. i know
just let it roll girl.. its not worth the stress. u know whats goign on w/ u and thats all that matters. someone will always have an opinion but thats exactly what it is...a simple opinion.ya know whats ironic though.. my first gyno visit was w/ a woman and it was an absolute nightmare. i wound up rushed to the hospital not even one hour after i left her office!!! she was rude.. and just didnt give a shit about any of my questions or my body. my male gyno. is the best!!! he is such a sweetheart... i think im in LUV 
. lol... ok ladies... take care of urselves...HAVE FUN and remember be safe... dont worry about all this IUD shit... just use saran wrap .. ok that was joke.. i would hate to be responsible for some dumb ass taking that literally. -- until next time-- KBgrl
just let it roll girl.. its not worth the stress. u know whats goign on w/ u and thats all that matters. someone will always have an opinion but thats exactly what it is...a simple opinion.ya know whats ironic though.. my first gyno visit was w/ a woman and it was an absolute nightmare. i wound up rushed to the hospital not even one hour after i left her office!!! she was rude.. and just didnt give a shit about any of my questions or my body. my male gyno. is the best!!! he is such a sweetheart... i think im in LUV . lol... ok ladies... take care of urselves...HAVE FUN and remember be safe... dont worry about all this IUD shit... just use saran wrap .. ok that was joke.. i would hate to be responsible for some dumb ass taking that literally. -- until next time-- KBgrl
thebabydoc
New member
KBGirl:
Thanks... I think
Once again, Star... those are your personal opinions and experiences and yes,
unfortunately for the other women here, Eve included, you DO represent a sampling error.
Since I cut and pasted my last post, I wasn't trying to restate my position to challenge you... here's another cut and paste just for you Star...
"As for Star, I'm sorry that you do not have access to any "reputable" doctors in Texas.
It sounds like your gynecological experiences have been less than satisfying and I'm
sorry that you have had a hard time finding the right doctors/treatments. It sucks, and
as your comments show, it's tough for a layperson to know who is "reputable" and
who is not. That's one of the reasons that I was posting to this board; I'd like women
to have current and accurate data to use and pass on to their friends. If you want to
e-mail me your location I can see if I'm familiar with someone in your area. "
A review of the IUD = IntraUterine Device.
Application: In office, less than 5 minutes
Failure rate: from 1/100 – 1/200
Benefits: Effective long term, no systemic hormones, minimal patient effort/compliance needed.
Mechanism of action: Sterile, localized inflammatory reaction. NOT an abortifacient!!! (i.e
it does NOT work by causing the abortion of a fertilized egg at any stage; it prevents fertilization by destroying egg and/or sperm)
THE IUD IS THE MOST WIDELY USED METHOD OF REVERSIBLE CONTRACEPTION IN THE
ENTIRE WORLD AND HAS EXISTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!
3 types:
1. Copper- Paragard T380 (10 years)
2. Progestasert (1 year, progesterone-containing)
3. 5 year progesterone-containing
Side effects:
1. Copper- Heavier menses (more cramping, clots), usually resolve within 3 months. Occurs in
approximately 10% of women.
2. Progesterone containing- Occasional spotting, irregular bleeding, or missed menses; periods
may be stronger (cramping).
Most side effects improve within 3 months of insertion as well as with the use of non-steroidals
(e.g. Motrin)
Risks:
1. PID (Pelvic Inflammatory Disease).
This is more likely with multiple sexual partners or in the presence of STD’s (especially
chlamydia and gonorrhea). Localized (vaginal, cervical) STD infection can more easily spread
to uterus, tubes, ovaries, and pelvis. If not promptly treated this can in turn lead to internal
scarring of reproductive organs and subsequent infertility.
This was one of the reasons for previous recommendations that nulliparous women (without
children) should not be offered IUD’s. The major culprit for PID resulting from an IUD was an
IUD called the Dalkon Shield, which has been off the market and the company bankrupt for
20+ years. This was due to a design flaw in the string used on that particular IUD.
In general, the incidence of PID can be reduced by proper patient selection and education.
A rare form of PID caused by an unusual organism called Actinomyces israeli occurs mostly in
older women and only with copper-containing IUD’s. This bacteria can be detected on Pap
smears.
2. Perforation/migration.
Incidence of 1 in 1,500. Usually occurs at time of insertion. Definitely operator- dependent, but
can also occur with time left in place (VERY rare). Can require surgery to remove. Also can lead
to internal scarring and infertility if perforation is not detected and the offending IUD removed.
3. Expulsion (IUD falls out).
Not always detectible by patient. This leads to unintended pregnancy. Tends to occur most
often in the first several months of use as the uterus contracts and cramps and the IUD is more
properly positioned within the uterus.
4. Pregnancy.
0.5-1 in 100 women will become pregnant. Upon missing a period, pregnancy test must be done
immediately and the IUD removed ASAP. 50% of the time, the pregnancy will not be normal and
will spontaneously abort after IUD removal. There is a higher complication rate in patients with
IUD’s either removed or in place during a pregnancy.
To directly respond to Eve's questions:
-So, you view the iud as SAFE?
A: Yes
-Do people find sex to be painful?
A: Only Star...seriously- only rarely
-How often do you see women develop infections?
A: Extremely rarely; with 'responsible' patients (those that can be relied on to call in the event of a problem as well as those with a single, monagamous sexual partner) serious infections are extremely rare
-what about oral sex?
A:Sure, when?...seriously- a non-issue, except if you have an increase in vaginal discharge.
-How much of an annoyance are the strings?
A: Occasionally, a partner will complain that they feel the string (also pretty rare occurence). Usually the string is too short and is sticking straight out from the cervical os (opening) or it has been curled at the end...in every case, a little adjustment has always done the trick.
-How often do you see them become dislodged?
A: Also rare, like 2-3%. Usually occurs within the first cycle, hence I see patients for a quick ckeck at 6 weeks.
-Does it reduce bloating?
A:also a non-issue. Even the progesterone IUD only exerts a local effect from the hormone, so NO CONTRACEPTIVE-RELATED BLOATING!!!
-My insurance doesn't seem to cover it....do most OBGYNs give a partial
refund or rebate if you need it removed due to complications? I don't want to
throw away $500+ dollars.
A:a) change that piece-of-shit insurance...they probably will pay for Viagra, though
b)Does any drug or other company do that? because I would like definitely buy their products. Sure,
I know it's not fair but no one said life was fair.
You can buy the thing out of the USA (especially in Mexico) and the device costs less than $30 and is THE EXACT SAME THING. As a matter of fact, the Paragard T380 from France has a ten times better applicator!! Thank Star
and your local PI lawyer for the price of the IUD in the U.S. Fact is, it costs like 23 cents to manufacture and there
are virtually no R&D $$$'s that need to be recouped unlike for other drugs, it's a medico-legal related.
-Why won't planned parenthood offer this for free???
A: Don't start me on Planned Parenthood...They are a pack of Fucking thieves. They are not non-
profit despite their claims; their directors and anyone higher up in the organization make BIG BUCKS. Only it's
paid as salary so the accountants show the organization as not-for-profit, The pack of pills they sell you for
$12 costs them $2, the doctors that work for them are washed-up has beens and are rarely actively
practicing Ob/Gyns (usually they only still perform abortions, and patients get seen by nurses
when they are led to believe that somehow they are getting doctors or that they are being supervised
by M.D.'s. Truth is, you get what you pay for...and they aren't even that cheap.
-Is there anything else you think I should know?
A: It's worth a try if nothing else has worked. Ortho has a program that supplies IUD's free for patients who qualify financially. When you compare costs, after 18 months it's the cheapest form of contraception by
a landslide, And don't forget, abortions ain't cheap either (average $350).
Hope this helps...
If you are in Phoenix maybe I can help you out if you promise to shut Star the F*ck up.
Thanks... I think
Once again, Star... those are your personal opinions and experiences and yes,
unfortunately for the other women here, Eve included, you DO represent a sampling error.
Since I cut and pasted my last post, I wasn't trying to restate my position to challenge you... here's another cut and paste just for you Star...
"As for Star, I'm sorry that you do not have access to any "reputable" doctors in Texas.
It sounds like your gynecological experiences have been less than satisfying and I'm
sorry that you have had a hard time finding the right doctors/treatments. It sucks, and
as your comments show, it's tough for a layperson to know who is "reputable" and
who is not. That's one of the reasons that I was posting to this board; I'd like women
to have current and accurate data to use and pass on to their friends. If you want to
e-mail me your location I can see if I'm familiar with someone in your area. "
A review of the IUD = IntraUterine Device.
Application: In office, less than 5 minutes
Failure rate: from 1/100 – 1/200
Benefits: Effective long term, no systemic hormones, minimal patient effort/compliance needed.
Mechanism of action: Sterile, localized inflammatory reaction. NOT an abortifacient!!! (i.e
it does NOT work by causing the abortion of a fertilized egg at any stage; it prevents fertilization by destroying egg and/or sperm)
THE IUD IS THE MOST WIDELY USED METHOD OF REVERSIBLE CONTRACEPTION IN THE
ENTIRE WORLD AND HAS EXISTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!
3 types:
1. Copper- Paragard T380 (10 years)
2. Progestasert (1 year, progesterone-containing)
3. 5 year progesterone-containing
Side effects:
1. Copper- Heavier menses (more cramping, clots), usually resolve within 3 months. Occurs in
approximately 10% of women.
2. Progesterone containing- Occasional spotting, irregular bleeding, or missed menses; periods
may be stronger (cramping).
Most side effects improve within 3 months of insertion as well as with the use of non-steroidals
(e.g. Motrin)
Risks:
1. PID (Pelvic Inflammatory Disease).
This is more likely with multiple sexual partners or in the presence of STD’s (especially
chlamydia and gonorrhea). Localized (vaginal, cervical) STD infection can more easily spread
to uterus, tubes, ovaries, and pelvis. If not promptly treated this can in turn lead to internal
scarring of reproductive organs and subsequent infertility.
This was one of the reasons for previous recommendations that nulliparous women (without
children) should not be offered IUD’s. The major culprit for PID resulting from an IUD was an
IUD called the Dalkon Shield, which has been off the market and the company bankrupt for
20+ years. This was due to a design flaw in the string used on that particular IUD.
In general, the incidence of PID can be reduced by proper patient selection and education.
A rare form of PID caused by an unusual organism called Actinomyces israeli occurs mostly in
older women and only with copper-containing IUD’s. This bacteria can be detected on Pap
smears.
2. Perforation/migration.
Incidence of 1 in 1,500. Usually occurs at time of insertion. Definitely operator- dependent, but
can also occur with time left in place (VERY rare). Can require surgery to remove. Also can lead
to internal scarring and infertility if perforation is not detected and the offending IUD removed.
3. Expulsion (IUD falls out).
Not always detectible by patient. This leads to unintended pregnancy. Tends to occur most
often in the first several months of use as the uterus contracts and cramps and the IUD is more
properly positioned within the uterus.
4. Pregnancy.
0.5-1 in 100 women will become pregnant. Upon missing a period, pregnancy test must be done
immediately and the IUD removed ASAP. 50% of the time, the pregnancy will not be normal and
will spontaneously abort after IUD removal. There is a higher complication rate in patients with
IUD’s either removed or in place during a pregnancy.
To directly respond to Eve's questions:
-So, you view the iud as SAFE?
A: Yes
-Do people find sex to be painful?
A: Only Star...seriously- only rarely
-How often do you see women develop infections?
A: Extremely rarely; with 'responsible' patients (those that can be relied on to call in the event of a problem as well as those with a single, monagamous sexual partner) serious infections are extremely rare
-what about oral sex?
A:Sure, when?...seriously- a non-issue, except if you have an increase in vaginal discharge.
-How much of an annoyance are the strings?
A: Occasionally, a partner will complain that they feel the string (also pretty rare occurence). Usually the string is too short and is sticking straight out from the cervical os (opening) or it has been curled at the end...in every case, a little adjustment has always done the trick.
-How often do you see them become dislodged?
A: Also rare, like 2-3%. Usually occurs within the first cycle, hence I see patients for a quick ckeck at 6 weeks.
-Does it reduce bloating?
A:also a non-issue. Even the progesterone IUD only exerts a local effect from the hormone, so NO CONTRACEPTIVE-RELATED BLOATING!!!
-My insurance doesn't seem to cover it....do most OBGYNs give a partial
refund or rebate if you need it removed due to complications? I don't want to
throw away $500+ dollars.
A:a) change that piece-of-shit insurance...they probably will pay for Viagra, though
b)Does any drug or other company do that? because I would like definitely buy their products. Sure,
I know it's not fair but no one said life was fair.
You can buy the thing out of the USA (especially in Mexico) and the device costs less than $30 and is THE EXACT SAME THING. As a matter of fact, the Paragard T380 from France has a ten times better applicator!! Thank Star
and your local PI lawyer for the price of the IUD in the U.S. Fact is, it costs like 23 cents to manufacture and there
are virtually no R&D $$$'s that need to be recouped unlike for other drugs, it's a medico-legal related.
-Why won't planned parenthood offer this for free???
A: Don't start me on Planned Parenthood...They are a pack of Fucking thieves. They are not non-
profit despite their claims; their directors and anyone higher up in the organization make BIG BUCKS. Only it's
paid as salary so the accountants show the organization as not-for-profit, The pack of pills they sell you for
$12 costs them $2, the doctors that work for them are washed-up has beens and are rarely actively
practicing Ob/Gyns (usually they only still perform abortions, and patients get seen by nurses
when they are led to believe that somehow they are getting doctors or that they are being supervised
by M.D.'s. Truth is, you get what you pay for...and they aren't even that cheap.
-Is there anything else you think I should know?
A: It's worth a try if nothing else has worked. Ortho has a program that supplies IUD's free for patients who qualify financially. When you compare costs, after 18 months it's the cheapest form of contraception by
a landslide, And don't forget, abortions ain't cheap either (average $350).
Hope this helps...
If you are in Phoenix maybe I can help you out if you promise to shut Star the F*ck up.
Star
New member
Oh Fonz don't get your panties in a bunch. This guy has consistently told me that I don't know how my own Vagina feels. Just cause he delivers babies doesn't mean he knows what it feels like to have them. The God like and patronizing comments of his finally just burned my butt a little too much.
I stand by my comment.
Respectfully,
Star
I stand by my comment.
Respectfully,
Star
I agree
I agree everything affects everyone differently so even if it is rare it means that it still happens. As for the IUD I too wanted the device but I have never had children so the Dr didnt recommend it, however she did say its great if you did have kids already. I just read an article in Self magazine about a newer smaller iud that is plastic, (i dont know if they all are now they didnt used to be) so you could check up on that maybe? But if yor dr doesnt recommend it I would stick with her I mean after all she is the one who knows you pretty well when it comes to that area.
I agree everything affects everyone differently so even if it is rare it means that it still happens. As for the IUD I too wanted the device but I have never had children so the Dr didnt recommend it, however she did say its great if you did have kids already. I just read an article in Self magazine about a newer smaller iud that is plastic, (i dont know if they all are now they didnt used to be) so you could check up on that maybe? But if yor dr doesnt recommend it I would stick with her I mean after all she is the one who knows you pretty well when it comes to that area.
thebabydoc
New member
My apologies, in advance, to the rest of you but this needed to be said...
Star,
I never said ANYTHING that even closely resembles or could be inferred to mean that I think that you (or half the men in Dallas) don't know what your vagina feels like. I think your misguided comments (such as this previous one) have come from your ignorance and lack of understanding of biostatistics and certain terminology.
"Sampling error" does not mean that YOU are an error (although maybe your parents thought so), nor that you are lying, exaggerating, or anything else about YOU. You see, it's not ALL about YOU Star. Sampling error refers to the statistics, the numbers, and the collection of data, specifically relating to the actual number of responses one receives in a study. A sampling error means that the responses received do not represent the true distribution of numbers/responses. The fact that your personal experience falls under this category actually acknowledges that YOU HAVE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE. "Sampling error" merely indicates that that particular response/experience is disproportionately reflected (either less so or more so than in reality) in that particular response group. In fact, I have acknowledged that your problem exists...
" It sounds like your gynecological experiences have been less than satisfying and I'm
sorry that you have had a hard time finding the right doctors/treatments. It sucks, and
as your comments show, it's tough for a layperson to know who is "reputable" and
who is not. That's one of the reasons that I was posting to this board; I'd like women
to have current and accurate data to use and pass on to their friends. If you want to
e-mail me your location I can see if I'm familiar with someone in your area. "
My comments are neither "God-like" [my correction] or "patronizing" (although the following will be). Because you think it's all about you, you take it all personally, as if someone were challenging your veracity (that means truthfulness). In truth, I was trying to be sympathetic to your very real problems while at the same time attempting to reassure those to whom you were spreading misinformation and scare-mongering.
And now, for you to insult Fonz with that panties comment...Please, grow up. It seems that your problem is with men in general. I have another suggestion so that you wouldn't even need to bother with contraception and might solve your problems at the same time...
To accuse me of any of those things you have because I am a male is just as bad if not worse than that which you are accusing me of. My gender has nothing to do with my medical opinion, knowledge, or choice of treatments. For you to assume so is bigoted and "reverse chauvinist". What we often find in gynecology (male and female doctors alike) is that most pain-related complaints have a largely psychological component. It is for this reason that Prozac and Xanax are the 2 of the only 3 meds ever to be proven to be of help with premenstrual syndrome and dysmenorrhea (the other is ponstel, a nonsteroidal). Maybe you should add a shrink to your shopping list of doctors and stop trying to drag others down into the sad place where you emotionally reside.
thebabydoc
Star,
I never said ANYTHING that even closely resembles or could be inferred to mean that I think that you (or half the men in Dallas) don't know what your vagina feels like.
I think your misguided comments (such as this previous one) have come from your ignorance and lack of understanding of biostatistics and certain terminology. "Sampling error" does not mean that YOU are an error (although maybe your parents thought so),
nor that you are lying, exaggerating, or anything else about YOU. You see, it's not ALL about YOU Star. Sampling error refers to the statistics, the numbers, and the collection of data, specifically relating to the actual number of responses one receives in a study. A sampling error means that the responses received do not represent the true distribution of numbers/responses. The fact that your personal experience falls under this category actually acknowledges that YOU HAVE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE. "Sampling error" merely indicates that that particular response/experience is disproportionately reflected (either less so or more so than in reality) in that particular response group. In fact, I have acknowledged that your problem exists..." It sounds like your gynecological experiences have been less than satisfying and I'm
sorry that you have had a hard time finding the right doctors/treatments. It sucks, and
as your comments show, it's tough for a layperson to know who is "reputable" and
who is not. That's one of the reasons that I was posting to this board; I'd like women
to have current and accurate data to use and pass on to their friends. If you want to
e-mail me your location I can see if I'm familiar with someone in your area. "
My comments are neither "God-like" [my correction] or "patronizing" (although the following will be). Because you think it's all about you, you take it all personally, as if someone were challenging your veracity (that means truthfulness). In truth, I was trying to be sympathetic to your very real problems while at the same time attempting to reassure those to whom you were spreading misinformation and scare-mongering.
And now, for you to insult Fonz with that panties comment...Please, grow up. It seems that your problem is with men in general. I have another suggestion so that you wouldn't even need to bother with contraception and might solve your problems at the same time...
To accuse me of any of those things you have because I am a male is just as bad if not worse than that which you are accusing me of. My gender has nothing to do with my medical opinion, knowledge, or choice of treatments. For you to assume so is bigoted and "reverse chauvinist". What we often find in gynecology (male and female doctors alike) is that most pain-related complaints have a largely psychological component. It is for this reason that Prozac and Xanax are the 2 of the only 3 meds ever to be proven to be of help with premenstrual syndrome and dysmenorrhea (the other is ponstel, a nonsteroidal). Maybe you should add a shrink to your shopping list of doctors and stop trying to drag others down into the sad place where you emotionally reside.
thebabydoc
Star
New member
Listen Mister......I am a MOTHER and a WIDOW....I have not ever and will not ever let half the Men in Dallas sample my Vagina. It is obvious your level of professionalism is lacking due to the fact that you felt a need to personally attack me. Never said you were an asshole or implied that you were a fatherless son of a whore now did I....NO I DIDN'T. I asked you to stop referring to ME and MY experiences as a sampling error and a product of fear. You act as if your "Professional" opinion is all encompassing and therefore anything that is in conflict becomes a sampling error. And yes, you were referring to me in particular since you said my name more than once. Now you are implying that my problems with the IUD were psychological and I am self centered. I believe the above question begins with
Quote: "Tell me about YOUR experiences"
That would be mine sir.....since I have a Vagina. I answered her question about MY experience. Yes, you show your god complex thoroughly sir.
Star
Quote: "Tell me about YOUR experiences"
That would be mine sir.....since I have a Vagina. I answered her question about MY experience. Yes, you show your god complex thoroughly sir.
Star
