Is this the way to become Mr 0 size NATURALLY?WOW!

[SSAlexSS]

Hello all!

We all know how everyone juices to get the roid size (210+ pounds at 3% bodyfat at appropriate height)

It seems that there IS a way to reach that muscle level naturally.


FOOD?>??????!!!!!

SUMO wrestlers are the most muscular studs walking around. They are much bigger than Mr Universe. They barely weight train! Howeever what they do is EAT truckload of food each day.


So what if you eat 3 huge meals at 6,000-10,000 calories. AND WEIGHT TRAIN and do a bit of cardio.

Would you be able to gain a muscle size of a mr 0 size naturally. (In many years ofcourse).

Sure it may not be a "pretty" way to reach it. But you reached it non theless. AND without roids (or almost without. Yiou might need roids to cut up)


Like really I think that anyone at medium hight can reach 300 pounds at 30% bodyfat. Given ebough calories. If its not 6000 cals, then its 7000 or 8000
or 10000.

That would mean 210 pounds at 0% bodyfat or approximately 225 pounds at 5% bodyfat!

Remember that many sumo wrestlers (sumos are known for their appetites)
Are indeed more muscular than pro bodybuilders! AND SUMOS DONT JUICE or train!


Now, what if you did weight train and do very light cardio each day to keep some cals off some fat gain....

Could you really become huge muscularly (and cut in due time. Like 1 year of careful cutting). On such plan?


reply please!

The more I learn, the more I realise that there are even more stuff to know!

 

[Haz]

Dude you might be on to something. The only problem I see is losing all that fat without losing alot of the muscle. 100 pounds of lard is alot to lose. Plus you will have to look like shit for YEARS upone YEARS. Sumo's don't get to their weight overnight. And alot of them have really good genetics for packing on size. Ectomorph's probably need not apply.

But you are right about them having HEAPS of muscle. I was watching a sumo show, and their calves which aren't that fat, were HUGE. I mean gigantic. Probably over 25 inches. If they dieted down, they'd have solid 20 plus inch calves easily.

 

[Advaik]

My friend use to be very fat, but trimmed down and he was huge. Had a ton of muscles, but was not porportional at all. Also he has alot of loose skin, which hides alot of muscle defination.

 

[Wizzyman]

You's have to have wicked genetics for digestion to eat 6000 - 10000 cals every day! Plus who wants to be 30% bodyfat for 4 years?! Would work quite well if you were in a deserted island with plenty of beef and spuds and a heavy barbell!

 

[ZZuluZ]

Well, looks like it should work in Theory.

However recent by Tudor Bompa would indicate otherwise.

-Zulu

 

[beastboy]

Try it and let us know how it works...

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

The more I learn, the more I realise that there are even more stuff to know!

The only bad part of this scenario is having to wear that damn diaper-thing up your ass...please do post before and after sumo shots.

 

[SSAlexSS]

My friend use to be very fat, but trimmed down and he was huge. Had a ton of muscles, but was not porportional at all. Also he has alot of loose skin, which hides alot of muscle defination.

What do you mean "not proportionate?".

Theoretically ALL muscle should grow when you overfeed yourself, not just select few. Did you friend work out? and if so, maybe only certain bodyparts - hency why he was unproportionate?


reply please!

thanx!

 

[SSAlexSS]

You's have to have wicked genetics for digestion to eat 6000 - 10000 cals every day! Plus who wants to be 30% bodyfat for 4 years?! Would work quite well if you were in a deserted island with plenty of beef and spuds and a heavy barbell!

Well to a dedicated bodybuilder it is not a problem.

I would eat shit to be Mr 0!
And so would many people!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Well, looks like it should work in Theory.

However recent by Tudor Bompa would indicate otherwise.

-Zulu

What is that exactly?

And it does works in practise. Sumo wrstlers, King kamali, Lee Priest, Tommi and others are getting bigger and bigger through huge overfeeding overfatening during offseason!

 

[SSAlexSS]

My friend use to be very fat, but trimmed down and he was huge. Had a ton of muscles, but was not porportional at all. Also he has alot of loose skin, which hides alot of muscle defination.

Well. Where does LEE Priests loose skin goes>? He gains like 80 pounds of blubber each year on his 5'4 frame. That is alot! Where is the loose skin? I watched Mr 0 2000 and I didnt see any
skin hanging like a kilt off his 6 pack!

King kamali gets like to 300+ in offseason, He gets really fat . Yet he doesnt seem to have a loose skin hiding definition.

Any ideas?

 

[kamaboko]

are you serious? do you really expect to compare sumo to bodybuilding? did you start taking roids straight to the head?

i've lived in SE asia for a number of years, including japan. have you even seen a sumo match? have you ever talked with one of these guys? i'd bet dollars to donuts you haven't. these guys are a walking mess. ask them to sprint 50 yards and they're likely to have a heart attack. these guys sweat bullets walking across the room. to say that they're fat is an understatement. i'd love to see one of those guys do a pull-up. forget it! it won't happen. they don't have the strength to do it.

go back to school buddy, you're way off. and no, i wouldn't eat shit to be mr. o.

 

[SSAlexSS]

are you serious? do you really expect to compare sumo to bodybuilding? did you start taking roids straight to the head?

i've lived in SE asia for a number of years, including japan. have you even seen a sumo match? have you ever talked with one of these guys? i'd bet dollars to donuts you haven't. these guys are a walking mess. ask them to sprint 50 yards and they're likely to have a heart attack. these guys sweat bullets walking across the room. to say that they're fat is an understatement. i'd love to see one of those guys do a pull-up. forget it! it won't happen. they don't have the strength to do it.

go back to school buddy, you're way off. and no, i wouldn't eat shit to be mr. o.

I didnt say that this method was clean and nice.

If you dont want to be hugely muscular and gain muscle at fastest rate possible, kidos to you.

Howeever BODYBUILDING ISNT RUNNING!

So what if you cant run 50 yards. They not gonna judge you on that. What they will judge IS your phisque!

 

[kamaboko]

>>What they will judge IS your phisque!


Name ONE sumo wrestler that can compete at any level of bodybuilding. Remember, phisque is what we're looking for; nice symmetry, etc. All I'd like is one. You have hundreds of pro's and thousands of sumo wannabe's to pick from. Again, just name one.

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

the posedown at the 2003 Natural Mr. Olympia gets ROUGH!!!:

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

the posedown at the 2003 Natural Mr. Olympia gets ROUGH!!!:

 

[kamaboko]

LOL!!

Damn, check out those abs!!!! Six pack all the way!!! Man, if that's the competition for Mr. O.....I've got it in the bag!

 

[SSAlexSS]

>>What they will judge IS your phisque!


Name ONE sumo wrestler that can compete at any level of bodybuilding. Remember, phisque is what we're looking for; nice symmetry, etc. All I'd like is one. You have hundreds of pro's and thousands of sumo wannabe's to pick from. Again, just name one.

Well sumos are being well paid doing what they are doing. No need to defect to less income sport like bodybuilding.

But still, what if a big SUMO actually weight trained and dieted down? He would knock many bodybuilders from thge stage. Give him NITROTECH and CELL TEK stack and he is on Olympia stage in no time!

 

[Lord_Suston]

I know I haven't been on for a few days because of Easter, but come on Alex quotes like:
"The more I learn, the more I realise that there are even more stuff to know!"
-is making me sick since you cannot even spell realize right. Also your basic arithmetic skills need some work too.

"That would mean 210 pounds at 0% bodyfat or approximately 225 pounds at 5% bodyfat!"

-Now I'll do the math slowly 210 at 0% BF so at 10% he would have 21lbs of fat, so take half to get 5% and that would be 10.5lbs now add that to 210 and that would be.... 220.5lbs not 225

"Remember that many sumo wrestlers (sumos are known for their appetites) Are indeed more muscular than pro bodybuilders! AND SUMOS DONT JUICE or train!"

Wrong again! Most Sumo wrestlers have very little pec and shoulder developement or even bicept devcelopement since the work they perform is mostly pushing. Now Mr. O is based on symmetry and the last I noticed the judges liked a nice tapering form with developed shoulders with a lot of symmetry.

Now will do some simple math again. Well Use Needsize for example. 5'7" at 215lbs at about lets say 8%, this equal 197.8 of fat free mass.

Now a sumo wrestler at his same height at the weight of 270lbs and 30% bf (now this is a very conservative number since most Sumo wrestelrs are fatter). This equals 81lbs of fat. So 270lbs minus 81lbs equals...... 189lbs of fat free mass.

So now we can see the bodybuilder has more muscle and better symmetry. Plus you are getting even more ignorant.....

 

[kamaboko]

>>>Well sumos are being well paid doing what they are doing. >>>No need to defect to less income sport like bodybuilding.


Again.....you are wrong. Only a few sumo wrestlers make any money to speak of. They receive a "living" wage and are housed like cattle.

Where did you get your info? This must be an April Fools joke because people just don't come this ignorant, right?

 

[SSAlexSS]

I know I haven't been on for a few days because of Easter, but come on Alex quotes like:
"The more I learn, the more I realise that there are even more stuff to know!"
-is making me sick since you cannot even spell realize right. Also your basic arithmetic skills need some work too.

"That would mean 210 pounds at 0% bodyfat or approximately 225 pounds at 5% bodyfat!"

-Now I'll do the math slowly 210 at 0% BF so at 10% he would have 21lbs of fat, so take half to get 5% and that would be 10.5lbs now add that to 210 and that would be.... 220.5lbs not 225

"Remember that many sumo wrestlers (sumos are known for their appetites) Are indeed more muscular than pro bodybuilders! AND SUMOS DONT JUICE or train!"

Wrong again! Most Sumo wrestlers have very little pec and shoulder developement or even bicept devcelopement since the work they perform is mostly pushing. Now Mr. O is based on symmetry and the last I noticed the judges liked a nice tapering form with developed shoulders with a lot of symmetry.

Now will do some simple math again. Well Use Needsize for example. 5'7" at 215lbs at about lets say 8%, this equal 197.8 of fat free mass.

Now a sumo wrestler at his same height at the weight of 270lbs and 30% bf (now this is a very conservative number since most Sumo wrestelrs are fatter). This equals 81lbs of fat. So 270lbs minus 81lbs equals...... 189lbs of fat free mass.

So now we can see the bodybuilder has more muscle and better symmetry. Plus you are getting even more ignorant.....

About spelling. I dont check my posts! Furthermore I type so quickly that sometimes I just make mistakes.

Oh my god. I missed by 4.5 pounds. Ok my bad. its 220.5 and not 225. I used my head to quickly. Not a big mistake. My physics teaches cant ad 9 to 6. He gets 14... ahahha.

Plus I am tal;king about 400 pound sumos, not your quarter string dime a dozen who competes at University of Washington or something.


Little pec development? You havent seen them flex their pecs. I once saw a huge sumo wrestler and his chest was much bigger. See "The Quest" with jean Claude Van damme.

Mr 0 is based on symmetry. Correct.
That is why you train [I can place many swewars here to make it funny but being a nice guy I decide not to] !!!!!!

I didnt say "eat and dont train".

Who is ignorant?

 

[Lord_Suston]

Oh I see now an guy ina movie has a big chest so he epitomizes the whole sumo profession.

Were did I mention not training Sumo wrestlers train many hours a day they are just not bodybuilders. This is the same reason a pro line man who weighs 360 and has a lot more muscle than a sumo (if you look at bf percentage) to lose all the fat would be so severe they would lose a lot of muscle. Now you state get Mr. O size naturally, so you can't use probodybuilders for your example of fat loss. Even if you train as a sumo by eating some many calories you get up to 400lbs, and then cut dwon you will lose too much muscle without juice so you primary argument fails.

Why don't you try this regiment and then post your results after a year.

 

[Fantom604]

I would say that you can get very big, yes, but your body can only hold so much muscle. any weight you put on after that is fat. The comes roids. They allow you to hold more muscle than your genetics has predefined.

 

[kamaboko]

>>Little pec development? You havent seen them flex their pecs. I once saw a huge sumo wrestler and his chest was much bigger. See "The Quest" with jean Claude Van damme.


You're primary information comes from a Van Damme movie???? Jesus....get a grip buddy. (You must be in high school.) Tell ya what....go to Japan, see a match, check the guys out then come back and tell me what you think. Better yet, follow a sumo training routine for a year...diet, throwing your shoulder into a wooden post, squats, etc. After you've done that for a year, take the next three months to trim down. I'll see you at Mr. O.

Man, stop while you're already behind. You're turning this into a blood bath. How much punishment can you take?

 

[SSAlexSS]

I would say that you can get very big, yes, but your body can only hold so much muscle. any weight you put on after that is fat. The comes roids. They allow you to hold more muscle than your genetics has predefined.

Well. SUMOS I guess prove you wrong!

They are pretty big and muscular. Sure they are fat, but under fat you have hyper rock hard muscle!

My speculation is that high calories affect your genetics and you grow.

it is possiible to alter your egentic makeup for muscle mass, in extreme situations. This seems to be one of such situations.

 

[Engine9]

They are pretty big and muscular. Sure they are fat, but under fat you have hyper rock hard muscle!

Ahhhh, the much sought after "hyper rock hard" muscle.

 

[kamaboko]

My speculation is that high calories affect your genetics and you grow.

So does this mean that I will no longer look like anyone in my family? Wow...this must be the Incredible Hulk theory. I've heard about it.

 

[b fold the truth]

The "sumo theory" to bodybuilding is not correct for a few good reasons...let me see if I can touch on one or two.

Priest, Kamali...don't get up to 30% bodyfat. When you see those pics of them where they are fat...they MIGHT be 12-14%.

You think that sumo's are completely drug free? No way. These guys are total professionals in their country and you better believe that if they can find or take something to make them bigger or stronger they will. This is their life. Maybe not AAS...but something.

If a sumo wrestler trained like a bodybuilder...they would NOT be a sumo wrestler. They get that fat from eating, sleeping, and doing NOTHING at all. They do not exercise at all. If they lifted weights like a bodybuider...they would lose weight because it would increase their metabolism.

Will you ever have a natural Mr. O? Unless you would rather see a lean 190lb Mr. O someday...NO you will not. You won't see a natural WWF, NFL, MLB, NBA, WSM, either.

In my opinion...the optimum range for gaining muscle is in that 12-16% bodyfat range. Anything less...and you are too catabolic to be anabolic.

B True

 

[mattcanning99]

Coleman is smart!


He finished UNIVERSITY with HONOURS!

No offence, but few blacks GET to university... much less finish with honours!

that's all i have to say.

 

[SSAlexSS]

The "sumo theory" to bodybuilding is not correct for a few good reasons...let me see if I can touch on one or two.

Priest, Kamali...don't get up to 30% bodyfat. When you see those pics of them where they are fat...they MIGHT be 12-14%.

You think that sumo's are completely drug free? No way. These guys are total professionals in their country and you better believe that if they can find or take something to make them bigger or stronger they will. This is their life. Maybe not AAS...but something.

If a sumo wrestler trained lik
e a bodybuilder...they would NOT be a sumo wrestler. They get that fat from eating, sleeping, and doing NOTHING at all. They do not exercise at all. If they lifted weights like a bodybuider...they would lose weight because it would increase their metabolism.

Will you ever have a natural Mr. O? Unless you would rather see a lean 190lb Mr. O someday...NO you will not. You won't see a natural WWF, NFL, MLB, NBA, WSM, either.

In my opinion...the optimum range for gaining muscle is in that 12-16% bodyfat range. Anything less...and you are too catabolic to be anabolic.

B True

Ok. Did you see Lee Priest in offsesaon? His gut has bigger circumference than his height!
No abs and even hint of them are present. That isnt waht I call 12-16% bodyfat.

He weights lean 220 pounds. In offseason he gets up to 300 pounds.
Hmm... Lets see 80 pounds of blubber.

More like in a range of 25-30% bodyfat.

Ands kamlis 50+ inch waist isnt what I call 16% bodyfat.

I think this site stilll has some pics of them (the internebt connectionis working to slow for me to find those pics)

 

[parapete]

You took the words out of my mouth. A lot of Sumo wrestlers are not natural. I don't know what they take, but i am sure its whatever they can. Second, you are making a big deal about being a natural O. Listen, yes, steroids may not be the healthiest choice but if you want to be an Olympia competitor, its necessary. Even if you could get to be the size naturally going the sumo route, one, as alex said in the beginning, roids would be 100% necessary to get into contest shape. Second, you would be a lot healthier taking steroids than you would be ballooning up to 400-600 pounds with that much bodyfat. It would take several years to get up to that, so during that time period, you would be putting all organs, bones, skin, under enormous stress, your bloodpressure and chloresterol would skyrocket. Sure, steroids, especially if abused like a lot of guys do, will cause all those sides, but amazingly, to a lesser extent.

 

[SSAlexSS]

You took the words out of my mouth. A lot of Sumo wrestlers are not natural. I don't know what they take, but i am sure its whatever they can. Second, you are making a big deal about being a natural O. Listen, yes, steroids may not be the healthiest choice but if you want to be an Olympia competitor, its necessary. Even if you could get to be the size naturally going the sumo route, one, as alex said in the beginning, roids would be 100% necessary to get into contest shape. Second, you would be a lot healthier taking steroids than you would be ballooning up to 400-600 pounds with that much bodyfat. It would take several years to get up to that, so during that time period, you would be putting all organs, bones, skin, under enormous stress, your bloodpressure and chloresterol would skyrocket. Sure, steroids, especially if abused like a lot of guys do, will cause all those sides, but amazingly, to a lesser extent.

Good reply.

 

[parapete]

Lee Priest does get quite big. A lot of guys don't get that bad as they have to do guest appearance and don't need to make a bad name for their sponsers. King Kamali does not get above 16%. His big waist is more due in part to eating high volumes of food. Difference being, a lot of that food is pretty clean. Also, pros take a variety of drugs, like cytomel, etc. that help process large amounts of food. I know when i am bulking, i eat a lot and my stomach is always distended, especially by evening lol. I am sure insulin usage doesn't help some of the pros guts either. Kamali gets up to around 300-315 offseason, he competes at around 250?(a guess, haven't looked at his stats lately) So, lets see, he drops 50-60 pounds. 10% is about 30 pounds, i am sure he loses a little muscle with that during the dieting so lets say 35 pounds and than a shitload of water.

 

[parapete]

Good reply.

Thank you

 

[Haz]

If you have seen photos of Lee Priest in the off-season, there is now way you'd say he's 12-14% bodyfat. That dude gets OBESE, seriously. Even his face is fat! I'd estimate it at about 25% minimum.

I read an interview in which he stated that he had to make sure there were certain fast food places near his new home, before he would move there. I think the list included McDonalds, Krispy Kreme, KFC... you get the picture.

I'm tempted to try this method. It beats eating fucking tuna and oatmeal.

 

[parapete]

Yeah, like i said, Lee is a case all by himself. I too have tried the eating junk thing this winter. I put on bodyfat, got stronger and very little muscle. As soon as i went to a cleaner diet, emphasizing good protein sources and good carbs, i starting adding lean muscle again. Works for some, but rarely.

 

[b fold the truth]

SSAlexSS: Ok...I am trying to keep a calm head here...but the thought that someone 100lbs lighter than I am is arguing with me on how to get bigger...just kills me. If I had a dollar everytime someone that is 100lbs lighter than me tried to give me advice on how to get bigger...I'd have a lot less money worries in my life.

Ok...you have READ that Priest weighs 220 on stage and 300 offseason. Bodybuilding literature is some of the most made up literature known to man...almost a total myth. If Priest's waist is as big as he is tall...then he would have a 64" waist. Do you really believe this crap?

Yes...I have several pics of Priest on my computer in the offseason (the one at that seminar hitting a dbl bic pose) in his shorts and boots. He is NOT fat and not over 16% bodyfat. One looks fat if they are 175lbs and 16% bodyfat...but 16% bodyfat at 280 is not at all. If abs become present at 10% bodyfat or under...well...you should see my point. If going from ripped at 4% to barely having abs at 10% or less...is just 6% or less...then going 6% larger would be about right. He did NOT have any "rolls" around his stomach and no large love handles either.

Kamali with a 50" waist? Come on man. I'm not delusional. You mean to tell me that in the matter of 12 months he can go from a 29-34" waist to a 50" and back to a 29-34" waist? Please. Dorian has a big waist...even with abs...most bodybuilders do these days.

16% bodyfat on someone small, take note here, is fat. 16% on someone at 300lbs is NOT fat.

B True

 

[dude]

It probably wouldn't work the way you think. Yes you may be able to weigh 300lbs at 30% bodyfat buy your body can only hold a certain amount of muscle mass at a certain bf. For instance, Steve Reeves was looked at as the upper end of a natural athlete in terms of muscularity and size. He could have gotten bigger but he would have needed to gain more fat to maintain that kind of muscle mass.

 

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS: Ok...I am trying to keep a calm head here...but the thought that someone 100lbs lighter than I am is arguing with me on how to get bigger...just kills me. If I had a dollar everytime someone that is 100lbs lighter than me tried to give me advice on how to get bigger...I'd have a lot less money worries in my life.

Ok...you have READ that Priest weighs 220 on stage and 300 offseason. Bodybuilding literature is some of the most made up literature known to man...almost a total myth. If Priest's waist is as big as he is tall...then he would have a 64" waist. Do you really believe this crap?

Yes...I have several pics of Priest on my computer in the offseason (the one at that seminar hitting a dbl bic pose) in his shorts and boots. He is NOT fat and not over 16% bodyfat. One looks fat if they are 175lbs and 16% bodyfat...but 16% bodyfat at 280 is not at all. If abs become present at 10% bodyfat or under...well...you should see my point. If going from ripped at 4% to barely having abs at 10% or less...is just 6% or less...then going 6% larger would be about right. He did NOT have any "rolls" around his stomach and no large love handles either.

Kamali with a 50" waist? Come on man. I'm not delusional. You mean to tell me that in the matter of 12 months he can go from a 29-34" waist to a 50" and back to a 29-34" waist? Please. Dorian has a big waist...even with abs...most bodybuilders do these days.

16% bodyfat on someone small, take note here, is fat. 16% on someone at 300lbs is NOT fat.

B True

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=373633

See that king kamali pic. Pay close attention to his face and his waist. And his comp waist is atleast 35+ inches.

Have you ever seen some of lees pics? when I found it I'll post it again.... When your gut is hanging from your jeans covering your legs, its not 16% bodyfat!

and
http://w1.470.telia.com/~u47020891/bilder4/leepriestoffseason1.jpg
not the best pic I have seen. I seen him fatter. gotta look for that.

http://www.emusclemag.com/pages/musclebuzz-30.htm#ohlee
or
http://www.emusclemag.com/pages/musclebuzz-30.htm
and scroll down.


yeh. keep telling me@!

 

[SSAlexSS]

It probably wouldn't work the way you think. Yes you may be able to weigh 300lbs at 30% bodyfat buy your body can only hold a certain amount of muscle mass at a certain bf. For instance, Steve Reeves was looked at as the upper end of a natural athlete in terms of muscularity and size. He could have gotten bigger but he would have needed to gain more fat to maintain that kind of muscle mass.

intersting reply you have there!

 

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS: Ok...I am trying to keep a calm head here...but the thought that someone 100lbs lighter than I am is arguing with me on how to get bigger...just kills me. If I had a dollar everytime someone that is 100lbs lighter than me tried to give me advice on how to get bigger...I'd have a lot less money worries in my life.

Ok...you have READ that Priest weighs 220 on stage and 300 offseason. Bodybuilding literature is some of the most made up literature known to man...almost a total myth. If Priest's waist is as big as he is tall...then he would have a 64" waist. Do you really believe this crap?

Yes...I have several pics of Priest on my computer in the offseason (the one at that seminar hitting a dbl bic pose) in his shorts and boots. He is NOT fat and not over 16% bodyfat. One looks fat if they are 175lbs and 16% bodyfat...but 16% bodyfat at 280 is not at all. If abs become present at 10% bodyfat or under...well...you should see my point. If going from ripped at 4% to barely having abs at 10% or less...is just 6% or less...then going 6% larger would be about right. He did NOT have any "rolls" around his stomach and no large love handles either.

Kamali with a 50" waist? Come on man. I'm not delusional. You mean to tell me that in the matter of 12 months he can go from a 29-34" waist to a 50" and back to a 29-34" waist? Please. Dorian has a big waist...even with abs...most bodybuilders do these days.

16% bodyfat on someone small, take note here, is fat. 16% on someone at 300lbs is NOT fat.

B True

http://www.emusclemag.com/pages/musclebuzz-30.htm#ohlee
see that lee priest pic


and really. I seen Mr 0 2001 and kamlis waist is atleast 40 inches. It protrudes to much. But because he got lots of muscle, your attentio gets distracted and hius gut looks smaller.

 

[b fold the truth]

Like I said...you can't argue with someone who is 100lbs smaller than you are. You can talk in "theory" on how to gain weight...but you have never done it. Read all the articles you want and make all the inferences you wish from pictures...but when you actually do something...feel free to make a genuine post.

B True