is this the future of Bodybuilding ?

[The Shadow]

lol, the BB vs. PL thing wasn't directed at you (or BiggT). Like you said in your first post and have continued to say, it's speculation about what someone might've done if he'd directed his efforts and potential elsewhere. I just find it odd that people (again, not you) so readily apply the criteria from one sport when judging another with bodybuilding and powerlifting when they'd think it absurd to do so with other sports.

Totally agreed.

I wish folks weren't quite as quick to assume a presonal slant on general topics and statements

 

[BiggT]

I wasn't talking about your post either Shadow, for what its worth, I thought you stated your opinion well....I was referring to the one that said 'if any of you fat asses ever cut' and 'ronnie would beat any lard ass powerlifter'.....as Illuminati's post sparked it, and ironically Illumanati is probably one of the leanest guys on this whole site.

 

[The Shadow]

T- I didnt see his post quoted in anyone's reply.

I really think it was a comment in general......


WE need some Midol over here...LOL(note I said "we" not you or yall)

LOLOL

 

[BiggT]

No, you're right, he didn't 'direct' it, it is just how I would take the comments if my post sparked them, but thats just me, I didn't say I took it personally, just backing up Illuminati, by the way I don't agree with Illuminati's initial post for what thats worth, but he definitely ain't a "fat powerlifter" by any stretch.


I feel a little retarded for giving this thread more attention than it deserved, and I am done with it now, as I think it was started with the sole intention of igniting a war and flame-fest anyway (not a war about BB vs PL or strongman or anything, but a war about golden-era physiques vs new ones).

So my apologies if I offended anyone or stepped out of line.

PS

I prefer Advil for cramps, Midol gives me headaches and hot flashes.

 

[The Shadow]

Monistat All Around

 

[al420]

The thread was started by a guy that could never be either (BB or PL)

Just read some on his past posts - things like "my vagina is sore from squatting"

 

[Cynical Simian]

I think it was started with the sole intention of igniting a war and flame-fest anyway (not a war about BB vs PL or strongman or anything, but a war about golden-era physiques vs new ones).

Oh, definitely. He's the same guy who made a "Why do you guys juice? Is it to compensate for your lack of self-esteem?" thread in the Anabolic Forum a while back. But that doesn't mean the bulk of the replies weren't intelligent and informative. Some very good threads on here have achieved that status despite the best efforts of the OP (e.g. Ilovetolift's "new routine" thread a couple weeks ago).

 

[ErikZ]

Google Mariusz Pudzianowski.....3xs WSM....lean enough for ya? and yes, he'd blow Ronnie away in any gym lift or test of practical strength. Largely an exception, yes, but you could also say pro bodybuilders deadlifting 800lbs are also generally an exception to the rule.

T, you took the words out of my mouth (proverbially speaking)> Mariusz physique is amazing for a powerlifter...
And yes, go check out the lighter weight's categories in PL, you will see some pretty ripped guys and gals there.
I hate the stereotype that all plifters are fat.

 

[fortunatesun]

I'd go one step further and say PL technique helped me learn to stay lean rather than fighting that constant battle.
I'm not a Plifter per se, that is I don't train for competition, and have since modified the Westside template to suit my needs. When I first started it though, it emphasis on getting the parts to work toward the whole (bench, squat, DL max) as well as the importance of GPP was a revelation to me in terms of training efficiency.
Nowadays I'm stronger,sure, but I'm also way more physically fit. I have more energy both inside and outside of the gym. And I'm unexpectedly bigger, with better symmetry.

It all goes back to what was said before about solid application of theory in whatever pursuit you choose. I just wanted to use my example to illustrate the other side of the coin. Unless you're training specifically for sport, I think the gym is pretty much an open field: a place where there will be as many correct ways to acheive your goals as there are individuals.

 

[Illuminati]

You think that the top strongmen and plers don't shoot 10 grams of test etc per week??


I hope that is a joke.

This is not about bbing vs. pling....you can think bbing is "overglorified" or whatever adjective/adverb you wish to use.

Who cares what anyones "opinions" are about bbing or pling for that matter??


Remember - Ronnie tested natural at every pling and bbing event he entered until around 1992-93. He was pulling 800 at a competition bbing weight of 240ish THEN.


There will be tons of folks who doubt he was natty then - that's fine. You can look at the pics then versus 3-4 years later see what a HUGE difference there was.


I think he was 19 in this photo:

http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/Begin03_LG.jpg


As a teenager - he was bigger than most of us can get after years of training.

Ronnie is also in his early 40's.


http://www.thebiguniverse.com/coleman/transform.html


^^^Freaking insane.


imo - You dont put on 80 pounds of lean body mass in your 30's and 40's without being really close to natural to begin with - which gets me back to his strength - dont think that it is simply because of gear usage.

ok. fair enough. you want to say that the gear has helped people to achieve unimaginable feats of strength. I personaly think Mendelson and Rychlak's lifts are a bunch of BS. they dont even hold the bar at lock out prior to starting the lift. But you said that Ronnie would set records, so I gave you what the current records are.

you want to talk about some more practical records. check out the New England Record Breakers meet that was held a few months back. This was a completely RAW meet. This means no bench shirts, no squat suits, and no deadlift suits; just a belt, and maybe some knee wraps. Here are some highlights:

Sam Byrd weighed 212
705 Squat
430 Bench
600 Deadlift
1735 Total

Donnie Thompson SHW (which means he is over 308)
805 Squat
565 Bench
800 Deadlift
2170 Total

Brian Siders SHW
785 Squat
695 Bench
849 Deadlift
2230 Total

It wasn't at the NERB, but Scot Mendelson has Benched 701 Raw.

The whole point of my original post was not directed at any one in particular. It simply b/c you said that Ronnie would set records, and I am telling you that I dont think he would. You really have no idea how hard it is go up 50lbs in a squat once you get over the 600lb mark. Or how hard it is to go up 50lbs in the bench once you get over the 450 mark. Or 50lbs in the Deadlift, once you get over 550.


And to the comment that PLers are all fat tubs of lard...I'll give you that, but only in the 275 and up weight classes. The 242's and under and pretty damn lean. Get into the 220's and you will see some pretty jacked guys. Drop into the 198 and under, and you will see some guys that could win BBing shows.