is this the future of Bodybuilding ?

[AAP]

Saying Ronnie used straps or whatever is really irrelevant to what he did. What people fail to realize is that those videos were taken only a short time before the O and during his contest prep mode. Contest prep meaning his carbs were cut and he was losing bodyweight and fat. If any of you fatties have dieted down you would realize how weak a person truly is in that condition. Give the man a bit of fat and some good eating of red meat and those genetics, he would blow away any lard ass powerlifter.

 

[BiggT]

Not to start an internet pissing match here, but the fatty stuff and dieting down was directed to Illuminati, and he is DAMN LEAN. He's a ripped 212 and he pulls 600lbs, no straps, and natural......so I can sit here and argue that if he took boatloads of gear and gained 100lbs he'd pull 800 for a double.....see how ridiculous it is to have these "what if" arguments???

Again, not trying to start shit, just saying the lard ass comments are a little unfair considering who they were directed at. You can call me a lard ass if I post something along those lines though, that would be understandable, lol.

And another thing, dieting down does make one weak, but dieting down on a host of anabolic goodies isn't the same as just dieting down. And, as far as taking out any lard ass strength athlete, are you calling Mariusz Pudzianowski or Ryan Kennelley or Jesse Marunde or Derek Poundstone or Jon Anderson or Chuck Vogelpohl or Bill Kazmaier a 'lard ass' who Ronnie would blow away had he chosen to eat twinkies and hot dogs, because save for contest day at the Olympia, any of those guys EASILY has lower bodyfat than Ronnie 364 out of 365 days a year.

Ronnie very well could have been one of the strongest men who ever breathed, I am not saying that he isn't stronger than 99% of the population could ever be, steroids or not, its just that I feel it is a little unfair to say he'd blow away some of the strongest guys who have ever lived if he were 'fat' is a little ridiculous.

For argument's sake, I do seriously think Mark Henry has the bets genetics for strength of any human who has ver walked the face of the Earth....I also think he wasted that potential in the WWE, but the WWE paid him millions so I can't blame him....but it is useless to say Henry would have destroyed everyone in powerlifting and strongman IF he chose to train for it soley....IFs don't make a case.

 

[AAP]

So basically you agree with me. Cool.

Until powerlifters come in with a six pack, I am not impressed.

 

[BiggT]

So basically you agree with me. Cool.

Until powerlifters come in with a six pack, I am not impressed.

I don't see where you drew that conclusion if you read the whole post, but I am not looking to argue. As far as powerlifters, look to the 220 class and below and you'll see your fair share of 6 packs......as for the heavier guys, when coming with a 6 pack increases performance, then you'll get your wish, some people view 'cutting' as just as silly as you view carrying extra bodyfat to be stronger.

 

[BiggT]

Google Mariusz Pudzianowski.....3xs WSM....lean enough for ya? and yes, he'd blow Ronnie away in any gym lift or test of practical strength. Largely an exception, yes, but you could also say pro bodybuilders deadlifting 800lbs are also generally an exception to the rule.

 

[The Shadow]

Google Mariusz Pudzianowski.....3xs WSM....lean enough for ya? and yes, he'd blow Ronnie away in any gym lift or test of practical strength. Largely an exception, yes, but you could also say pro bodybuilders deadlifting 800lbs are also generally an exception to the rule.

Of course he would - again - he trains SPECIFICALLY for strength.


A couple of post up, somone made a comment about plers in general - that was not directed at Illum - I think that's actually pretty clear.

 

[Cynical Simian]

I think Ronnie is the best bodybuilder in the world, because thats where 110% of his focus and energy goes. Sure, it's fun to play 'what if?' but these things always incite a war sooner or later. Ronnie is a strong guy, no doubt about it, there are a lot of stronger guys out there than him in powerlifting, strongman, weightlifting, throwing etc, but it is comparing apples to oranges, Ronnie trains to be the best bodybuilder in the world, and thats exactly what he is, whether all BB fans like his look or not. The guy is certainly very strong, but he isn't the strongest man on the planet and there is no use saying he 'could be' because thats not what he trains for now and its probably not what he'll ever train for......It's like saying Mariusz Pudzianowski COULD win the Olympia if he trained for it.....maybe he could, maybe he couldn't, it doesn't matter because thats not what he pours all of his efforts into.

+1 to this and T's other posts.

I grow weary of this BB vs. PL mindset so many people seem to have. I guess it's considered a natural comparison because the primary means of training is similar, but the specifics of that training and ends are completely different. Like T said, it might be interesting to throw out counterfactuals or admire feats outside a guy's area of specialization, but there aren't really any definite conclusions to be reached. Would anyone really care how long it would take Maurice Greene to run a marathon or Paul Tergat to run 100 meters?

 

[The Shadow]

IThe guy is certainly very strong, but he isn't the strongest man on the planet and there is no use saying he 'could be' because thats not what he trains for now and its probably not what he'll ever train for......It's like saying Mariusz Pudzianowski COULD win the Olympia if he trained for it.....maybe he could, maybe he couldn't, it doesn't matter because thats not what he pours all of his efforts into.

A couple of things:

I never said anything about him being the strongest man on the planet -I dont consider the record holders in PLing to be the "strongest" men on the planet - too much variety in the strongmen field to even say that.

Someone mentioned bbing being over glorified - thats an opinion.


I stated that there are some folks who feel that Ronnie could break records - that is also an opinion.

You can say that Marius COULD win the Mr. O all day long - it's not offending anyone.

Do you see the slight double standard here??


This arguing back and forth is

 

[The Shadow]

+1 to this and T's other posts.

I grow weary of this BB vs. PL mindset so many people seem to have. I guess it's considered a natural comparison because the primary means of training is similar, but the specifics of that training and ends are completely different. Like T said, it might be interesting to throw out counterfactuals or admire feats outside a guy's area of specialization, but there aren't really any definite conclusions to be reached. Would anyone really care how long it would take Maurice Greene to run a marathon or Paul Tergat to run 100 meters?

again - this isnt and wasnt meant to BE a bbers v. plers...


and its not that much like apples and oranges.


We are talking about somone who evryone will agree has a tremendous natural strength base and thinking aloud the possibilities.


so - apples and oranges - no.

peas and carrots - maybe

 

[Cynical Simian]

We are talking about somone who evryone will agree has a tremendous natural strength base and thinking aloud the possibilities.


so - apples and oranges - no.

peas and carrots - maybe

lol, the BB vs. PL thing wasn't directed at you (or BiggT). Like you said in your first post and have continued to say, it's speculation about what someone might've done if he'd directed his efforts and potential elsewhere. I just find it odd that people (again, not you) so readily apply the criteria from one sport when judging another with bodybuilding and powerlifting when they'd think it absurd to do so with other sports.