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is this me doing push presses?

i think you're muscling up the barbell a lil bit tooooo early.. use max hip drive and push the weight up wards till the upper portion of the lift where u lockout.. else it looks good to me.. as that's how i do mine..
 
I think they look excellent....you have NO issues with your rack, and this would be a great teaching video as a common problem people have is they don't keep the bar firmly racked across the shoulders and then they can't get any leg drive......nice job, I see no problems.
 
looks good. just remember, there is no rebending of the legs as that would make it a jerk. the point of a push press is to learn to fully connect the momentum generated by the legs with the arms pushing overhead. this is an assistance exercise for the jerk.

so, if you rebend your legs and drop under it, you don't get the full effect, nullifying the exercise. dip smooth, explode up and fast, and then use your arms once you've extended - and stay extended.
 
If Glenn's coaching you, I'm sure any form issues will be corrected.

One thing I read somewhere, and I'm interetsed to know if its "right" or not, is that you don't want to come up on your toes b/c you don't want the weight to ever shift out front. Anyone know if that's right/wrong?
 
super_rice and pb brought up the exact same things I was thinking about when I watched me doing PPs. the little rebending of the knees during the rack and extenting my ankles...
 
Protobuilder said:
I'm still curious about the coming up on your toes business. Bad b/c it shifts the center of gravity forward?
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I always come up on my toes, and even if I don't, my heels leave the ground. I never had balance issues with shifting forward because I always lock the bar out behind my head, I always do them in oly lifting shoes too. I try to squat the bar off of me and through the ceiling, and then just lock out the last several inches.

And yeah, you don't want to squat under the bar, thats a jerk.....and don't 'double dip' either.

Again, the vid looked ok to me.....Peter, you're a natural with your technique, and you seem to be the type of lifter who can watch something a few times and then go and nail it......now with a little coaching, you're really gonna get great results.
 
I've gotta' get a video up b/c I think I may suck at these pretty bad. LoL Actually, I just get very little pop in my hips. Neural or muscular or both? I'll get a vid next week maybe.
 
I didnt have problems with balance on my first try with push presses either. It kind of came naturally b/c if you would try to not to extend your ankels it will kill the momentum gained from hip and knee extensions (at least this is what I came up with thinking about it--> not an educated opinion ;) )
 
Protobuilder said:
I'm still curious about the coming up on your toes business. Bad b/c it shifts the center of gravity forward?
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Yes it is a bad idea to come up on your toes for two reasons:

1. Balance, when you are on your toes to do come forward and when you get really heavy you may lose the weight forward because of it.

2. Coming up on your toes takes away from the power and drive generated by your hips, you should push down through your heels like on a squat.

Coming up on your toes is also an indicator that you are trying to dip under the bar instead of having one quick motion through your hips and knees to create the drive.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Scotsman said:
Yes it is a bad idea to come up on your toes for two reasons:

1. Balance, when you are on your toes to do come forward and when you get really heavy you may lose the weight forward because of it.

2. Coming up on your toes takes away from the power and drive generated by your hips, you should push down through your heels like on a squat.

Coming up on your toes is also an indicator that you are trying to dip under the bar instead of having one quick motion through your hips and knees to create the drive.

Cheers,
Scotsman
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now it makes sense, thx
 
the hole thing just looks to herky jerky to me.looks like shit and a injery wateing to happen to.
I do the same exersize but I lift the hole bare then press it with no jumping moveing jerking or looking like I cant handle the wieght.

grab the bar dead lift it then lift it up to youre chest then over youre head with out all that jerking around shit.looooooooks like shit.
 
Scotsman said:
Yes it is a bad idea to come up on your toes for two reasons:

1. Balance, when you are on your toes to do come forward and when you get really heavy you may lose the weight forward because of it.

2. Coming up on your toes takes away from the power and drive generated by your hips, you should push down through your heels like on a squat.

Coming up on your toes is also an indicator that you are trying to dip under the bar instead of having one quick motion through your hips and knees to create the drive.

Cheers,
Scotsman
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what do you say then about getting on your toes for BTN push presses... obviously point 1 isn't an issue then, but what about 2?

needtogetas, i'm not sure what you mean by the whole thing looks like shit - except for a few small flaws as pointed out by SR, scotsman and T, those look pretty good. i like your power clean form peter, and as T said, the rack is really good too.
 
silver_shadow said:
what do you say then about getting on your toes for BTN push presses... obviously point 1 isn't an issue then, but what about 2?

needtogetas, i'm not sure what you mean by the whole thing looks like shit - except for a few small flaws as pointed out by SR, scotsman and T, those look pretty good. i like your power clean form peter, and as T said, the rack is really good too.
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just the hole dame exersize looks like shit.jerking weight around like that just cant be good for you.iam shore he is doing the exersize right but it still looks like shit.looks like a injery wateing to happen.

it would make more since to just do it nice and clean with no boncing and jerking around.just a nice clean lift.take the bar dead lift then bring it to the cheast then over the head with out bonceing around jerking or all that stuff.like I deadlift then a millaterypress.thats how I do it and with much more wieght then whats in the vidoe.

I just dont like the hole exercize and how its don.
 
That guy looks like shit. He's all over the place. Hell, he can't even handle the weight--it crushes him and he has to go all the way down into a squat position. And then he throws it overhead like a goon rather than strict pressing it. He's going to get injured doing that crazy shit. LoL
 
I really don't fucking get it. If you someone doing incline bench, do you say, "Yo man, you're supposed to bench on a flat bench." Or if they're doing front squats, you don't say, "Hey, um, squats are supposed to be done with the bar BEHIND your neck." So why the fuck would you tell someone doing push press that they should do a strict press instead?? THEY'RE TWO FUCKING DIFFERENT LIFTS. One uses leg drive and hip explosion. One does not. How fucking idiotic would it be to see someone doing strict military and tell them, "Hey buddy, you're supposed to be thrusting w/ your legs." You wouldn't. Because it's a different lift.

This is why I'm glad I lift at home. Alone. "You'll get injured with that crazy squatting with the bar on your chest!" Thanks for the advice. Now leave me alone. LoL
 
To clear up what I said, you don't want to stand on your toes with the bar locked out overhead, lol.........I can now see how this may be disastrous for some to try to do if they consciously try to do it and their timing is off.......just try to squat the bar off of you and through the gym ceiling, then lock out the last couple inches, push the bar up and not away from you, lock out the bar behind your head, try not to wear sneakers, and you should be okay.

Also, for anybody making a comparison to jerking, a jerk isn't a really fast push press....they are 2 separate pathways, in a jerk you drive your body under the bar.
 
Alright, I did some checking and think this is where the "on your toes" bit is coming from. You're supposed to push through the heel/mid-foot area rather than the toes b/c you don't want to START with the weight getting out in front or shifting your balance forward on a big weight. But as long as you're not starting out in front, you could come up on the toes as long as you're locking the bar out solidly behind you. The main thing is that the weight never shifts forward.

Maybe that's where I was getting confused. You don't want to start by pushing with the balls of your feet.
 
You're right proto, and I was re-reading my posts and I thought "shit, people better not think I mean to rise on the toes to move the weight".....you squat, super fast, just as you'd squat, to move the weight....so long as you don't push the bar away from you, and so long as you lock out BEHIND your head, and of course have a strong core, balance should be a non-issue
 
Protobuilder said:
I really don't fucking get it. If you someone doing incline bench, do you say, "Yo man, you're supposed to bench on a flat bench." Or if they're doing front squats, you don't say, "Hey, um, squats are supposed to be done with the bar BEHIND your neck." So why the fuck would you tell someone doing push press that they should do a strict press instead?? THEY'RE TWO FUCKING DIFFERENT LIFTS. One uses leg drive and hip explosion. One does not. How fucking idiotic would it be to see someone doing strict military and tell them, "Hey buddy, you're supposed to be thrusting w/ your legs." You wouldn't. Because it's a different lift.

This is why I'm glad I lift at home. Alone. "You'll get injured with that crazy squatting with the bar on your chest!" Thanks for the advice. Now leave me alone. LoL
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are you getting fucken mouthy with me.I shore and fuck hope not.
I just said I dont like the hole exersice.it fucken sucks much like you asshole.go ahead and make my fucken day.
 
silver_shadow said:
what do you say then about getting on your toes for BTN push presses... obviously point 1 isn't an issue then, but what about 2?
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Still a bad idea, as you lose the power in the drive for the push by not pushing through your heels. Also any time you are coming up on your toes balance is going to become an issue, just in BTN presses the weight will go behind instead of in front.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Scotsman said:
Still a bad idea, as you lose the power in the drive for the push by not pushing through your heels. Also any time you are coming up on your toes balance is going to become an issue, just in BTN presses the weight will go behind instead of in front.

Cheers,
Scotsman
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actually i wasn't talking about pushing through the toes, i do push through the heels but sometimes i push hard enough so by the time i'm approaching lockout or thereabouts i'll be up on my toes... anyway, i can see what you mean about the balance regardless. thanks bro.
 
i got a new vid with push presses in my log with less toe action...

what is the conclusion of the discussion?
ankle extension for momentum but not for the pressing?
 
I'm not an expert, but I'm convinced now that coming up on the toes is a natural finish to full extension. I tihnk you should start the thrust w/ the weight on your heels/midfoot area, and so long as you don't start by pushing w/ the balls of your feet, I think it's fine now to come up on your toes to complete the extension. After looking into it a little more, I think that by the time you reach the full extension and start to rise onto your toes, balance shouldn't be too much of an issue b/c the bar should be already moving behind your head and getting close to lock out.

I'd be damned interested to hear what Glenn P thinks. hint, hint LoL
 
Protobuilder said:
I'm not an expert, but I'm convinced now that coming up on the toes is a natural finish to full extension. I tihnk you should start the thrust w/ the weight on your heels/midfoot area, and so long as you don't start by pushing w/ the balls of your feet, I think it's fine now to come up on your toes to complete the extension. After looking into it a little more, I think that by the time you reach the full extension and start to rise onto your toes, balance shouldn't be too much of an issue b/c the bar should be already moving behind your head and getting close to lock out.

I'd be damned interested to hear what Glenn P thinks. hint, hint LoL
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lol, I havent got a feedback on my PPs yet but once he gets back to me I will spread his input. However, I remember him replying an earlier push presses thread here where he commented on a pp instructional video (with a teen girl in a garage) and said that this has been the best he has seen so far on the net...

maybe a plat can look it up for us
 
Oh, you mean this thread? LoL

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478252

Follow link in 2d post, and click push press video on the 'exercise' menu of the Xfit website. View the video, but don't drink the Kool-Aid. LoL The weight doesn't look heavy enough to cause her to really need much leg drive so it's not that great for our purposes, IMO. FWIW, she's not coming up on her toes and seems to be trying to do the same "jump" she does on the clean, slapping her feet flat onto the floor. Dunno.
 
silver_shadow said:
actually i wasn't talking about pushing through the toes, i do push through the heels but sometimes i push hard enough so by the time i'm approaching lockout or thereabouts i'll be up on my toes... anyway, i can see what you mean about the balance regardless. thanks bro.
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Ok gotcha, yes a lot of people will end up on their toes doing push presses, especially with sub-maximal weight. I try to keep my feet down when doing them to increae my stability on lockouts. When i am doing max weight I know for sure that I am not getting up on my toes.

Back on point, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing there, I took it to mean you were pushing through your toes.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Protobuilder said:
Oh, you mean this thread? LoL

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478252

Follow link in 2d post, and click push press video on the 'exercise' menu of the Xfit website. View the video, but don't drink the Kool-Aid. LoL The weight doesn't look heavy enough to cause her to really need much leg drive so it's not that great for our purposes, IMO. FWIW, she's not coming up on her toes and seems to be trying to do the same "jump" she does on the clean, slapping her feet flat onto the floor. Dunno.
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She has awesome form. But you are right it is super light weight for her. I don't think my leg movement is much more than hers when I PP, and on light weight I tend to slap my feet down a little, but they do come down flat. This is of course my personal preference, you need to find what works best for you.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
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