Is the groundfighting becoming obsolete?

[Kane Fan]

If any of the strikers your talking about stands up against an MMA fighter on the street like you say, if the MMA fighter is getting his ass kicked as far striking he will take the guy down period. Now the pure striker with no ground experience how is he going to handle a ground and pound on the street or with someone with Grappling background . BTW I have seen ground and pound on the street so is not just on the cage!!. As far as Dozens of fights if you are somewhat train in boxing or Kickboxer you have a better chance of beating the crap out of any old joe out there that never had any training and cant even throw punch so what your saying doesnt make sense. Where I train lots of street brawlers have come into my dojo and get in the ring they get their ass handed to them by guys who have been training for like a 1 year. But then again the street brawler have been in "DOZENS" of fights and some are even pretty good boxers but no ground experience. That proves a point

not really I promise if I hit a grappler (even a really good one) w/out a glove on he wont be thinking about taking me down he'll be thinking about crawling away or putting his hands in front of his face so I don't hit him again
this is a problem people have a rough time with
the biggest money is in boxing for the fight games
so your not going to find a great boxer in a mma event
and when you divide atention between ground and stand up like you should do to compete mixed your not as good at striking or the ground as you would be if you focused
you can compare mthai guys and boxers to mma strikers and see that very VERY few mma guys can do what the strikefocused guys do
and the ones that have those abilities, tend to dominate
yet there is very little money in straight grappling comps, which is why the best grapplers head to mixed, that's where the cash is
so to compare great grapplers against great strikers you can't effectilvy used the mixed scene to do it cus great grapplers wind up there, but very few great strikers bother going there
so it's like comparing the best the ground game has to offer, to whatever the standup fighters had left over and decided to send
a bit weighted don't you think?
the overall point I"m making here is if your a good striker and there is nothing covering your fist, there will be no time to 'take it to the ground period'

 

[Djimbe]

explain competititve fighting ruleset
you don't mean Judo competitions?
how do you list Judo as a Martial Art and not include what it offers as a Martial Art
in Judo's competition rules submissions are legal so even under what I would recongise as a competitive fighting ruleset the point is the same

Judo's Ruleset was DESIGNED to INTENTIONALY steer Schools away from focusing TOO much on the ground . Whatts so confusing about that ? 1-2 HALF Decent Throws on CONCRETE or TILE can END an opponents Threat to you . Tying yourself up on the ground can cause Neumerous Issues that CANT be overcome . Judo didnt start as a Sport ,it STARTEd as a more effective wa to Teach MA .

So yes , there IS a difference between Judo's Syllabus and its Competitive Ruileset . The THOUGHT is that people will Train HARDER tward the Competitions , and therefore their Development will be Partially Guided by those Perameters . Are you too clouded by the current Popularity of MMA events to think Historically ? Historically , if you hit the Ground in a Fight you were DEAD ! To this day youre still going to be in SERIOUS Jeopardy unless you only get in Fights in a Vaccuum , in Competitions or at the Dojo .

 

[Kane Fan]

no I'm too clouded by you saying your talking about the competitive ruleset not the martial art then changing your story to say your talking about the martial art and not the sport
pick
but either way you pick Judo has submission grappling inovlved and you implied that it did not
are you too clouded by whatever the hell your clouded by to keep your argument straight?

 

[Djimbe]

theres nothign thats Clouding me in any way .

You just want me to be talking about the JudoCurriculum when Im not , Im talking about the Competition Ruleset , an the way that ppl train twards Rulesets .

 

[kickboxer195]

not really I promise if I hit a grappler (even a really good one) w/out a glove on he wont be thinking about taking me down he'll be thinking about crawling away or putting his hands in front of his face so I don't hit him againthis is a problem people have a rough time with
the biggest money is in boxing for the fight games
so your not going to find a great boxer in a mma event
and when you divide atention between ground and stand up like you should do to compete mixed your not as good at striking or the ground as you would be if you focused
you can compare mthai guys and boxers to mma strikers and see that very VERY few mma guys can do what the strikefocused guys do
and the ones that have those abilities, tend to dominate
yet there is very little money in straight grappling comps, which is why the best grapplers head to mixed, that's where the cash is
so to compare great grapplers against great strikers you can't effectilvy used the mixed scene to do it cus great grapplers wind up there, but very few great strikers bother going there
so it's like comparing the best the ground game has to offer, to whatever the standup fighters had left over and decided to send
a bit weighted don't you think?
the overall point I"m making here is if your a good striker and there is nothing covering your fist, there will be no time to 'take it to the ground period'

Excellent post.

 

[AEKDB]

I just want to see if this rant will go to 3 pages.

 

[Kane Fan]

but the ruleset of Judo allows submissions
do you deny this?

 

[Kane Fan]

Excellent post.

to read me is to love me

 

[Djimbe]

but the ruleset of Judo allows submissions
do you deny this?

So do san shoul rules .

Come up with one in the 30-60 seconds youre allowed and youre the man now , dawg !Youre The Man Now , Dawg !

 

[Kane Fan]

? ok