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the-short-one said:
those chicks could wup your ass. lolol proly why you don't like them.
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see, that is one of the most common responses - something along the lines of one of these 'chicks' being able intimidate/physically harm/demasculinize some other man.

that's really not the case.

you could probably go to any local gym and find a number of guys who could out-lift and out-perform one of these freak-shows, even though they are "professionals"
 
the-short-one said:
you could be a cheerleader for team juicer. You'd look pretty hawt with one of those little skirts on. no panties.
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i am pretty fortunate. you should see my legs.
 
p0ink said:
see, that is one of the most common responses - something along the lines of one of these 'chicks' being able intimidate/physically harm/demasculinize some other man.

that's really not the case.

you could probably go to any local gym and find a number of guys who could out-lift and out-perform one of these freak-shows, even though they are "professionals"
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meh. you were stereotyping, so I jumped on the bandwagon.


I honestly feel that some men are intimidated by women with big muscles. Men want a woman to be soft and pliable -so they get their knickers in a twist when they see a girl with bigger biceps than them. it's a threat. Men like to dominate, and it's hard (mentally) to dominate a woman with muscles.

I agree that some women look very masculin with the use of AAS. I guarantee the didn't take roids to please any man. They did it to please themselves.
 
p0ink said:
it bothers me because they do it under the guise of health and fitness? hell, by your logic, we should all be fine with someone smoking rocks and giving head on the back of a bus, so long as it makes them happy.

let us all use musclemom's logic (or lack thereof)...whatever feels good must be intrinsically good.

so, go fuck your neighbors dog if that's what makes you feel good. go shoot the pizza delivery man for shits and giggles. drive on the wrong side of the freeway...so long as you feel this necessary for your own happiness and some sort of personal fulfillment.

and yeah, there are many, many guys who fall under the same category. however, it is not the men who are taking the OPPOSITE SEX's hormones.

that's the equivalent of guys wearing panties and pumps when they go to work.

but yeah, blur those gender lines. sweet.
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You're mixing metaphors and everything else, holy crap you call me illogical.

You're comparing steroid use to murder. You have issues, little boy, and the main one is that you really need to figure out why you are so badly threatened by women who use steroids.

And lemme tell ya something, Poink old chum, if dudes could double their benchpress by wearing garterbelts instead of shooting various oily substances into their bodies, there's plenty of them who would be ordering off the Victoria's secret website.

And as for men who wear panties and pumps to work ... obviously you've never heard of transvestites.
 
T-Matt said:
EQ!?!?!? Are you serious?!?! you know eq is essentially long acting dbol right? Guys like that deserve to shoot blanks and not recreate.. I'm glad he's beautiful because he certainly doesn't have a brain.
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I know some chicks that have run EQ at low dose it is not out of this world as a possible gear for chicks to run.
 
musclemom said:
You're mixing metaphors and everything else, holy crap you call me illogical.

You're comparing steroid use to murder. You have issues, little boy, and the main one is that you really need to figure out why you are so badly threatened by women who use steroids.

And lemme tell ya something, Poink old chum, if dudes could double their benchpress by wearing garterbelts instead of shooting various oily substances into their bodies, there's plenty of them who would be ordering off the Victoria's secret website.

And as for men who wear panties and pumps to work ... obviously you've never heard of transvestites.
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Pick3?
 
HumanTarget said:
Vanessa Del Rio. biggest clit this side of the Rio Grande. no pun...
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We should start a juicer porn company. I've never seen a movie with all juicers - good looking men and women juicers.
 
p0ink said:
see, i knew i was right to never suspect you of having penis envy. ;)
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lol, well for me... i have no need to use it. I don't powerlift professionally, so whatever I can lift naturally is fine with me, and if i'm going to chemically alter myself, i want to get high doing it.

plus.. the side effects don't interest me.
 
stilleto said:
lol, well for me... i have no need to use it. I don't powerlift professionally, so whatever I can lift naturally is fine with me, and if i'm going to chemically alter myself, i want to get high doing it.

plus.. the side effects don't interest me.
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ass stubble rocks.
 
T-Matt said:
EQ!?!?!? Are you serious?!?! you know eq is essentially long acting dbol right? Guys like that deserve to shoot blanks and not recreate.. I'm glad he's beautiful because he certainly doesn't have a brain.
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I had NO IDEA what it was. I just knew I was happy with my body the way that it was. I didn't feel I needed anything. He actually wanted to give me that and winny. Don't think he knew what the heck he was talking about.

Thank GOD I didn't just trust him and jump into that. He could have really messed me up. At least if people are going to do it, they better be damned sure the person giving them advice have worked with plenty of women before and know what the hell they are doing. Even then, people can have underlying health issues that no one but a medical doctor would know put them at serious risk.
 
heatherrae said:
I had NO IDEA what it was. I just knew I was happy with my body the way that it was. I didn't feel I needed anything. He actually wanted to give me that and winny. Don't think he knew what the heck he was talking about.

Thank GOD I didn't just trust him and jump into that. He could have really messed me up. At least if people are going to do it, they better be damned sure the person giving them advice have worked with plenty of women before and know what the hell they are doing. Even then, people can have underlying health issues that no one but a medical doctor would know put them at serious risk.
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He deserve to do a deca only cycle and have limp dick for 40 days and 40 nites.

You don't just give EQ or winny to your GIRLFRIEND to lose a couple inches off her stomach and tighten her thighs up.. damn

Yeah, thank god you actually exercised your brain
 
T-Matt said:
He deserve to do a deca only cycle and have limp dick for 40 days and 40 nites.

You don't just give EQ or winny to your GIRLFRIEND to lose a couple inches off her stomach and tighten her thighs up.. damn

Yeah, thank god you actually exercised your brain
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It is sad but a lot of guys do they don't know any better they know about juice for them but no clue about the ladies. Like I said I know of woman you have used EQ at an low dose no problems but all gear is user dependant.
 
T-Matt said:
He deserve to do a deca only cycle and have limp dick for 40 days and 40 nites.

You don't just give EQ or winny to your GIRLFRIEND to lose a couple inches off her stomach and tighten her thighs up.. damn

Yeah, thank god you actually exercised your brain
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Funny thing was, I was hard as a rock back then. I was very lean and athletic and had a 6 pack. I don't know why he felt that I needed anything. He used to love my butt and said I would be just like Marla Duncan with a little juice. He was always pushing me to squat some ridiculous amount just for one rep just so he could say to his friends, "look at this. You are not going to believe how much this little 100lb girl can squat." :rolleyes: Then, I just switched gyms so I didn't have to deal with him while I was working out. LOL. Damn squats felt like my spine was going to collapse...lol.
 
heatherrae said:
Funny thing was, I was hard as a rock back then. I was very lean and athletic and had a 6 pack. I don't know why he felt that I needed anything. He used to love my butt and said I would be just like Marla Duncan with a little juice. He was always pushing me to squat some ridiculous amount just for one rep just so he could say to his friends, "look at this. You are not going to believe how much this little 100lb girl can squat." :rolleyes: Then, I just switched gyms so I didn't have to deal with him while I was working out. LOL. Damn squats felt like my spine was going to collapse...lol.
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LOL.. why do guys have to complicate things? As long as you can defy gravity while you are on top riding me, what more could i demand from you physically?

Did he have a spatula physique? (you know, all upperbody, no legs?) was he one of those guys who lives his dreams through other people? Why do 1RMs with a 100lb girl? hearing your spine crack isn't hot, rubbing cocoa butter on your back while i'm tagging you from behind and fondling your breasts IS
 
stilleto said:
lol, well for me... i have no need to use it. I don't powerlift professionally, so whatever I can lift naturally is fine with me, and if i'm going to chemically alter myself, i want to get high doing it.

plus.. the side effects don't interest me.
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lol

You rock!
 
T-Matt said:
LOL.. why do guys have to complicate things? As long as you can defy gravity while you are on top riding me, what more could i demand from you physically?

Did he have a spatula physique? (you know, all upperbody, no legs?) was he one of those guys who lives his dreams through other people? Why do 1RMs with a 100lb girl? hearing your spine crack isn't hot, rubbing cocoa butter on your back while i'm tagging you from behind and fondling your breasts IS
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He used to compete in natty bb. he swore he was all natty. He had the best abs I've ever seen on anyone and never had to do a single ab exercise, ever. He had big quads and hams, but his calves lagged behind (genetically he was naturally very, very thin). He looked pretty damned good, though. Only his calves lagged behind. The rest was pretty well balanced.

When he first met me he practically worshipped me and my bod. Then he met some guys who had bb girlfriends, and something in him snapped where he wanted me to be like them, I guess. I liked those gals, but I really just wasn't into that.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
It is sad but a lot of guys do they don't know any better they know about juice for them but no clue about the ladies. Like I said I know of woman you have used EQ at an low dose no problems but all gear is user dependant.
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Most guys are idiots, no doubt.. "hey dawg where can i get some clommit or some trenbologne.. I heard that clambutteral really cuts you up. know where ican get some? HUH DO YA?!?"


I'd rather see a woman first give primo and/or anavar a try first.. Or masteron.. :)

How much was the typical dosage? 100-150mg/wk??
 
superqt4u2nv said:
It is sad but a lot of guys do they don't know any better they know about juice for them but no clue about the ladies. Like I said I know of woman you have used EQ at an low dose no problems but all gear is user dependant.
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yeah, i think if you are going to take something, educate, educate, educate yourself. I certainly wouldn't just take the word of a man who has never worked with women before.
 
no, not calories...money.

buying fresh fruit daily can get quite expensive.

i like 'expensive' fruit.
 
p0ink said:
no, not calories...money.

buying fresh fruit daily can get quite expensive.

i like 'expensive' fruit.
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I like papaya and pomegranant juice........mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
i life strawberries...a lot. however, i am not about to spend $4 a package + $6 for pineapple + whatever the going rate is for peaches.

that's a pricey smoothie.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
IN BB I would agree even to a degree fitness but I can honestly say that some figure girls if they have the right genetics do not require juice. Look at Jessica Paxson as an example I have seen her say she is natural and to be honest I would believe she is. I am not say that is the majority more the minority but it is possible to compete in figure and be natural.
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QT - I am not going to debate this issue. I remember when I first came to the boards 6+ years ago having the "natural" debate and it is silly. The natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron. One lifts weights with repetitive motions to affect the size and shape of their musle bellies = nothing natural about that.

Once you go past local level in bodybuilding ALL THE WOMEN USE GEAR - PERIOD.

There is NO WAY humanly possible for a woman to do fitness, put such great demands on her body at such low bf% without the use of some sort of chemical assistance.

If women like Monica Brandt are doing figure you can bet your bottom dollar that in order for ANY woman to be competitive they must use gear or some other form of supplementation ie growth hormone, novaldex, lasix, etc...

I laughed my ass off when back in the day a woman on the women's forum had THE AUDACITY to claim she was natty because she never used anabolics but she DID use novaldex to help get the water off her lower body to compete. WTF was natural about that?

Dont be naive girl. ANY fitness model (MALE OR FEMALE) who is actually making money (and not just "getting pics for their portfolio")... by the way there is little to NO MONEY in fitness modeling... is using some sort of fat burner, something to suck water out or something to help maintain his/her mass while dieting and doing cardio to attain and maintain a certain appearance.

Anabolics are not legal so, OF COURSE, most will not readily admit to use, especially if their faces are public.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
QT - I am not going to debate this issue. I remember when I first came to the boards 6+ years ago having the "natural" debate and it is silly. The natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron. One lifts weights with repetitive motions to affect the size and shape of their musle bellies = nothing natural about that.

Once you go past local level in bodybuilding ALL THE WOMEN USE GEAR - PERIOD.

There is NO WAY humanly possible for a woman to do fitness, put such great demands on her body at such low bf% without the use of some sort of chemical assistance.

If women like Monica Brandt are doing figure you can bet your bottom dollar that in order for ANY woman to be competitive they must use gear or some other form of supplementation ie growth hormone, novaldex, lasix, etc...

I laughed my ass off when back in the day a woman on the women's forum had THE AUDACITY to claim she was natty because she never used anabolics but she DID use novaldex to help get the water off her lower body to compete. WTF was natural about that?

Dont be naive girl. ANY fitness model (MALE OR FEMALE) who is actually making money (and not just "getting pics for their portfolio")... by the way there is little to NO MONEY in fitness modeling... is using some sort of fat burner, something to suck water out or something to help maintain his/her mass while dieting and doing cardio to attain and maintain a certain appearance.

Anabolics are not legal so, OF COURSE, most will not readily admit to use, especially if their faces are public.
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werd.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
QT - I am not going to debate this issue. I remember when I first came to the boards 6+ years ago having the "natural" debate and it is silly. The natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron. One lifts weights with repetitive motions to affect the size and shape of their musle bellies = nothing natural about that.

Once you go past local level in bodybuilding ALL THE WOMEN USE GEAR - PERIOD.

There is NO WAY humanly possible for a woman to do fitness, put such great demands on her body at such low bf% without the use of some sort of chemical assistance.

If women like Monica Brandt are doing figure you can bet your bottom dollar that in order for ANY woman to be competitive they must use gear or some other form of supplementation ie growth hormone, novaldex, lasix, etc...

I laughed my ass off when back in the day a woman on the women's forum had THE AUDACITY to claim she was natty because she never used anabolics but she DID use novaldex to help get the water off her lower body to compete. WTF was natural about that?

Dont be naive girl. ANY fitness model (MALE OR FEMALE) who is actually making money (and not just "getting pics for their portfolio")... by the way there is little to NO MONEY in fitness modeling... is using some sort of fat burner, something to suck water out or something to help maintain his/her mass while dieting and doing cardio to attain and maintain a certain appearance.

Anabolics are not legal so, OF COURSE, most will not readily admit to use, especially if their faces are public.
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Hmmmm...that is interesting. I guess part of it depends on what you call "natural" By natural, I always meant that no illegal supplements are used. I never counted fat burners in as being not natural. If that is the case, I was not natural for a few years, either.

I guess it partially has to do with definition of the term "natural."
 
heatherrae said:
Hmmmm...that is interesting. I guess part of it depends on what you call "natural" By natural, I always meant that no illegal supplements are used. I never counted fat burners in as being not natural. If that is the case, I was not natural for a few years, either.

I guess it partially has to do with definition of the term "natural."
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natural, IMO - is what you're born with. as soon as you start taking fat burners, creatine, otc "anabolics" (Haladrol 50 and crap like that), AAS, etc you've enhanced yourself.
 
heatherrae said:
Hmmmm...that is interesting. I guess part of it depends on what you call "natural" By natural, I always meant that no illegal supplements are used. I never counted fat burners in as being not natural. If that is the case, I was not natural for a few years, either.

I guess it partially has to do with definition of the term "natural."
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Exactly - Human Growth Hormone. It is not illegal, is it? It grows you muscle if you take it while training like a fiend and eating right. But is it NATURAL?

Come on people.

WAKE UP AND GET A CLUE. :)
 
the-short-one said:
natural, IMO - is what you're born with. as soon as you start taking fat burners, creatine, otc "anabolics" (Haladrol 50 and crap like that), AAS, etc you've enhanced yourself.
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WERD
 
the-short-one said:
natural, IMO - is what you're born with. as soon as you start taking fat burners, creatine, otc "anabolics" (Haladrol 50 and crap like that), AAS, etc you've enhanced yourself.
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I see.

BTW, I didn't know you could get otc anabolics. ??? I need to read other forums more...lol.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Exactly - Human Growth Hormone. It is not illegal, is it? It grows you muscle if you take it while training like a fiend and eating right. But is it NATURAL?

Come on people.

WAKE UP AND GET A CLUE. :)
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No, I see your point. However, now I'm wondering in the "natty" competitions, I know some or all of those people do stuff and then quit before the show to pass a drug screen. However, do they define natty as not using anything? In other words, if they found fat burners and creatine in your system, would that disqualify them as natural?

I didn't even know that HGH was legal except for use in cancer patients and the like. Shows how much I know...lol. I'm just absorbing here.
 
the-short-one said:
I believe the proper phrase is Estrogen Gladiators Unite!

(that's a Sassyism)
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if i wanted things to get fuzzy in here, i'd ask y'all to take off yer pants.... :)
 
the-short-one said:
natural, IMO - is what you're born with. as soon as you start taking fat burners, creatine, otc "anabolics" (Haladrol 50 and crap like that), AAS, etc you've enhanced yourself.
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So herbs would make you no longer natural?

Amino acids which are already found in your body, not natural?

I don't know, it's not like it's hormone therapy.

But I suppose everyone makes their own distinctions on what is "natural" and what isn't.

By your definition, taking a simple vitamin means you are no longer "natural".
 
heatherrae said:
No, I see your point. However, now I'm wondering in the "natty" competitions, I know some or all of those people do stuff and then quit before the show to pass a drug screen. However, do they define natty as not using anything? In other words, if they found fat burners and creatine in your system, would that disqualify them as natural?

I didn't even know that HGH was legal except for use in cancer patients and the like. Shows how much I know...lol. I'm just absorbing here.
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otc 'anabolics' - used to be what the prohormones were. Now you occassionally get new products that haven't been caught by the fed govt yet. And everyone is finding a way to get around the current regulations for what is a scheduled compound and what isn't.

'natty' competitions - depends on the federation and the quality of their testing. Some require you to demonstrate clean for 7 yrs. Some do very cheese 'lie detector' type testing which is very easy to get around, and then the actually chemically tested shows that people can schedule their cycles around. You can pretty much guess who uses and who doesn't at show time and also if they were usign any anti-estrogens or anything else - esp in women because of the very individual fat depositing detendencies (estrogen driven) -- very hard for a natty female to lean out evenly - top & bottom and not look strange.

gh - i doubt cancer patients would get gh - it promotes cell growth - including tumors.
 
Sassy69 said:
otc 'anabolics' - used to be what the prohormones were. Now you occassionally get new products that haven't been caught by the fed govt yet. And everyone is finding a way to get around the current regulations for what is a scheduled compound and what isn't.

'natty' competitions - depends on the federation and the quality of their testing. Some require you to demonstrate clean for 7 yrs. Some do very cheese 'lie detector' type testing which is very easy to get around, and then the actually chemically tested shows that people can schedule their cycles around. You can pretty much guess who uses and who doesn't at show time and also if they were usign any anti-estrogens or anything else - esp in women because of the very individual fat depositing detendencies (estrogen driven) -- very hard for a natty female to lean out evenly - top & bottom and not look strange.

gh - i doubt cancer patients would get gh - it promotes cell growth - including tumors.
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I see. thanks for the info. Just curious. It is so hush hush that you can't usually just ask people. My trainer at the last gym used to claim she was natural but she competed in bb and was quite successful. I think she was fibbing to me, but I certainly didn't push her to tell me. I actually never asked her, she just told me one day that she was natural. I don't know much about it, really.
 
sardonicone said:
So herbs would make you no longer natural?

Amino acids which are already found in your body, not natural?

I don't know, it's not like it's hormone therapy.

But I suppose everyone makes their own distinctions on what is "natural" and what isn't.

By your definition, taking a simple vitamin means you are no longer "natural".
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basically, yeah.

anything used to enhance your body and health. if it's not in there already, it's not natural.
 
p0ink said:
no, not calories...money.

buying fresh fruit daily can get quite expensive.

i like 'expensive' fruit.
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It's crazy - I know.

$5 for two handfuls of blueberries :rolleyes:

I went to the market the other day and left with $85 in veggies and apples.

That's probably why the US as a whole are fat slobs - it's cost $$$ TO EAT HEALTHY.
 
the-short-one said:
basically, yeah.

anything used to enhance your body and health. if it's not in there already, it's not natural.
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So technically there shouldn't be natural competitions at all then. Lifting weights changes your body. Drinking a glass of wine alters the protiens by and large within your body (a pleasent experience for drinkers of course, but not for people trying to stay "natural")...

For that matter, food itself can be used to enhance your body and health.

In fact, it's been proven that the lack of food causes, well, death.
 
the-short-one said:
basically, yeah.

anything used to enhance your body and health. if it's not in there already, it's not natural.
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So my prenatal vitamins would mean that I'm not "natural?" I think that is probably pushing it, don't you?

Maybe anything that enhances the physique could be considered not "natural."

I mean we are talking about "juicing" here, right. (title of the thread/not my title) Idon't think I would consider vitamins, fat burners, or creatine as being "juice." If so, wouldn't all that canned tuna be not "natural" too, being that it enhances the physique?

Where to draw the line I guess is the issue.
 
velvett said:
It's crazy - I know.

$5 for two handfuls of blueberries :rolleyes:

I went to the market the other day and left with $85 in veggies and apples.

That's probably why the US as a whole are fat slobs - it's cost $$$ TO EAT HEALTHY.
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I agree....

My grocery bill is crazy trying to cook for a family of four.
 
sardonicone said:
So technically there shouldn't be natural competitions at all then. Lifting weights changes your body. Drinking a glass of wine alters the protiens by and large within your body (a pleasent experience for drinkers of course, but not for people trying to stay "natural")...

For that matter, food itself can be used to enhance your body and health.

In fact, it's been proven that the lack of food causes, well, death.
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NATURAL BODYBUILDING IS AN OXYMORON.
 
sardonicone said:
So technically there shouldn't be natural competitions at all then. Lifting weights changes your body. Drinking a glass of wine alters the protiens by and large within your body (a pleasent experience for drinkers of course, but not for people trying to stay "natural")...

For that matter, food itself can be used to enhance your body and health.

In fact, it's been proven that the lack of food causes, well, death.
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always going to the extreme.


I think the work 'natural' when used for a bb contest is pretty loose. Everyone knows it and goes along with it, anyway. It's just funny to listen to people who get up on their soap box to preach about "natural" when they've been taking Haladrol 50, creatine, ephedra, etc.

The gov't tried to ban creatine, btw. lolol
 
i'm eating ribs. the ribs of a dead animal. don't even know what kind. but what i do know is that they're DEE-lishus. and i thank the government for making such good chemicals to make my tasty ribs so tasty.
 
heatherrae said:
So my prenatal vitamins would mean that I'm not "natural?" I think that is probably pushing it, don't you?

Maybe anything that enhances the physique could be considered not "natural."

I mean we are talking about "juicing" here, right. (title of the thread/not my title) Idon't think I would consider vitamins, fat burners, or creatine as being "juice." If so, wouldn't all that canned tuna be not "natural" too, being that it enhances the physique?

Where to draw the line I guess is the issue.
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I like how I get called out on this and you echo my statment and don't.

Man, it must be awesome to have a vagina at times like these.

BIKINIMOM said:
NATURAL BODYBUILDING IS AN OXYMORON.
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Apparently, NATURAL ANYTHING IS AN OXYMORON.

Sorry, I felt left out and decided to type in all caps as well.

the-short-one said:
always going to the extreme.


I think the work 'natural' when used for a bb contest is pretty loose. Everyone knows it and goes along with it, anyway. It's just funny to listen to people who get up on their soap box to preach about "natural" when they've been taking Haladrol 50, creatine, ephedra, etc.

The gov't tried to ban creatine, btw. lolol
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I wasn't going to the extreme, I was repeating back what you told me.

As for creatine, I know, in the mid 1990's. The government does a lot of things that are moronic. That's why they are the government.

And I have no one getting on a soap boxe and preaching they are natural if they do 2 out of those 3 items.

I don't know what's in haladrol, so I can't comment on that.
 
people should be free to make thier own choices. it is thier body, let em do what they want to
I can tell when a woman is on the shit, it is pretty blatantly obvious.
 
Wulfgar said:
people should be free to make thier own choices. it is thier body, let em do what they want to
I can tell when a woman is on the shit, it is pretty blatantly obvious.
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I agree. just soaking up the info here. Curious and people often won't tell you the truth. That is all.
 
sardonicone said:
I like how I get called out on this and you echo my statment and don't.

Man, it must be awesome to have a vagina at times like these.




Apparently, NATURAL ANYTHING IS AN OXYMORON.

Sorry, I felt left out and decided to type in all caps as well.




I wasn't going to the extreme, I was repeating back what you told me.

As for creatine, I know, in the mid 1990's. The government does a lot of things that are moronic. That's why they are the government.

And I have no one getting on a soap boxe and preaching they are natural if they do 2 out of those 3 items.

I don't know what's in haladrol, so I can't comment on that.
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LOL We are talking about bodybuilding here. There is NOTHING natural about that. Hence, the oxymoron.
 
heatherrae said:
I agree. just soaking up the info here. Curious and people often won't tell you the truth. That is all.
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Go to the women's forum. No bullshit, no myths, no drama - straight up exchange of information.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. :)
 
heatherrae said:
I agree. just soaking up the info here. Curious and people often won't tell you the truth. That is all.
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I normally tell people when I am on. Frankly it is very seldomly
I actually havent touched AAS in a year next month. I only do small burst cycles in prep for shows. Just my preference. i know people that get away with NEVER coming off.
 
HumanTarget said:
i'm eating ribs. the ribs of a dead animal. don't even know what kind. but what i do know is that they're DEE-lishus. and i thank the government for making such good chemicals to make my tasty ribs so tasty.
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ROFL!
 
Wulfgar said:
when one decides to don the mighty posing trunks, oil himself up and stand onstage
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Either that or they have taken up stripping...lol.
 
sardonicone said:
AT one point does lifting become bodybuilding?
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It is from the beginning. It is that simple. When one lifts weights repetitively to affect the size and shape of their muscles they have gone onto doing something that is unnatural.

The only reason that accurate information about anabolics and other agents is so difficult to come by is because they are illegal. It wasn't that way before the 80's. So when was "natural" bodybuilding born?
 
BIKINIMOM said:
It is from the beginning. It is that simple. When one lifts weights repetitively to affect the size and shape of their muscles they have gone onto doing something that is unnatural.

The only reason that accurate information about anabolics and other agents is so difficult to come by is because they are illegal. It wasn't that way before the 80's. So when was "natural" bodybuilding born?
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People have been lifting weights for quite some time.

So it's never been natural? To excersize to enhance ones abilities?

What if they found this behavior in other animals, would it be considered "natural" then?
 
And I have no one getting on a soap boxe and preaching they are natural if they do 2 out of those 3 items.

I don't know what's in haladrol, so I can't comment on that.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't talking about you and your soapbox - I was aiming the comment more at the example bikinimom gave about the women taking nolvadex.

I understand where you're coming from, and I have no urge to try and change your mind regarding women and AAS. As I've said - it's a preference. Nothing more.
 
sardonicone said:
People have been lifting weights for quite some time.

So it's never been natural? To excersize to enhance ones abilities?

What if they found this behavior in other animals, would it be considered "natural" then?
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What does this have to do with animals?

There have been strongmen around for quite some time. They were sideshow acts at the circus. LMFAO You know, next to the bearded lady. Who knows? Maybe they were using the same stuff! hehehehee
 
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Wulfgar said:
which is which?>
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Question is a little off topic, but I'm curious. Would you say that most bb'er, fitness competitors, figure competitors, etc. SPEND more on trunks, entry fees, gear, supplements, etc than they ever earn? I have always guessed that only a handful make any money at it after expenses. True or not true?
 
heatherrae said:
Question is a little off topic, but I'm curious. Would you say that most bb'er, fitness competitors, figure competitors, etc. SPEND more on trunks, entry fees, gear, supplements, etc than they ever earn? I have always guessed that only a handful make any money at it after expenses. True or not true?
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wimmins wear suits. mens wear trunks.

the answer to your questions is yes. wimmins usually spend a lot more than they ever earn. unless they snag a sponsor.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
QT - I am not going to debate this issue. I remember when I first came to the boards 6+ years ago having the "natural" debate and it is silly. The natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron. One lifts weights with repetitive motions to affect the size and shape of their musle bellies = nothing natural about that.

Once you go past local level in bodybuilding ALL THE WOMEN USE GEAR - PERIOD.

There is NO WAY humanly possible for a woman to do fitness, put such great demands on her body at such low bf% without the use of some sort of chemical assistance.

If women like Monica Brandt are doing figure you can bet your bottom dollar that in order for ANY woman to be competitive they must use gear or some other form of supplementation ie growth hormone, novaldex, lasix, etc...

I laughed my ass off when back in the day a woman on the women's forum had THE AUDACITY to claim she was natty because she never used anabolics but she DID use novaldex to help get the water off her lower body to compete. WTF was natural about that?

Dont be naive girl. ANY fitness model (MALE OR FEMALE) who is actually making money (and not just "getting pics for their portfolio")... by the way there is little to NO MONEY in fitness modeling... is using some sort of fat burner, something to suck water out or something to help maintain his/her mass while dieting and doing cardio to attain and maintain a certain appearance.

Anabolics are not legal so, OF COURSE, most will not readily admit to use, especially if their faces are public.
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It all depends on what you think natural is I was referring my example to steriods and GH.
 
my testes are rather small, from the juicing. but in a way, i'm glad. cuz if i had big, swollen, pendulous balls, my quads would grind them up like a bowl & pestle.
 
the-short-one said:
wimmins wear suits. mens wear trunks.

the answer to your questions is yes. wimmins usually spend a lot more than they ever earn. unless they snag a sponsor.
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Yes, I've seen those suits. Some people spend upwards of $2k on those one piece suits with all the rhinestones and stuff. I DONT GET spending that much on those. Seems an insane price for a bedazzled bathing suit...lol.
 
heatherrae said:
Question is a little off topic, but I'm curious. Would you say that most bb'er, fitness competitors, figure competitors, etc. SPEND more on trunks, entry fees, gear, supplements, etc than they ever earn? I have always guessed that only a handful make any money at it after expenses. True or not true?
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There are VERY FEW who ever earn a cent. And by the time they do, they are so far in debt for what they had to spend to get there... good Lord. If you all only knew the truth. Unless you are backed by Wieder (or some other big name) the most a lot of peeps get as in "sponsorship" is free MRP and a jacket with the company name on it which will hardly begin to pay for one cycle. LOL
 
heatherrae said:
Yes, I've seen those suits. Some people spend upwards of $2k on those one piece suits with all the rhinestones and stuff. I DONT GET spending that much on those. Seems an insane price for a bedazzled bathing suit...lol.
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my name is Earl....omg the Bedazzler....i have a dime sized spot of piss in my scrubs now, i lol'ed so hard....
 
heatherrae said:
Yes, I've seen those suits. Some people spend upwards of $2k on those one piece suits with all the rhinestones and stuff. I DONT GET spending that much on those. Seems an insane price for a bedazzled bathing suit...lol.
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Figure is uber expensive:

shoes
2 sparkly suits
hair extensions
makeup
tanning
jewelry
cutting drugs
travel/hotels
sharp instruments in which to stab other competitors


fitness involves this and a costume. bb is a little less expensive, but not much. plus, bbers just knock other chicks out. we don't stab them.
 
the-short-one said:
Figure is uber expensive:

shoes
2 sparkly suits
hair extensions
makeup
tanning
jewelry
cutting drugs
travel/hotels
sharp instruments in which to stab other competitors


fitness involves this and a costume. bb is a little less expensive, but not much. plus, bbers just knock other chicks out. we don't stab them.
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I just literally busted out laughing.
 
HumanTarget said:
my testes are rather small, from the juicing. but in a way, i'm glad. cuz if i had big, swollen, pendulous balls, my quads would grind them up like a bowl & pestle.
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HAHHAHAHAA

:chomp:
 
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