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Is it all worth it?

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Nelson Montana said:


Think about it Juice. For a while, you and I went at it on a consistant basis. You were hell bent on breaking my balls. Then we straightened it out and everything was cool. I think that shows a compusive personality but it also shows that you can turn things around. If you really want your marraige to work out you have to convince your wife that you're willing to change a few things. But don't go obsessive in the other direction and give everything up! Bodybuilding and juicing isn't the problem. Neglecting your family is.

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I do have a compulsive personality disorder at least according to everyone that knows me, PHD's included.
 
J.A. If i remember right your wife is pregnant, Shes going through some hormonal changes also. She was going to throw your proviron away two weeks ago because she loves you. I hope some serious ass kissing get you through this.Next time dont rent to a family member
 
Wrongun said:
JA i am sorry to hear about your situation but try this as it helped me with the mood swings and the Physiological Side Effects of AS which are very true and do effect relationships.

There is however a therapy being used by many athletes (due IMHO to increased usage of AS) it is called:
Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy.(CBT)

CBT is a form of psychotherapy that emphasizes the important role of thinking in how we feel and what we do. Cognitive-behavioral therapist teach that when our brains are healthy, it is our thinking that causes us to feel and act the way we do. Therefore, if we are experiencing unwanted feelings and behaviors, it is important to identify the thinking that is causing the feelings / behaviors and to learn how to replace this thinking with thoughts that lead to more desirable reactions.

There are several approaches to cognitive-behavioral therapy, including Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, Rational Behavior Therapy, Rational Living Therapy, Cognitive Therapy, and Dialectic Behavior Therapy.

However, most cognitive-behavioral therapies have the following characteristics:

1. CBT is based on the Cognitive Model of Emotional Response.
Cognitive-behavioral therapy is based on the scientific fact that our thoughts
cause our feels and behaviors, not external things, like people, situations, and
events. The benefit of this fact is that we can change the way we think to
feel / act better even if the situation has not changed. .
3. A sound therapeutic relationship is necessary for effective therapy, but
not the focus.
Some forms of therapy assume that the main reason people get better in
therapy is because of the positive relationship between the therapist and
client. Cognitive-behavioral therapists believe it is important to have a good,
trusting relationship, but that is not enough. CBT therapists believe that the
client changes when they learn to think differently; therefore, CBT therapists
focus on teaching rational self-counseling skills.
4. CBT is a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client.
Cognitive-behavioral therapist seek to learn what their clients want out of life
(their goals) and then help their clients achieve those goals. The therapist's
role is to listen, teach, and encourage, while the client's roles is to speak,
learn, and implement what they learn.
5. CBT is based on stoic philosophy.
Cognitive-behavioral therapy does not tell people how to feel. However, most
people seeking therapy do not want to feel they way they do. CBT teaches
the benefits of feeling, at worst, calm when confronted with undesirable
situations. It also emphasizes the fact that we have our undesirable situations
whether we are upset about them or not. If we are upset about our problems,
we have two problems -- the problem, and our upset about it. Most sane
people want to have the fewest number of problems possible.

6. CBT uses the Socratic Method.
Cognitive-behavioral therapists want to gain a very good understanding of
their clients concerns. That's why they often ask questions. They also
encourage their clients to ask questions of themselves, like, "How do I
really know that those people are laughing at me?" "Could they be laughing
about something else?"

7. CBT is structured and directive.
Cognitive-behavioral therapists have a specific agenda for each session.
Specific techniques / concepts are taught during each session. CBT
focuses on helping the client achieve the goals they have set. CBT is
directive in that respect. However, CBT therapists do not tell their clients
what to do -- rather, they teach their clients how to do.

8. CBT is based on an educational model.
CBT is based on the scientifically supported assumption that most emotional
and behavioral reactions are learned. Therefore, the goal of therapy is to
help clients unlearn their unwanted reactions and to learn a new way of
reacting. While CBT therapists do not present themselves as "know-it-alls",
the assumption is that if clients knew what the therapist had to teach them,
the clients would not have the emotional / behavioral problems they are
experiencing.

Therefore, CBT has nothing to do with "just talking". People can "just talk"
with anyone.

The educational emphasis of CBT has an additional benefit -- it leads to
long term results. When people understand how and why they are doing
well, they can continue doing what they are doing to make themselves well.

9. CBT theory and techniques rely on the Inductive Method.
A central aspect of Rational thinking is that it is based on fact, not simply
our assumptions made. Often, we upset ourselves about things when, in
fact, the situation isn't like we thought it was. Had we known that, we would
not have wasted our time upsetting ourselves.

Therefore, the inductive method encourages us to look at our thoughts as
being hypotheses that can be questioned and tested. If we find that our
hypotheses are incorrect (because we have new information), then we can
change our thinking to be in line with how the situation really is.

There are over 25 very common mental mistakes that people make that cause
them to not have the facts straight.

Hope you find this useful

Wrongun!

That's me!
 
satchboogie said:
good advice mavy..

juice... addicitive personalities destroy lives.. not juice!

good luck my man.

And AAS is not addictive????
 
needsize said:
I consider myself pretty damn obsessed when it comes to bodybuilder, but I still do my best to make sure it doesnt interfere with my family. That takes my wife meeting me on a middle ground somewhere, which I appreciate more than I can express, but I still dont let it completely rule my life. Like the other guys said, its about priorities bro, you can still achieve a hella impressive physique, and still have time for everything else that is important

I wish I could do the same and yopu're much more into BBing than I am.
 
You are sounding pretty down bro. You should really get off the juice, and go somewhere to think, or someone to talk to and get your priorities straightened out before this goes into a downward spiral.
 
Mavy said:


Very true Satch ... dont blame it on the juice. Rec drugs ... gambling, its all the same.

I thought that I remembered you saying that you had a problem with rec drugs as well. You have to stay in control bro. Once you start to slip and loose control .... your fucked bro! You can loose it all. This has happened to a few of my close friends and my brother as well. You just gotta stay in control ... you cant be "owned" by any kinda substance or habbit. You have to watch it though as it does become a personallity. Often it takes others to see this in you ... you wont recognize it.

Mavy


I was an chronic alcoholic and drug addict for years, went to several detoxes, and have been "sober" excluding AAS for almost 4 years.
 
Laser0001 said:
J.A. If i remember right your wife is pregnant, Shes going through some hormonal changes also. She was going to throw your proviron away two weeks ago because she loves you. I hope some serious ass kissing get you through this.Next time dont rent to a family member

She had an early pregnancy miscarriage but I never posted about it. She was 5 weeks into her pregnancy when she started her period.
 
It is easy to abuse something that gives us such incredible results. I often at times want to run a cycle here and there but then I stop and think about the big picture. I have limited myself to 1-2 cycles a year and each cycle is no longer than 8 weeks and only use low doses and single compounds.

You CAN make gains naturally they just come at a slower pace. Also I feel that when I am off a cycle I manipulate my diet and training more to make those natural gains. You MUST have faith in your training and nutrition.

You should talk things over with the lady and tell her what is on your mind and that you want to get help so you can straighten things out. Hope this helped
 
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