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IS bench pressing worth it??

WanTtoBeDeisel

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just thought id take a survey of how many people do barbell bench presses. My chest has always been my lagging body part. I've tried EVERYTHING, and trust me EVERYTHING to get it to grow. i have to say that I've made improvements over the years...less then i'd hoped but improvements nonetheless. but I've stayed away from barbell bench pressing because it used to do nothing for my chest, I've always felt it in my shoulders more than anything.

do you guys who just lift for bodybuilding purposes like benching? i know that it is a must if you are a power lifter, but that i am not. I'm wondering what some of you armor plated chest guys do for chest exercises, and if you are fans of the almighty bench press.
 
Well i think bench pressing is essential, not only is it a great mass building exercise but it remains the ultimate test of strenght.
 
I agree that the bench press is essential to upper body development, however it doesn't always need to be with a barbell. Try switching things up a bit. Sometimes I use a barbell, and sometimes I use dumbbells. My current routine is incline dumbbell presses, flat bench barbell presses, and incline flyes. The use of dumbbells allows me to incorporate slight variations that really hammer my chest......such as twisting the dumbbells to be parallel with my torso when lowering, and then twisting them back to perpendicular with my torso on the upward movement. When I keep my muscles guessing, I keep growing.
 
I don't concentrate too much on Barbell flat bench or dumbell flat bench, for that matter. It's usually last in my routine, I start with incline barbell, decline, shaping movements and then burn out my chest with flat bench maybe once/ month. I think it's over-rated.
 
I have done both bodybuilding and Power lifting and the flat bench is not nessecary for chest size. With some body styles as those with long arms the flat bench will do little for chest size.
 
long arms here...

I hear you on the no pump from bench press. I have long arms and I hate looking at those short-armed guys putting up the big bench and curling a ton of weight. On the other hand I walk away from them on powercleans and hang cleans!

I agree, switch up the chest lifts and you will see some changes in your chest.
 
The bench press is a worthless exercise.

Sorry, but I can't disagree more that it's a true test of strength. The military press, squat, deadlift, power cleans and even pushups to failure are all better baraometers of strength.

The BP is a glamour move. It feels good. It's also the reason for more blown out shoulders than any other exercise.

Think Greg Titus as a good chest? He doesn't bench. How about Vince Girondas sweeping pecs that look like a gladiators steel suit? Never benched.

The pecs are usually easy to develop because they're made up of mostly white fibers. If you 're having trouble building it, you probably always will. Consider yourself lucky. Most bodybuidlers over develop the chest to the point where they have bulbous hanging tits.

The absolute best exercise for the chest is the forward dip. (Dips hunched forwad with the feet in front) Anyone can build a good chest with enough of those.
 
Rock on Nelson! I agree with you 100% on this. I know a former IFBB guy and the dude never benches as he says it's terrible for the shoulders. Yeah, I have long ass arms too and I hate seeing those short fuckers benching heavy.

I ripped my rotator cuff last year and have to be extra careful not to mess up the doc's good work, so I rarely bench. But, I have a good chest. I guess it's from pushups to failure, light flys to failure and beyond, and some dips hit it too.
 
Bench Presses are great if you don't have shoulder problems. I have been doing them for years with no problems. I think they are a great overall builder, along with squat and deadlift.

I have met many people who have injured themselves though. Almost every person who hurt themselves, that I know, was trying to do a 1 rep max.

I would say if you feel shoulder pain there are other ways to build chest. No pain then why not do them.

IMO, unless one has inherent shoulder issues, one should not get injured using moderate weight.
 
I love benching, i look forward to chest day specifically for it. It feels awesome to smash a personal best.

When i call it the ultimate test of strenght i mean to say it is most recognized, people always ask you "Whats your bench" not "whats your squat" when chatting in the gym.
 
I used to do bench all the time until my shoulder started bothering me. Then I switched to dumbells. I think I get a better workout with them. Sometimes I don't do any kind of bench at all and just do flys, pec deck, and cable crossovers. I like the feeling that I get from my chest when I start my workout with flys. It feels like the muscle is going to rip away from my chest.
 
who is greg titus? I'm not sure if you meant pro bb craig titus or not.Having said that i agree that there are other ways to build a great chest than just flat barbell bench, but i tend to think that its still the best overall way to build your chest. I think most shoulder problems caused by benching are because of too much weight, too often, without proper stretching and form.
Nelson Montana said:
The bench press is a worthless exercise.

Sorry, but I can't disagree more that it's a true test of strength. The military press, squat, deadlift, power cleans and even pushups to failure are all better baraometers of strength.

The BP is a glamour move. It feels good. It's also the reason for more blown out shoulders than any other exercise.

Think Greg Titus as a good chest? He doesn't bench. How about Vince Girondas sweeping pecs that look like a gladiators steel suit? Never benched.

The pecs are usually easy to develop because they're made up of mostly white fibers. If you 're having trouble building it, you probably always will. Consider yourself lucky. Most bodybuidlers over develop the chest to the point where they have bulbous hanging tits.

The absolute best exercise for the chest is the forward dip. (Dips hunched forwad with the feet in front) Anyone can build a good chest with enough of those.
 
No way benching is bad for your shoulders if you bench right. Bring the bar to the lower chest and push the bar straight up ver your pecs NOT back up over your face.

Done correctly benching is by far #1 for your chest..

Talk about shoulder stress dips are waaaaay worse for your shoulders especialy when people bottom out and go low on dips..
 
I agree with Cytomel. Also, remember to keep your elbows tucked in to your sides, instead of flaring them out.

You guys who don't bench are weird.:silly:
 
The bench press is a must 4 chest unquestionable... BP 4 chest is like a squat is to legs, like curling is to arms like sit ups 4 abs..
 
Keeping the elbows tucked in when benching makes it more of a tricep exercise. You can lift more weight, but it'll hit the chest less. Then again, most guys are just interested in lifting more weight.

Dips should not be deep, nor do they need to be to work chest.

Bench Presses are completely unnecessary. But I understand why people like to do them.

And by the way, sit-ups aren't that great either.
 
Big Anaconda said:
Well i think bench pressing is essential, not only is it a great mass building exercise but it remains the ultimate test of strenght.
Ultimate test of strength? :spit: Thanks, I needed that.



Seriously though, it's a great move for many of us. Nelson, I'm sorry, but to state that the bench press is a worthless exercise is moronic. Depending on your body and assuming you do the exercise correctly, it can be a great asset.

Do you have to bench? Hell no, their are many pec moves to choose from. But to state that Jimmy IFBB has great pecs yet doesn't do bench presses as any sort of reason for dismissing the bench press is absurd.

I will agree that a good many lifters should dump the bench press. They may have poor technique on the move, or their body mechanics and geometry may simply be poorly suited to the move. A great many injuries can be attributed to these factors. The popularity of the move and sheer number of people who practice it regularly can also account for a high number of injuries.

Regarding injury, their are many who curse the dip as the number one shoulder injuring move of all time. Are they wrong? For some, dips do terrible things to the shoulder. For others, the exercise is a godsend.

Is the bench press for everyone? No. Is it worthless? No way.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Keeping the elbows tucked in when benching makes it more of a tricep exercise. You can lift more weight, but it'll hit the chest less. Then again, most guys are just interested in lifting more weight.

Dips should not be deep, nor do they need to be to work chest.

Bench Presses are completely unnecessary. But I understand why people like to do them.

And by the way, sit-ups aren't that great either.


Why are bench presses completely unnecessary.:rolleyes:

I do not understand why you would say such a thing?

Yes, you can develop the chest without doing barbell bench press; at the same token you can develop quads without doing barbell free-weight squats. Does that mean squats are unnecessary?

Remember people take different paths to get from point A to B.

By the way, lifters have hurt their shoulders doing weighted-dips too!
 
Silient. Lighten up on the "Moronic" bullshit. If you disagree, fine. But I know what I'm talking about and I believe people should talk to each other respectfully.
Capisce?

Of course benching will work. Anything will work. But when something is so potentially damaging and other exercises work just as well, if not better, there's no need to do it. If you want to do some just for variety that's okay but way too many guys fall in love with it, thinking it's the ultimate chest developer. Ask 10 guys over the age of 35 who have shoulder problems (and there are plenty) and I'll bet 9 of them will say they fucked them up doing benches.

Dips only strees the shoulders when at the bottom position, which as I stated, should not be done.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Silient. Lighten up on the "Moronic" bullshit. If you disagree, fine. But I know what I'm talking about and I believe people should talk to each other respectfully.
Capisce?

Of course benching will work. Anything will work. But when something is so potentially damaging and other exercises work just as well, if not better, there's no need to do it. If you want to do some just for variety that's okay but way too many guys fall in love with it, thinking it's the ultimate chest developer. Ask 10 guys over the age of 35 who have shoulder problems (and there are plenty) and I'll bet 9 of them will say they fucked them up doing benches.

Dips only strees the shoulders when at the bottom position, which as I stated, should not be done.

I have to agree with you on this reply...39 and shoulder problems from going heavy when younger. My chest is by far better now from having to force myself to do other exercises.
I have to admit though, I do see some bros with great chests and it is about the only exercise they use.
 
WanTtoBeDeisel said:
do you guys who just lift for bodybuilding purposes like benching? i know that it is a must if you are a power lifter, but that i am not. I'm wondering what some of you armor plated chest guys do for chest exercises, and if you are fans of the almighty bench press.

Interesting you bring this topic up. I was in the gym the other day on the bench throwing up on 3 wheels for reps when a fitness trainer approached me and offered his unsolicited advise. He said that the bench is the most "ineffective" exercise for the chest. I was little taken back by this so I thought I'd hear him out.

He started by giving me a little history on the bench press in that it was originally designed by a football many many years for offensive lineman. He then told me that the bench put a tremendous amount of stress on the shoulders and triceps (no shit) and that it didn't hit the origin and insertion of the muscle in the chest. He took over to this pulley machine made by "free motion", which is similar to the Bowflex you've probably seen on those infomercials. After going through this workout I began to see his point.
 
Im only 30 and Ive fucked up my shoulders going too heavy on benches and too low on dips in the past. Had a nice chest, but now I wish I'd have done it differently. But I go liter on presses and not so low on dips, and I rarely if ever do flat or decline presses.
 
i think benching is essential but i agree with nelson on the importance of dips leaning forward, my chest has improved no end since i started doing dips. but like i said i feel benching is also needed
 
My pecs are what I have the most problems develping. I already have shoulder problems. I just began my first true bulk cycle 10 days ago, primarily because I am unhappy with my pec development. For all you "non" benchers, what do you suggest to build my pecs on this cycle?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Silient. Lighten up on the "Moronic" bullshit. If you disagree, fine. But I know what I'm talking about and I believe people should talk to each other respectfully.
Capisce?
Lighten up yourself there buckaroo. I apologize that your perception of the connotation of the word "moronic" has caused you to feel insult. Regardless of how you took it, I feel that the word serves as an appropriate adjective for your statement that "the bench press is a worthless exercise."

Read it again in context. It was not a comment directed at you as a person, it was not meant as a personal insult. Rather, it was merely an opinion regarding your statement. So what is it you want? A more politically correct choice of words? Perhaps benighted, misinformed, or ignorant strike you as more friendly? Take your pick.
 
Politiclly correct? Nah. But my statement comes not from ignorance or misinformation. If you wern't such a moron you'd realize that. (Kidding!)

The point is; it's a matter of respect, and etiquette. You should know that. If the vets start talking to each other like that, how long will it take before everyone else starts in with the name calling. Before long Elite will be another MFW. And THAT would surely be worthless.
 
i personally hate benching, it doesn't do shit for my size or look, i like incline dumbell presses and flies best, and lots of isolation work, but i think its up to the person, you have to be able to see what your body like and dislikes, through anyone's years of training, if they can't figure this out they will fail in bodybuilding or even reaching their personaly goals, its all about what works for YOU
 
Bench presses?
What is the first question you hear from someone you meet for the first time. "How much can you bench"
How many times have you seen guys come in the gym on (monday usually) chest day and head straight for the flat bb bench?
Which are you stronger on Flat or Incline? If you do flat first then how strong are you on incline
And what part of the chest is harder to build lower/mid pecs or upper pecs?
With that being said what happens to your chest development when the core of your workout comes from Flat bench.

Things that make you go HMMMMMMM?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Politiclly correct? Nah. But my statement comes not from ignorance or misinformation. If you wern't such a moron you'd realize that. (Kidding!)

The point is; it's a matter of respect, and etiquette. You should know that. If the vets start talking to each other like that, how long will it take before everyone else starts in with the name calling. Before long Elite will be another MFW. And THAT would surely be worthless.
I think you missed my message in my last post. I believe it is the percieved derogatory conotation of the word moronic which had you objecting. Had I use the word misinformed in place of moronic would you have taken such personal offense? Probably not, but either way my message would have remained the same. I think your statement was erronious. Simply because I used the word moronic to describe my opinion of your idea does not mean disrespect to you.

On the issue of respect, perhaps there are those of us who feel that labeling another's opinions as "bullshit" simply because they do not conform with your own as disrespectfull.
 
Nelson Montana said:
You should know that. If the vets start talking to each other like that, how long will it take before everyone else starts in with the name calling. Before long Elite will be another MFW. And THAT would surely be worthless.

Quiet down, Windbag.

:p
 
When you guys say you fucked up your shoulders from bench, are you just talking about barbell bench? Do you still do dumbell flat bench? My shoulders are pretty prone to injury, and i need to start being careful on some exercises, especially since i start my cycle in 3 days.

Ive got some friends who bench huge weight for their size and when i try to bench barbell and say its hurts my shoulders, they think im being a pussy. Im kind of tall though and have long arms and barbell bench has never felt natural like most exercises, nor do I think it ever will.

I think the only reason i keep doing it is because everyone is always like "What do you bench, what do you bench" I know my shoulders are getting bad though, so i may just give it up. Im more interested in shape anyways, i could care less if i ever push high weight.
 
Listen i love this board more than anything.. there are some good debates and a lot of knowledge. but why must everything turn into a Fucking cat fight. Suck it up bitches and have a discussion like grown men. thank you.
 
By the way, this post has inspired me to draw up plans for a dip rack. I plan on sinking 4 4x4s into the ground and running some 1.5" pvc between them. That way, I can dip at home.

Here is an illustration:

(too lazy to do it again)

:p
 
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Nelson Montana said:
Once things get nasty it doesn't take long before the jerks act up, does it?
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Originally posted by WanTtoBeDeisel
Listen i love this board more than anything.. there are some good debates and a lot of knowledge. but why must everything turn into a Fucking cat fight. Suck it up bitches and have a discussion like grown men. thank you.
Agreed.
 
I can also say Im one of the guys where flat bench doesnt do anythign for me. My chest always lags behind the rest of my developement. I just recently started using lots of dips, fly and cable stuff and my chest seems to be reacting well... Back in september I also hurt my shoulder doing flat bench. I stopped immediately remembering how a close friend of mine did the same thing and totally screwed up his shoulder and hasnt been able to bench in almost 2 years, and his shoulder still hurts after 1.5 years of physical therapy.... Like everything else though it depends on the person.
 
Here's an interesting bit of trivia. Way back at the begining of the century, nobody benched. (Remember, it isn't an Olympic event or a legit powerlifting move) Even then they realized that bracing yourself against a bench with a lot of weight on top of you was a bad idea.

Whenever the body moves through space it works more effectively and more stabilizers come into play. That's why chins, squats and dips are so good.

The bench is bastard movement that got popular because it feels good. (Kinda like the preacher curl -- another lousy exercise) It's also an "ego" move. Who doesn't like seeing all that weight go up? (Even if the best benchers have short arms and the bar moves 4 inches)

These days when somebody asks me what I bench, I usually say; "I have no idea." It freaks them out.

Or you can ust tell them what you used to bench before you blew out your shoulder.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Most bodybuidlers over develop the chest to the point where they have bulbous hanging tits.

Funny shit, I guess Im glad I have sheitty shoulders that prevent me from benching. Its better than bulbous hanging tits, lol:kronkette
 
Nelson Montana said:
These days when somebody asks me what I bench, I usually say; "I have no idea." It freaks them out.

Or you can ust tell them what you used to bench before you blew out your shoulder.

good point there nelson.
 
I used to have bad shoulder problems from bench. I hurt my left rotor cup w/ 275. Hell i work out w/ 275 now. I just changed my form a little by piiching my shoulders back for much better supprt rather than have your shoulders hanging off the sides of the bench. And i agree w/the above- change to dumbbells evry now & then, keep your muscles guessing. nothing feels better than grabing 100#s in ea. hand for some incline presses. the first time i did damn i felt my chest
 
Nelson Montana said:
Whenever the body moves through space it works more effectively and more stabilizers come into play. That's why chins, squats and dips are so good.
I agree with you here. If I haven't made it clear, I even agree that the bench press is a second rate exercise that may even prove detramental for some if not many. It may not be needed, but it is not worthless.



Along the lines of the problems inherent in it's execution, here's a little bit of what Fred Hatfield has to say about the bench press. (I'd like to test the "little patented gizmo" he describes.)
BENCH PRESS
Your pectoral muscles ("called "pecs") are developed with bench presses. It's potentially dangerous, so have a spotter close by at all times. NEVER bench press alone! Have your spotter help you lift the bar out of the uprights and to a position directly over your chest. Lower the weight to your chest and press it back up to arms' length again. Then, after performing the required number of reps, have the spotter assist you in placing the bar back on the uprights. You can emphasize your "pecs" more if your elbows are away from your sides (perpendicular to your torso) during the movement, and your front deltoids more if your elbows are kept close to your sides during the movement.

Much of the danger inherent in this exercise can be eliminated by using a "Monolift" machine. This new device allows you to position the bar directly over your chest BEFORE you unrack the bar. While bench pressing, special spotting platforms ensure that, should the bar be dropped accidentally or should you miss the lift, the weight will not come down on you. Then, rather than your training partner helping you rack the bar, he rotates the cradle hooks under the bar while it's still held over your chest.

There are two particularly troublesome techniques I see all too often among bench pressers. One is the dangerous practice of using a thumbless grip. The notion that a thumbless grip will somehow alter the angle or quality of stress you're delivering to your pecs is outrageously dumb. Keep your thumbs around the bar!

The second practice is just as outrageous. I've heard benchers say that by keeping your feet off the floor -- suspended over the bench or resting on the bench -- somehow improves the isolation of the pecs and therefore the adaptive overload being delivered to your pecs. The truth is that while your feet are off the floor, you're always slightly off balance on the narrow bench you're lying on, and various stabilizer muscles are attempting to keep you from falling off the bench. This superfluous muscular activity is detracting from the stress you can deliver to the pecs. It is certainly NOT improving it! Besides, being off balance while a heavy weight is hovering over your face and throat is downright asking for trouble!

But these two troublesome techniques pale in their potential for disaster in comparison to the design of the bench itself! Consider: Lying on your back with 300-400 or more pounds in your hands pressing your scapulae into the flat bench beneath. You lower the bar to your chest. But the scapulae are pinned to the bench and cannot slide inwards as you lower the bar. And neither can they slide outward as you raise the bar off your chest. This is not good! It causes undue stress on the tendons of the long heads of your biceps. The results?
· Nagging long-lasting pain from biceps tendinitis
· You can’t lift as much
· Far less strength is developed
· Poor sports performance.

On top of that, all benches are made to be 16 or more inches off the ground. Just because the rules of powerlifting dictate it. This is downright dangerous for shorter athletes who have to go into spinal hyperextension in order to keep their feet flat on the ground for better stability. The results?
· low back trauma
· less stability during training and therefore greater exposure to injury and less weight being lifted
· poor sports performance, or (worse)
· ruined sports career from unnecessary injury

Now picture this: Same weight, same bench. But with a little patented gizmo built into the bench that allows your scapulae to slide in as you lower the bar, and back out as you press it back upward. This is how Mother Nature intended for your shoulder girdle to operate. The results?
· Far less chance of biceps tendinitis
· 10 percent more weight lifted
· greater strength is developed
· no unnecessary trauma to the lumbar spine
· better sports performance, not only because you’re stronger but because you’re healthier!

You just won’t believe it until you’ve experienced it! You and your clients are gonna LOVE it!

DUMBBELL BENCH PRESS
I favor dumbbell bench presses over benching with a bar because you can achieve greater adaptive stress with dumbbells. Dumbbells will tend to force you to keep your upper arms perpendicular to your torso while lowering them. Many benchers will allow their elbows to drift inward toward their sides while using a straight bar. This happens because there's a natural tendency to use the anterior (frontal) deltoids to assist in moving the bar, thereby robbing the pecs of some stress.

Also, dumbbells allow you to employ a technique that will improve the adaptive stress being delivered to your pecs even more. By carefully (under total control) allowing the dumbbells to drift slightly off balance toward the outside, you will have to "fight" harder to raise them. This controlled outward drift allows you to use superior weight while getting the same benefits afforded by regular flyes. Regular flyes are done with very light weights, whereas modified dumbbell benches employ far heavier weight. Again, here's a little technique that tends to improve the quality of adaptive stress.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Here's an interesting bit of trivia. Way back at the begining of the century, nobody benched. (Remember, it isn't an Olympic event or a legit powerlifting move) Even then they realized that bracing yourself against a bench with a lot of weight on top of you was a bad idea.

Whenever the body moves through space it works more effectively and more stabilizers come into play. That's why chins, squats and dips are so good.

The bench is bastard movement that got popular because it feels good. (Kinda like the preacher curl -- another lousy exercise) It's also an "ego" move. Who doesn't like seeing all that weight go up? (Even if the best benchers have short arms and the bar moves 4 inches)

These days when somebody asks me what I bench, I usually say; "I have no idea." It freaks them out.

Or you can ust tell them what you used to bench before you blew out your shoulder.

I stopped doing preacher curls for about 4 months and my peak started lagging. I thnk straight barbell curls are the best to build even though they are hard on the wrist. I finish every bi workout with light preachers. Good exercise in my opinion. I also do not understand why you can sit here and say an exercise is useless. Do you know what works for everyone? If you please inform all of what is and what is not gonna work. My point is what may not work for one may work for the other. Since I have started training I have read the so called best exercises but you know what? You gotta see what works for you.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Kinda like the preacher curl -- another lousy exercise

you sure about that?
Ronnie Colmen said on his site that that is his favorit exercise and that the majority of his bicep routine is preachers, and as we all know he as had VERY good results with that.
 
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