Introduction and help request

[teknix]

I am 27 years old, 5'11", I weigh 150 lbs with around 5% body fat.. I have used creatine, protein, NO xplode along with multi vitamins and a good regular workout regiment, and put on a whopping 10 lbs. I have never weighed over 165, no matter how hard I have tried and how much I eat. I guess the term is "hard gainer". I'm tired of being small. I have the cash for it, and so far have invested in

Sustanon 250 42 tabs
Dianabol 90 tabs

I want to add deca into the regiment as well. I also have investedin these supplements:

MGN Pure Whey Protein Isolate - 5lbs Chocolate Caramel
Dymatize Creatine Monohydrate - 1000g
ON Opti-Men Multivitamin - 90 Capsules
ON 100% Casein Protein - 2lbs Banana Cream
NOW Ginkgo Biloba 60mg - 30 VCapsules
Dymatize Super Amino 4800 - 325 Caplets
Sci-Fit Caffeine Powder - 100g

I wish I would have known of these forums before I dumped what cash I did, but from what research I have done, I think I have everything I will need besides the deca.

I am in college full-time and have part-time job as well as working on getting a shiitake cultivation business going on. I have a couple hours a day to spare and want to break 170 during this cycle.

If you see anything else I might need to get, or could point me to a good alternative please let me know. Any help will be greatly appreciated. I could also use some help on the dosages, and how long I should use this cycle.

Thank you.

 

[teknix]

Well I am still searching around, and I found this that would give me 250ml week for 8 weeks. It is $140 for 2000ml. Decabol Inject BD
Is this the product I want to use for stacking(not sure what the BD is)? Does it seem like a decent price? Thanks everyone for your help.

 

[RADAR]

Sorry we don't discuss prices here nor brands nor source checks ,And you have everything you need for a first cycle,except arimidex and PCT,Get everything on hand before you run anything.Deca has different sides than test so leaving it out if you do get some sides you will know whats causing it.

 

[wootoom]

How long have you been training?

 

[teknix]

Ok, thanks for the information, I found the DB is just the initials of the supplier. Is it ok to start out with a 250 ml injection at my size? or should I go some less?

Wootooom: I trained last year, all year. But haven't done much of anything this year besides just lifting at the gym irregularly since I started school and work and I have suffered atrophy =-/ All the work I did is pretty much gone.

Before that I trained pretty regularly at the boxing club.

 

[wootoom]

Well I am still searching around, and I found this that would give me 250ml week for 8 weeks. It is $140 for 2000ml. Decabol Inject BD
Is this the product I want to use for stacking(not sure what the BD is)? Does it seem like a decent price? Thanks everyone for your help.

No price talk

 

[teknix]

One last question I have is, what gauge of needles do you use for injection? I have 10cc syringes and 16 gauge needles, but I think its going to be a bit big.

No price talk

Yes, it won't happen again from me ^.^

 

[wootoom]

One last question I have is, what gauge of needles do you use for injection? I have 10cc syringes and 16 gauge needles, but I think its going to be a bit big.



Yes, it won't happen again from me ^.^

Welcome tod the forum bro, it seems like you need a bit more research brother! Just train, eat and learn for a bit....lots of knowledge here

 

[wootoom]

One last question I have is, what gauge of needles do you use for injection? I have 10cc syringes and 16 gauge needles, but I think its going to be a bit big.



Yes, it won't happen again from me ^.^

Ummmm....ya they might be a little big....dude, you need to not even think about doing AAS right now...

 

[d_rson]

You need to do significantly more research before you start. You are haphazzardly going about this, and if you are sorry about losing your gains because of not working out, you are going to be real sorry when you cycle poorly and losing a ton of gains...

 

[teknix]

I know you guys are always trying to talk the noobs out of it, however I have done research, otherwise I wouldn't be using this stack, along with all the supplements that I need. The capsules I'm getting are pretty self explanatory and the deca is the only injection that I am going to use. What's so hard about that? This isn't brain surgery, only a bit of biological chemistry, I can see what is going. What possible harm could come from it besides a bit of wasted cash, which all the side effects seem pretty minor, and I can fallow instructions. So really, what's the deal?

 

[wootoom]

I know you guys are always trying to talk the noobs out of it, however I have done research, otherwise I wouldn't be using this stack, along with all the supplements that I need. The capsules I'm getting are pretty self explanatory and the deca is the only injection that I am going to use. What's so hard about that? This isn't brain surgery, only a bit of biological chemistry, I can see what is going. What possible harm could come from it besides a bit of wasted cash, which all the side effects seem pretty minor, and I can fallow instructions. So really, what's the deal?

Well, if you're so smart why come to a fitness board...we are just trying to help...you dont even know what guage needle to use....and what does it matter if you are doing a one compound injection...pills are worse for you're body.

 

[teknix]

I wasn't directing that comment at everyone, only the nonsense claiming that I shouldn't do it when I already have almost everything . Do you think I should leave out the DECA? This is the plan I have for an 8 week cycle, if you can see anything that should be changed for better results, pls let me know. I am looking for help before I start the cycle, and hope some pro's will answer and help ^.^

8week cycle
DECA, Sustanon, D-bol
1 - 200 1x M-F 1x M-F
2 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
3 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
4 - 300 1x M-F 3x M-F
5 - 300 1x M-F 3x M-F
6 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
7 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
8 - 200 1x M-F 1x M-F

 

[wootoom]

I would leave out the Dbol but thats me....how many cycles have you done?

 

[teknix]

I am going to add chrysin to the cycle for the inhibitor. How should I dose these to the current cycle?

This is how it looks right now

deca, sustanon, d-bol, Chrysin X
1 - 200 1x M-F 1x M-F
2 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
3 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
4 - 300 1x M-F 3x M-F
5 - 300 1x M-F 3x M-F
6 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
7 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
8 - 200 1x M-F 1x M-F

(and no I don't plan on just starting it without knowing exactly wtf, which is why I'm here.)

 

[teknix]

This will be my 1st cycle, so whats the verdict?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Dude you're 150lbs.

EAT MORE.

Go ahead and continue to learn all you want, but imo you are nowhere close to being ready to do a legit cycle.

All your supplements and juice won't be worth dick if you don't eat enough decent food and don't train hard enough/push the weight in the gym.

Food, Water and Sleep are the #1 anabolics. Get that plus your lifting in order, gain 25-35 more pounds naturally and then maybe think about it.

 

[teknix]

I just found out that deca is illegal to posses without a prescription? However the sustanon and dianabol I got is legal without a prescript. So I'm not going to get the deca. Is there any problems with just using these 2? or should I cut out the d-bol completely?

 

[teknix]

Dude you're 150lbs.

EAT MORE.

Go ahead and continue to learn all you want, but imo you are nowhere close to being ready to do a legit cycle.

All your supplements and juice won't be worth dick if you don't eat enough decent food and don't train hard enough/push the weight in the gym.

Food, Water and Sleep are the #1 anabolics. Get that plus your lifting in order, gain 25-35 more pounds naturally and then maybe think about it.

I have tried that, and couldn't get passes 165.

 

[teknix]

Ok, so I'm adding to the list : Methyl 1-D as the inhibitor , fish oil, dextrose, carbo gain and glutamine.
What else should I consider getting for my 1st cycle?

 

[C0LUMB0]

You have ignored all the good advice given to you here bro.

you are putting together a shopping list of gear and supps but seem to have little or no idea what any of this stuff does...

Not even a mention of PCT .

You say "This isn't brain surgery, only a bit of biological chemistry "
with that approach you could find yourself sitting around playing with your nice new pair of titties wondering why your balls have shrunk to the size of some m+m's.


Trust the advice you get here on diet ,training ,supps and you will definitely see good gains.

Good luck.

 

[d_rson]

I know you guys are always trying to talk the noobs out of it, however I have done research, otherwise I wouldn't be using this stack, along with all the supplements that I need. The capsules I'm getting are pretty self explanatory and the deca is the only injection that I am going to use. What's so hard about that? This isn't brain surgery, only a bit of biological chemistry, I can see what is going. What possible harm could come from it besides a bit of wasted cash, which all the side effects seem pretty minor, and I can fallow instructions. So really, what's the deal?

I don't think anyone caught that your sustanon is in pill form, and you got them "legally".

I'm guessing the "sustanon" and "dianabol" you bought are actually supplements. REAL Sustanon is injectible, not in pill form. You got had thinking you were actually buying AAS, but you actually bought junk supplements.

Let me explain something. YOU ARE HAPHAZZARDLY AND IRRESPONSIBLY GOING ABOUT THIS. We only discourage newbies when they are not of age or very small, OR when they are so twisted about as you are. You're just throwing stuff together because you probably read ONE report that said "yada yada yada" is great at this, etc. You're not taking the time to REALLY research or you would have figured out that what you were buying was junk.

And you've tried eating and couldn't get past 165. Then eat MORE! If you can't get past 165 then most likely, save health issues, you're diet and training need work FIRST.

 

[d_rson]

I wasn't directing that comment at everyone, only the nonsense claiming that I shouldn't do it when I already have almost everything . Do you think I should leave out the DECA? This is the plan I have for an 8 week cycle, if you can see anything that should be changed for better results, pls let me know. I am looking for help before I start the cycle, and hope some pro's will answer and help ^.^

8week cycle
DECA, Sustanon, D-bol
1 - 200 1x M-F 1x M-F
2 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
3 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
4 - 300 1x M-F 3x M-F
5 - 300 1x M-F 3x M-F
6 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
7 - 250 1x M-F 2x M-F
8 - 200 1x M-F 1x M-F

Okay, you call it nonsense since you already have the stuff, might as well use it.

The cycle you planned shows you still have much research. Only cycling Monday - Friday? Pyramiding dosages? Did you read something from the 80s on that? Dbol for 8 weeks (which isn't dbol it's a fake OTC supplement, so I guess not worries).

Go ahead and cycle. Nothing you have is reall AAS, so no worries.

 

[teknix]

I am still reading, finding more out on my own, thanks.

Should I just send it back to them?

 

[teknix]

Here is the Dianabol:
Dianabol

-World's most potent natural steroidal product available without a prescription.
-Natural Steroidal anabolic agent designed to increase lean muscle mass.
-Anti-proteolytic (anti-catbolic) agent.
-Powerful anabolic messenger with a 33:1 androgenic ratio.



Supplement Facts Serving Size:1 tablet
Servings per Container: 90
Ingredient Amount % Daily Value** Proprietary Blend with Explotab and Extend-Rx technology 575mg
-Belizian Man Vine Extract

-Tribulus Terrestris

-25R Spirostan-5a-Diol-6-one-3-one

-Dehydroepiandrosterone Acetate

-Dehydroepiandrosterone Deconate

-Phytosterol

-Belizian Wild Yam Extract

-Ribonucleic Acid Complex 3

-7-Keto-DHEA,

-6.7 Dihydroxybergamottin

-Naringen

-Vanadyl Sulfate Ethyl Ester

-Smilagenin

-Dicyclopentanone

** Percent Daily Value is based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
† Daily Value not established.

Dianabol Ingredients

Microcrystalline Cellulose, Dextrose, Sodium Starch Glycolate, Explotab, Hydroxy Propylmethylcellulose, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid, Silica.


Dianabol Directions

Take one tablet three times daily withmeals. This is important as the strength of this product can cause nausea if consumed without eating.

Here is the sustanon:

Sustanon 250

-"Pill inside a Pill" technology for Maximum Muscular Development and Strength Gains.
-Incorporates 11 state-of-the-art anabolic agents in their most bioavailable form.




Supplement Facts Serving Size:1 tablet
Servings per Container: 42
Ingredient Amount % Daily Value** Inner Core Tablet Proprietary Blend 250mg
-Prasterone Propionate

-Prasterone Phenylpropionate

-Prasterone Isacaproate

-Prasterone Decanoate

Outer Core Tablet 450mg
-6-keto disogenin cypionate

-6-keto disogenin enathate

-25R spirostan-5A-diol-6-one-3 undecanoate

-Rhaponticum carthemoids

-Belizean Man Vine

-3B-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one

-Androstenolone

** Percent Daily Value is based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
† Daily Value not established.

Sustanon 250 Ingredients

Dextrose, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Hydroxy Propyl Methylcellulose, Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate, Sodium Starch Glucolate, Starch, Triacetin, Titanium Dioxide, Silica.


Sustanon 250

Take 1 tablet daily. Do not exceed 3 tablets daily.


I think it should be obvious to you that that's why I am posting on these forums.

 

[teknix]

You have ignored all the good advice given to you here bro.

you are putting together a shopping list of gear and supps but seem to have little or no idea what any of this stuff does...

Not even a mention of PCT .

You say "This isn't brain surgery, only a bit of biological chemistry "
with that approach you could find yourself sitting around playing with your nice new pair of titties wondering why your balls have shrunk to the size of some m+m's.


Trust the advice you get here on diet ,training ,supps and you will definitely see good gains.

Good luck.

Yes, I understand I need an inhibitor to block the estrogen created, I have been reasearching it all night and found that most people say to use prescription drugs, however a couple reccommend the ATD's.

I would like to do a "legal" cycle if it is at all possible, however if these products are worthless as you guys say, I'll just send them back. Thanks for the help.

On a side note, this is just for entertainment purpose.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Here is the Dianabol:
Dianabol

-World's most potent natural steroidal product available without a prescription.
-Natural Steroidal anabolic agent designed to increase lean muscle mass.
-Anti-proteolytic (anti-catbolic) agent.
-Powerful anabolic messenger with a 33:1 androgenic ratio.



Supplement Facts Serving Size:1 tablet
Servings per Container: 90
Ingredient Amount % Daily Value** Proprietary Blend with Explotab and Extend-Rx technology 575mg
-Belizian Man Vine Extract

-Tribulus Terrestris

-25R Spirostan-5a-Diol-6-one-3-one

-Dehydroepiandrosterone Acetate

-Dehydroepiandrosterone Deconate

-Phytosterol

-Belizian Wild Yam Extract

-Ribonucleic Acid Complex 3

-7-Keto-DHEA,

-6.7 Dihydroxybergamottin

-Naringen

-Vanadyl Sulfate Ethyl Ester

-Smilagenin

-Dicyclopentanone

** Percent Daily Value is based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
† Daily Value not established.

Dianabol Ingredients

Microcrystalline Cellulose, Dextrose, Sodium Starch Glycolate, Explotab, Hydroxy Propylmethylcellulose, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid, Silica.


Dianabol Directions

Take one tablet three times daily withmeals. This is important as the strength of this product can cause nausea if consumed without eating.

Here is the sustanon:

Sustanon 250

-"Pill inside a Pill" technology for Maximum Muscular Development and Strength Gains.
-Incorporates 11 state-of-the-art anabolic agents in their most bioavailable form.




Supplement Facts Serving Size:1 tablet
Servings per Container: 42
Ingredient Amount % Daily Value** Inner Core Tablet Proprietary Blend 250mg
-Prasterone Propionate

-Prasterone Phenylpropionate

-Prasterone Isacaproate

-Prasterone Decanoate

Outer Core Tablet 450mg
-6-keto disogenin cypionate

-6-keto disogenin enathate

-25R spirostan-5A-diol-6-one-3 undecanoate

-Rhaponticum carthemoids

-Belizean Man Vine

-3B-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one

-Androstenolone

** Percent Daily Value is based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
† Daily Value not established.

Sustanon 250 Ingredients

Dextrose, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Hydroxy Propyl Methylcellulose, Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate, Sodium Starch Glucolate, Starch, Triacetin, Titanium Dioxide, Silica.


Sustanon 250

Take 1 tablet daily. Do not exceed 3 tablets daily.


I think it should be obvious to you that that's why I am posting on these forums.

The joke shop probably wont give you your money back.

 

[wootoom]

1st Cycle...grow up and take advice, or else leave. There is a lot of knowledge on this board.

 

[Zyglamail]

I wasn't directing that comment at everyone, only the nonsense claiming that I shouldn't do it when I already have almost everything .

WOW!

You just dont seem to realize that this nonsense as you call it is trying to save you a lot of time money and possibly medical problems?

I just found out that deca is illegal to posses without a prescription? However the sustanon and dianabol I got is legal without a prescript. So I'm not going to get the deca. Is there any problems with just using these 2? or should I cut out the d-bol completely?

Do you even know what sustanon and dianabol are dude? sustanon is an oil based injectable which is a mix of different text esters. You are so far out of your element I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

By your own admission you are not even training regularly because your in school and have studied about AAS use all of what 2 nights? You may be all confident and ready to move forward, but you dont even know what you have or are dealing with so the facts tell us otherwise.

Regardless of what you may think about the reception you have received in this thread if you hang around long enough you will see we dont have anything against newbies BUT we do want to see that you are approaching this intelligently and that you have made a serious effort to learn the basics.

 

[wootoom]

At least he has 10cc syringes for them 2000mg injections though....lol

 

[teknix]

O, I thought this was only for entertainment . . .

 

[Zyglamail]

locked.