Intro and first cycle

[Big Jax]

What's up everyone. I've been reading the boards for over a year, but just registered. I'm planning to start my first cycle in about two and a half weeks, i thought i'd post it to hear any thoughts you might have.

Stats: 22 yrs, 6'4", 220 lbs

Cycle:
D-bol: weeks 1-5, 50mg/day (IP dbol)
Enanthate: weeks 1-8, 750mg/week (3 x 250mg)
EQ: weeks 1-8, 400mg/week (2 x 200mg)

That's it. I have anti-E's on hand if needed, plan on HCG somewhere around week 6, and clomid therapy afterwards of course. What do you think? Any suggestions? Oh, and I'll be shooting for 6000 cals/day.

 

[Paulos]

Too much Test and Dbol IMO...

I'd do...

Dbol 30mg/ED Weeks 1-4
Enanthate 500mg/Wk Weeks 1-10
Equipoise 400mg/Wk Weeks 1-10

I'd also run anti-e throughout...just my thoughts though.

 

[Juicy-R6]

Too much Test and Dbol IMO...

I'd do...

Dbol 30mg/ED Weeks 1-4
Enanthate 500mg/Wk Weeks 1-10
Equipoise 400mg/Wk Weeks 1-10

I'd also run anti-e throughout...just my thoughts though.

u beat me for it... right on target...
i agree with paulos, some people might even consider this a high dosage for a first cycle

 

[Big Jax]

I had counted on comments about the dosage Thanks for the responses though.

I can see how it might seem high for a first cycle, but I'm going to give it a shot. As far as running anti-E's throughout, from what I understand it can cut into your gains. I don't plan on any more bulking cycles after this one (I'll be cutting after I take the requisite 8 weeks off from sauce after this cycle) so I want to gain as much as possible.

I suppose I shouldn't be asking if you think 6 weeks of Fina would be a helpful addition, starting around week 4

 

[The Terminator]

Too much...too fast. Where do you plan on going after this one?? A gram of test, 600 EQ, 50 mg. dbol/day....that's where you're headed. No doubt you could literally "blow up" off your dosages, but they are overboard imo. Try test (and dbol) if you think its absolutely necessary(which its not)....what happens if all your hair starts falling out from so much androgenic activity, you'll be wishing you had not done so much, but it's too late then...

 

[Big Jax]

Yeah the only side effect i'm really worried about is baldness. Acne is temporary, and I have enough anti-E's for gyno if it starts to appear. I'll have to research what hair treatments I could come by relatively cheaply within two weeks.

 

[Big Jax]

one bump for any more input...Fina a good addition? It's cheap, and hopefully still fairly available.

 

[Boochelle]

Just giving you a BUMP

 

[Juicy-R6]

i don't advocate such high dosages, but if u are like me and have ur mind set to one thing it doesn't matter what other people will say....if u really want to had a 4th substance then add winny instead of fina...it will help u get rid of that water and be less harsh on u. leave fina for a next cycle...(just my 2 cents)

 

[chemist]

I believe those dosages are far too high for a first cycle, you could grow like a weed on what Paulos posted. Many people have a misconception that they need massive amounts of gear to grow, you will grow like a weed since this is your first cycle especially if you are consuming 6000 calories daily, training properly and getting adequate rest.

 

[RussianBro]

how high is your bf%? for that much of gear depends on your bf as well (and that much dbol with that gear)...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think you've been reading these boards for too long.

If you're a first timer in his 20's and can't grow on 25mgs of D-bol a day, YOU SUCK AS A BODYBUILDER.

Plain and simple.

 

[rstitan53]

way tooo much test and d bol dude...


at the most i would say 30mg of dbol ifnot 25 a day... and also u only need 500mg of test a week and could get away with 400mg for a 1st cycle... u odnt need to go over board

 

[Texas Ranger]

I have to agree with, Nelson and the rest of the guys. Way TOO high, bro! Drop the EQ because it's not needed. Just do Test@400-500mgs for 8-10 weeks and Dbol@25mgs a day for the first 5 weeks. Run Arimidex/Liquidex at .5mgs EOD throughout and post cycle. Nice and simple.

 

[gilly6993]

All chime in and also say to much to fast but it sounds like you're sticking to these dosages...IMO you're headed for trouble in the future in regards to what you'll need to take to grow....keep your first cycle simple....2 drugs and low to moderate dosages....what's the rush?

 

[General Maximus]

If you are going to wait two weeks more, do more research before you decide on how much. If you take too much, you could be just wasting your money. Start a little slower. My first cycle consisted of 2, 25 mg pills of Reforvit DBol per day for eight weeks. Nothing else. My gains were incredible when eating 5000 cal's a day with 500-600 grams of protein. I was actually pretty lucky, I held onto most of my gains. If you decide to do what you posted and add Fina into the mix, you might do some serious damage to your liver. Think ALA and Milk Thistle.

 

[Big Jax]

Thanks for all the replies.

gilly- my whole thing is, I am not really planning on doing multiple cycles. I intend to do this one bulking cycle and then one cycle in spring to cut down. As this first cycle will be my only one, I don't want to start at a lower dosage with the intent of simply doing more next time.

All - everyone is saying that the dosages are too high...what are the negatives that you would predict from the amounts i suggest?

Nelson - what?

 

[RussianBro]

I am not really planning on doing multiple cycles. I intend to do this one bulking cycle and then one cycle in spring to cut down.

that's what I was saying a LONG time ago... just one cycle... sure... I even remember saying - just to reach my goal and I'm done. well, my goal was already extended numerous times
good luck to you...

 

[bmit]

Well don't know what else to say as i agree with EVERYONE else. You probably should listen and do EQ @400 and Test @ 500, dbol with this is unneccessary for a first cycle. By the way I said I would only do one cyc too and I'm already planning my fourth.

 

[Nelson Montana]

When I said 25ms of D-bol , I meant ONLY 25 mgs of D-bol.

I know that's hard for you (and many others) to comprehend, but the dosages people are recommending are higher than what guys like Arnold and Sergio took in their heydey. And you ain't Arnold Or Sergio.

A real bodybuilder learns how to fight for every ounce of muscle he can get. After you reach your genetic max, then a lttle juice can get you over the hump. If you knew what you were doing, you could put on 5 solid pounds from 200mgs a week for four weeks of Primo and nothing else. Do you know how long it would take to put on 5 pounds naturally?
But hey, what do I know? Everybody wants to be big NOW, even if it means being a formless blob. Big. BiG. BIG!!! You sound like you have a lot to learn. But I'm sure your mind is made up and you're going to do whatever you want anyway.

 

[Big Jax]

Everyone thanks again for your replies. I might revise the dosages downward a bit after hearing everyone's opinion. Either way, I'll post some mid-cycle results in a couple weeks