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In a pickle - Advice, Tips, Thoughts Please.

strentrainin

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First off here are my stats once again. 25 years old, 5'9 170lbs, Peak 180, usually fluctuate between 160-175. 2 cycles with the past 2 years. First was Test E @ 250mg a week for 12 weeks. 2nd was this spring and was Beast 30mg 1-4, Test C 450-500 1-12, and finished with Var 9-13 @ 60mgs ed. Ran Forma, HCgenerate and N2guard while on. Busted my HCG. so I didnt kickstart PCT with it. PCT was Unleashed normally dosed, Forged Post Cycle normally dosed, and then straight into bridge double-dosed. Before I get bashed and criticized about not running low dose clomid, and HCG for PCT. I know I should have. Things happen and well I didn't and that's in the past. I can't change it now but I want honest opinions on what to do and which direction to go from here instead of getting hammered for not doing this or doing that. Its in the books now and I'm looking to move forward in the best possible direction.

So as of the past few months after finishing bridge and I guess all the AAS clearing my system I've felt moody, irritable, lethargic, sex drive has diminished and my mental concentration and clarity has been slim to none. Well, I went and had bloodwork done a few weeks ago (Bloodwork was fine before this last cycle btw) and well, everything was fine, cholesterols, Vitamin -D, TSH, etc were all fine, my insulin was a little low but doing crazy. On the other hand, My Total Test was extremely low 72 ng/dl (241-950 being the normal range for that particular lab).

So I went to my urologist and got a check up, told him my mostly my situation and he examined my and ordered for for LH, Total Test, and Prolactin to be measured again, which was 2 weeks ago and my levels came back as such:
Total Testosterone: 198 ng/dL (300-950)
LH: 1.1 mlU/L (1.8-12.1)
Prolactin: 6.7 (3.1-17.8)
*normal reference ranges may be a little off, im going by memory, I don't have the copy with my right now. but as you can tell my Test and LH is way low esp. for my age. So he called for an MRI to be to check for a tumor of my Pituitary gland which thankfully just came back negative. So i'm shut down, nuts are i'd say back to normal size, just low sex drive, no stamina or strength in the gym, fatigue, tired, mentally drained, etc. They want me to come back in take a shot of Test, and start on Axiron @ 60mg a day (TRT). My concern is before I get going on this if this is the best idea, given the circumstances, my age, etc. I am not married, plan to get married and have kids at some point in the next 5 years when/if things fall into place. I have contacted an Endo about the situation and would like to do more detailed blood work since my URO only check LH, Test, and Prolactin. My E2, Estradiol, and so forth have not been measured. Obviously my Hypothalumus/Pituitary function is shut down and not releasing enough LH to signal my testes to produce Test.

That being the situation and given the circumstances what would you guys on hear recommend to safely and efficiently get back on the right track to recovering and going about this the right way. Natural Supplement route, TRT and then maybe run an aggressive PCT, TRT and Hcg and an AI, just Hcg or hmg and a SERM, get an appt with an Endo and do more bloodwork and follow his regimen, even though i know half of em these days will just want to throw me on or keep me on Axiron or weekly injections and then do more bloodwork. I'm just concerned and don't want to be put on TRT at 25 and have to continue or take HRT/TRT just to be normal, and i worry about fertility, etc. Not to mention the cost. I know it's my fault for running AAS at my age and all of which I listed above but I know there are some guys on here who have been in this game for a long time and dealt with or knew people who have dealt with a situation like this and I'd like to hear some feedback. Thanks.
 
It seems to me you have two choices
(1) TRT for life
(2) Try to recover naturally

There is no point in doing TRT and running aggressive PCT because thats basically just the same as running a PCT while on cycle.... I'm sure someone with more experience will chime in soon, but IMO you should run an aggressive PCT now, clomid, HMG and HCGenerate..... I'd stay away from taking a shot of test because that will slow your recovery further and push you down the TRT for life route which it seems you want to avoid....
 
i would run a 6-8 week pct bro... a very strong one...

clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo (double dosed)
hcgenerate
daa powerchews or powder
 
i would run a 6-8 week pct bro... a very strong one...

clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo (double dosed)
hcgenerate
daa powerchews or powder

Plus Phytoserm 347 AND ESPECIALLY 5 or 6 shots of HMG. Plus run that HCgenerate at about 10 caps a day for the first bottle.


BTW, OP, bro.....this isnt going to be cheap....
 
I gotta say at 5'9" and 170lbs and being shut down like you are doesnt seem like your cycles were very worthwhile.
 
Id follow what dylan laid out, and Id add in a 2 week hcg blast at the beginning. I would also throw in some forma to curb that prolactin and any estrogen.

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i would run a 6-8 week pct bro... a very strong one...

clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo (double dosed)
hcgenerate
daa powerchews or powder

Do this ^^^^^^ + start with ten shots of hcg 500iu EOD

you cant do a trt dose of test along side pct , your body will see the exogenous test and not respond to the hcg.

pct then get bloods tested soon after that.
 
your not in a pickle you just never recovered. your timing of your pct was probably off. which is a common mistake. i bet you never even ran a pct because of poor timing.. so you ran a pct and you got a boost WHILE ON CYCLE and when the esters cleared out you were left cold if that makes sense.

your body is TRYING to product testosterone and if you look at your bloods you did bounce up from the first to second test. so you are in recovery right now.

i want you to run something like what dylan laid out. but i also want you to run hcg as a kickstart with HMG.

you need to get on it ASAP. longer you wait the more losses you will have

test is EXTREMELY suppressive and it hangs around for a while .. if you run it 12 weeks expect it to still be in your body for 6 full weeks after your last injection!! so if you run a 4 week pct after your last injection then you are leaving yourself exposed.

during that 4 weeks you should have kickstarted things and then ran your pct after that to coincide with the esters clearing the body.

the bright side is your other bloods came out great which means you got part of your pct right.
 
i would run a 6-8 week pct bro... a very strong one...

clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo (double dosed)
hcgenerate
daa powerchews or powder

yep, the hcgenerate should help with the sides of the clomid too.. can't speak to the daa as i haven't used it but would be helpful...

then time off before even considering anything else..

you could (after time off and after pct) do another round of hcgenerate and daa for 6-8 weeks then off again if you do blood work at that point and are not to normal levels then trt would be in order..
 
I appreciate all of the feedback so far. My Uro sent me home with Axiron and called in a prescription to my pharmacy. I have not started it and as rough and dragging and low of a sex drive as I have I'd rather not jump on TRT at my age. I think I'm going to try to line up the above mentioned recovery cycle (PCT) and run it for about 6 weeks and then go back for blood work and see where i'm at. Unleashed, PC, Hcgenerate, daa, Clomid and Hcg will be expensive, no doubt. I dont know how quickly I will be able to get my hands on Clomid or Hcg. SO that concerns me especially since time is ticking. I have ran clomid briefly and once after my first cycle and it was at a low dose and I did get minor mood swings and sides. I hope that if i do end up getting my hands on some and run it at fairly high doses I don't get sides too bad. I will start placing orders for the available asap and see start digging around for some HCG and clomid. Thanks again for all the input. I'm anxious to get this Testosterone moving in the right direction (naturally). Pm me if you have any other info, advice, etc.
 
at least you're doing the smart thing and getting advice from people that know what they are talking about and have your best interest at heart. I have been on a lot of boards, most good but some bad.. and i would have to say that this is by far the best one out there. a lot of very well educated guys that know what they are talking about.. a lot more than just "bro knowledge" they have actually gotten me to think about changing the ways i do things.. and i am as stubborn as it gets. just follow what these guys say and everything will work out !!
 
The clomid will not make a difference.

I'll put money on that right now.

Either you fucked up some other way or your T was low in the first place. The cycle was shit and you're only 170 anyway. Something is off. It's not the fault of the PCT -- which should have included a shot of HCG, a double dose of UNLEASHED and protein factory POST-CYCLE -- which it did not.
 
you are nuts to even consider HRT. run a PCT first. the only difference between you and 99% of juicers out there is you actually ran bloods and got the hard truth.. most other juicers go off for 5 weeks (which isn't even being off to begin with) then jump back on when the esters were still floating in their bodies. or they just stay on year round and think cycling off is for pussies.

take it from me as someone who actually cycles.

also not to beat a dead horse but you should ALWAYS have hcg on hand stored away unmixed.. you should have a box full of ancillaries just in case. so order yourself a bunch of hcg if you want to cycle again. have EVERYTHING and more on hand always. needles both slinpin's and larger, bac water, vials, caber, clomid, etc etc. any of that shit.. you don't have to have supplements on hand as NTBM will ship to you within days. but anything that is harder to get you NEED ON HAND AT ALL TIMES !! if you cannot afford to do that then you shouldn't juice to begin with. very risky

i would stay natty for the rest of the year or more.. build more of a base. and then try it again next year. maybe you should try a short 4-5 week dbol cycle or something.. or epi.. keep things short and make it easier to recover to learn the ABC's again
 
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