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Slyder190

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A friend of mine at the gym came up to me today and said, "You used GA Labs products last time around right?" I said, "Yes why?" He said his buddy ordered from them and that the psot office left one of those little notes sayin he had a package that had to be signed for. Then he told me his buddy also got a call from the Post Master sayin they had a package for him that requires a signature so they can give it to him. Needless to say his buddy siad he had ordered no package and didn't know what they were talkin about to return it to the sender and that was that.

So head's up boys. Sound like another lab will soon not be with us anymore with and go out with a bad exit.
 
That's standard post office protocol-at least where I live. It could be a controled delivery, but are they really going to pay a detective to sit around at the post office waiting for someone to come pick up a package??? What if that person says they're on they're way and something comes up where they can't make it there before closing time? Are they gonna pay the cop to come sit around again the next day for another opportunity to bust the guy when the guy could get killed in a car accident on the way or have more important things to do?

Believe me, I'm one of the most paranoid(cautious) guys here but based on the information given, I see no reason for everyone to be on red alert specifically for GA Labs. I also think that a controled delivery at your crib, on site, makes for a better case than being called in to take a fuckin'. For all the person being called knows their mother is mailing them an early X-mas present and it needs to be signed for. I guarantee you the return addy/sender name isn't GA Labs Inc. 123 Juicer Street Biggsville, Texas USA, so how can a person know exactly who/what is in the package or who it was from (beyond a reasonable doubt)? It would be pretty tough to prove any wrongdoing in court. A home, signed, delivery isn't much different. It just seems more provable in court than being some innocent victim lured to the Post Office to get wrongfully busted for something they may have known nothing about.

What if I ordered a package of X-large buttplugs online and had it sent to stewfoos home address as a surprise birthday present? Should he just never sign for a package again in case it's drugs???
 
So is a p.o. box safer than a home delivery? What do they do if it's something that needs signing for & you're @ work or something?
 
Just seems like red flag to me that a domestic package would require a signature. International, yes, wouldn't seem odd at all, but domestic. GA Labs is a top notch lab for quality and probably unmatched in serice as well. Everyone remembes the AP bust not long ago. LE was on the SSB. LE also posed as AP in the whole ordeal. GA Labs was also an open source at the time. Just seems like a bad gamble IMO. A real shame IMO cuz LA labs is top notch like I just said. I'm not saying anything black and white here. Just giving a head's up the good bros of this board and with good reason.
 
what you need to do is get a box at mail boxes etc because they can sign for your shit and then you really know something is up if it doesn't get there or you need to sign for it.
 
b_light said:
what you need to do is get a box at mail boxes etc because they can sign for your shit and then you really know something is up if it doesn't get there or you need to sign for it.
ding ding...and you can pic up your shit any time of the night.
 
Ask to see it first.

And you can even say; "I don't think this is for me, is there any problem with signing for it?" I'm curious what they'd say.

Technically (an important word) they can't do anything until it's opened. This is why people write in big black marker on the package. RETURN TO SENDER. WRONG ADDRESS. That -- technically -- destroys the evidence since it'll show you didn't want it. Technically.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Ask to see it first.

And you can even say; "I don't think this is for me, is there any problem with signing for it?" I'm curious what they'd say.

Technically (an important word) they can't do anything until it's opened. This is why people write in big black marker on the package. RETURN TO SENDER. WRONG ADDRESS. That -- technically -- destroys the evidence since it'll show you didn't want it. Technically.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in Legal Muscle, doesn't Mr. Collins say that this little so called trick doesn't work?
 
I believe a few weeks ago there was some issues going on that may end up effecting GA labs. Of course it had to do with a big source on SSB being busted and having lots of info on everyone. Of course no one is proactive and sitll wants cheap gear with all the risks and then will bitch when a truck full of MIB are at there door. Me, I wouldnt use them but I have too much to risk. Apparently some just dont give a fuck or would just "rat" with no problem.
 
BigCracker said:
How can a person know exactly who/what is in the package or who it was from (beyond a reasonable doubt)? It would be pretty tough to prove any wrongdoing in court.

Because the pkg has a pick-up scan at the point of origin and a scan at any hubs it transfers through. If DEA had a lab targeted they could get tracking numbers of out-going shipments.
 
i am fuckin paranoid just reading this. i purchase locally......and small amounts for my cycle. i trust very few ppl. i have had some bad experience in my youth with ppl you THOUGHT you could trust.....and it cost me a piece of my life in the federal joint. these FUCKERS need to leave us the fuck alone. they do not know what is best for us and if we are hurtin someone it is ourselves. it might sound childish but this shit PISSES me off.
 
layinback said:
i am fuckin paranoid just reading this. i purchase locally......and small amounts for my cycle. i trust very few ppl. i have had some bad experience in my youth with ppl you THOUGHT you could trust.....and it cost me a piece of my life in the federal joint. these FUCKERS need to leave us the fuck alone. they do not know what is best for us and if we are hurtin someone it is ourselves. it might sound childish but this shit PISSES me off.

I'm with you. They act like we're importing kilos of black tar heroin to sell on middle-school playgrounds or something. Their priorities are fucked. I'm sure that piece of shit Benoit's going to make things much harder on the whole athletic/BB community...that fucker.
 
layinback said:
i am fuckin paranoid just reading this. i purchase locally......and small amounts for my cycle. i trust very few ppl. i have had some bad experience in my youth with ppl you THOUGHT you could trust.....and it cost me a piece of my life in the federal joint. these FUCKERS need to leave us the fuck alone. they do not know what is best for us and if we are hurtin someone it is ourselves. it might sound childish but this shit PISSES me off.

I trust no one. It is always better to be safe than sorry.
 
well i read it wrong but i signed for a package of stuff before and nothing happened ..who knows
 
I don't understand why anyone would still order from the sources on that "other" site. The feds, as far as I'm concerned, are lurking there so don't be surprised if GAlabs is being ran by the feds right now. Also, watch out for the "I just communicated with them bla, bla, bla", people because you never know.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Ask to see it first.

And you can even say; "I don't think this is for me, is there any problem with signing for it?" I'm curious what they'd say.

Technically (an important word) they can't do anything until it's opened. This is why people write in big black marker on the package. RETURN TO SENDER. WRONG ADDRESS. That -- technically -- destroys the evidence since it'll show you didn't want it. Technically.

True, but 75% of guys will piss their pants as soon as the cops beat on their door and be easily coerced into confession. The cops will say,

"C'mon, we know you're lying. Just tell us you ordered it and we'll get you out of this mess. You're not a bad guy. Help us so we can help you get this over with."

Next thing ya know the receiver will have diarreah of the mouth in hopes that the "nice guy" cops will just go away and let him off with a warning. No such luck. Receiver will have now admitted guilt and be hauled off to jail. No plea bargain to barter either since it's an almost guaranteed conviction with a confession.
 
Slyder190 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but in Legal Muscle, doesn't Mr. Collins say that this little so called trick doesn't work?

Hmmm, I'm cited in that book so I should know this. :) I know Rick tends to be a little conservative and is also very well aware that if the Feds want to fuck you, all the excuses in the world won't matter. You need a lawyer.

No use bitching about unfair it is. It is what it is.
 
Be careful. Most domestic sources do not send packs that have to be signed for. If you got a card in your mailbox stating you have a pack to pick up...you are probably safe going to get it....BUT you said the post office called you?!? That right there is a RED flag my friend. Why are you so important that they are taking time out of their busy day to call you? As said earlier, a detective isnt going to sit there all day waiting on you to pick up a pack...probably true....HOWEVER, the post office doesnt need a detective to wait on you....when you go pick up that pack, the clerk will go to the back. You will be waiting for what seems like forever. A new person will show up with the pack named "The Postmaster General" His office is there at the Post office. HE CAN ARREST YOU. I would call it a loss myself.
 
A few things to consider :

You don't have to open the package for them to charge you with it. If you come in contact with it, that includes writing RETURN TO SENDER on it, that is all they need.

The only people getting busted on the property of the post office are the ones that use P.O. Boxes. If you have a street address that it is going to, they are not going to call you down to the post office to bust you. They are going to bust you at home. Why? Because that increases the chance of them finding additional things to charge you with. Guns, rec drugs, hot cable boxes, INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROID GAME, whatever else. The reason they do this is because smart guys know that unless they have been charged/arrested of a crime before, they will cop a First Offender's Plea which gurantees you no jail time. (although some cases like rape, murder, etc.. First Offender is not given as an option.) So they bust you at home, you might escape the possession/distribution charge, but they land some more charges on you for weapons, recs, etc... and you are not going to be given many other alternatives. The more they charge you with the stronger the case. The law works in ways that benefit them. Not you.

And keep in mind that they don't have to bust you right away, they can keep that evidence for on down the road. When they get close to nailing someone big and they need the final nail in the coffin. That is when you are rounded up at 5AM in the morning and taken to the station and told "14 months ago you received a package from XXXXXXXX that contained XXXXXXX and XXXXXXX in these quantities..(pulls out photographs and sheets)..." That's when they start in with "it can all go away if you do this...." type of shit.

So let's be reasonable. People beat on their chests and cry about "I won't ever snitch". That's bullshit. The only people that don't snitch are the ones who don't have the option cause the cops don't need their cooperation. They wait until the time is right, you just got married, you are currently in a divorce/child custody fight, you lost your job, etc... then they come knocking and your ass doesn't have a chance to consider anything else.

So take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself are you really being as safe as you possibly can? Is the potential trouble worth doing this for when most of you won't even achieve a physique good enough for International Male no matter how much shit you use?

Hmmm... makes you wonder huh?
 
he could live in a town with only a few residents and a small post office. they may be doing that as a courtesy in case he didnt get the card, ever think of that? i wouldnt see calling him in a large metro area but a small hometown sure
 
AAP said:
A few things to consider :

You don't have to open the package for them to charge you with it. If you come in contact with it, that includes writing RETURN TO SENDER on it, that is all they need.

The only people getting busted on the property of the post office are the ones that use P.O. Boxes. If you have a street address that it is going to, they are not going to call you down to the post office to bust you. They are going to bust you at home. Why? Because that increases the chance of them finding additional things to charge you with. Guns, rec drugs, hot cable boxes, INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROID GAME, whatever else. The reason they do this is because smart guys know that unless they have been charged/arrested of a crime before, they will cop a First Offender's Plea which gurantees you no jail time. (although some cases like rape, murder, etc.. First Offender is not given as an option.) So they bust you at home, you might escape the possession/distribution charge, but they land some more charges on you for weapons, recs, etc... and you are not going to be given many other alternatives. The more they charge you with the stronger the case. The law works in ways that benefit them. Not you.

And keep in mind that they don't have to bust you right away, they can keep that evidence for on down the road. When they get close to nailing someone big and they need the final nail in the coffin. That is when you are rounded up at 5AM in the morning and taken to the station and told "14 months ago you received a package from XXXXXXXX that contained XXXXXXX and XXXXXXX in these quantities..(pulls out photographs and sheets)..." That's when they start in with "it can all go away if you do this...." type of shit.

So let's be reasonable. People beat on their chests and cry about "I won't ever snitch". That's bullshit. The only people that don't snitch are the ones who don't have the option cause the cops don't need their cooperation. They wait until the time is right, you just got married, you are currently in a divorce/child custody fight, you lost your job, etc... then they come knocking and your ass doesn't have a chance to consider anything else.

So take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself are you really being as safe as you possibly can? Is the potential trouble worth doing this for when most of you won't even achieve a physique good enough for International Male no matter how much shit you use?

Hmmm... makes you wonder huh?

AAP, not pickin an argument with you or callin you out, I have much respect for you. What I have to question you about here is how can 14 months down the road one be arrested for accepting a package? I'm not familiar with any particular laws, but I don't see how this could hold up in a court of law.
 
Slyder190 said:
AAP, not pickin an argument with you or callin you out, I have much respect for you. What I have to question you about here is how can 14 months down the road one be arrested for accepting a package? I'm not familiar with any particular laws, but I don't see how this could hold up in a court of law.
when the dea/fbi starts a drug case they will make controlled buys for up to a year from the dealer. when the shit hits the fan, all of the charges will be applied from the first controlled buy to the last, to whatever the dealer had in posession when he was finally busted. the same goes for an instance with steroid buyers.
 
matty420 said:
when the dea/fbi starts a drug case they will make controlled buys for up to a year from the dealer. when the shit hits the fan, all of the charges will be applied from the first controlled buy to the last, to whatever the dealer had in posession when he was finally busted. the same goes for an instance with steroid buyers.


In my state they can wait 7 years to bust you from the date you commited any felony, but it's usually somewhere between 1 to 3 months. 7 years would be the max and apply mostly towards you if you were part of a huge ongoing investigation. I mean John Gotti huge.

Federal charges as this would also be are probably what matty420 is referring to. State and federal laws are different but you could be charged with both.

Massive 1000 brings up a good point about the postmaster general possibly arresting you. I'd write it off as a loss. You shouldn't be spending more than you can afford to lose anyway. If you did, think of it as an expensive lesson, but less costly overall than jail.
 
Write it off as a loss, exactly.

If you think the possibility of a problem went up even 20% due to the circumstances then why bother. 90% of people who get caught would tell you getting too comfortable/cavalier played a role in it.

Nothing would be worse that if you knew of a situation, sat down and considered your options, then what you came up with was "Aw fuck it, I'll do it anyways"....That'd sting for a long time.
 
Slyder190 said:
AAP, not pickin an argument with you or callin you out, I have much respect for you. What I have to question you about here is how can 14 months down the road one be arrested for accepting a package? I'm not familiar with any particular laws, but I don't see how this could hold up in a court of law.


They claim that they were still investigating the entire spectrum of steroid dealings and distribution and didn't want to tip their hand early and make people suspicious.

They could say that they were still evidence gathering.

They technically don't have to bust you right then. They really don't have to bust you at all. Sort of like not paying a parking ticket. The deadline day passes and you don't pay, they don't run to your home and bust you then.

When the average steroid user (not dealer or remailer) gets pinched it is usually for a couple of reasons.

1 - they are hoping to flip them and get evidence going towards bigger fish. If they are trying to fry a big guy and can't seem to get enough to nail him down, then they will bust a smaller guy and hope he squeals. If not, they bust another smaller guy and then another and another.

2 - the user they bust is someone that they probably need to get their hands on for other reasons. A controlled delivery gurantees them access to that person's home. Which they may need to investigate rec drugs, murder (remember THAT source that was taken down for murder?), distribution info, etc..

3 - the user is generally someone that they can't stand and pissed them off someway. It could be someone that is a loudmouth, or they have a personal vendetta against, or just a typical meathead asshole. getting multiple packages all the time, fronting out flash cars, being a player on the party scene (I know one guy busted for roids for no other reason than he hung out in the South Beach party and they were looking for a key player to help break up the X and K sales down there.

Once you take a controlled delivery, that's it. They can bust you anytime they want. Technically you would want them to wait as long as possible and not bust you right away. They could nail a bigger fish down the road and then deem it not worth the time and effort to take you down. If they can get all they want out of one person, there isn't a need to parade 2-3 other small time users through the show. Besides they figure eventually karma will get you anyway in a different form. You get an absess, you get scammed (that'll teach you buy drugs you fool), your wife find outs, etc.. they know you will eventually get yours in the end and there is no reason to heap shit on you unnecessary if they are already in the end zone with other evidence.

In South FL, much like CA, the physique culture is dominant. Anytime you live in a popular destination with warm weather year around where shorts and tank tops are everyday attire, where you can swim in the ocean even in Febuary and get a sunburn, well you know roid use is going to be wide spread. I have personally known MANY people to get busted down here. For roids and other shit.

If you are hell bound and determined to get arrested, here is some general advice...

Pick your location to get busted. Hope you are renting your home. Otherwise that house/condo can be seized. Better not get busted at a friend/relatives house either for this same reason.

You never get busted for just roids. You end up with at least half a dozen charges. Possession, felony use of US mail service, distribution (based on what they determine is too much for personal use), if you are at the post office, you get illegal possession on federal property - sounds like a redundant charge to the original possession one, but trust me, they throw that on there, your vehicle is seized, you better pray that post office is not in the vicinity of a school zone, intimidation of federal employees - for those of you who insist on walking around with imaginary lat syndrome in effect and the hardcore Animal Pack scowl/stare on your face.. and this is not even counting what they find when they go through your personal effects.

If you do get busted and it is your first time, don't fuck around with a high price attorney. You are going to be offered the same shit you would get from a public defender. First Offender deal is available for anyone. No attorney can "get" you that, so don't fall for that line about paying thousands for someone to get you that special deal because it is already available to you. If it isn't your first felony bust, then consider an attorney. Or at least a psychiatrist to help you figure out why your ass didn't stay out of trouble in the first place after the first charge.
Also, if busted even for a personal amount, you may want to consider actually telling them that you don't use drugs, but were just going to sale them. This sounds like terrible advice but consider what happened to two different guys at my gym. (you can do a search on my name from years ago when I first posted this with newspaper links in greater details)

Dude 1 - busted with about 20 different vials of roids, multiple bottles of viagra, vicodens, xanax, hydrocodon cough syrup.
His charges were :
Possession
Distribution

His sentencing was :
5 years probation
$3500 fine
200 hours community service
He had to physically check in with probation officer each month and take a drug test. After the first year, he had already paid his fine, finished his community service they put him on Administrative Probation (I think that is the term) and allowed him to just phone in and leave a voice mail each month for the next four years.

Dude 2 - Got busted with 4 amps of Sust in his pocket. Basically what happened was he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got his ass detained and frisked where they found it.

His charges were :

Possession
Give false address. Which technically he didn't do, they asked him where he lived and he gave them his address - which was his real one where he had been living over a year, however when they looked at his license, he still had his old address on his license and they charged him with giving false information. This goes to show how they try to increase the charges.

His sentencing :
3 years probation
$2000 fine
200 hours community service
Drug test monthly at probationers office

He used a public defender under the First Offender plea.

Now because he told the cops this was for his own use, trying to get it down to personal use level in hopes they would let him walk, he also had to :

Go to Narcotics Anonymous (because it required a syringe for administration) twice a week for 18 months.
Go to 26 sessions of psychic evaluation / drug counseling
Go to 26 sessions (once a week for 6 months) of Abuse and Recovery treatment which he had to pay $300 per month in fees for.

He also paid $4000 for a private attorney which got him... guess what? First Offender plea.

Now you add it up
$4000 attorney
$2000 fine
$1800 treatment fees

3 days a week (2 for NA meetings, 1 for the Abuse/Recovery meetings) where he could not plan to do anything those evenings like work out or be with his family because he had to drive across town and attend meetings

The weekends that he missed catching up on his sleep, having fun, watching sports, etc.. because he had to do community service.

So which one got the better bargain.

Moral here is, don't get busted. Second moral is, if you do, get busted smart.
 
AAP said:
They claim that they were still investigating the entire spectrum of steroid dealings and distribution and didn't want to tip their hand early and make people suspicious.

They could say that they were still evidence gathering.

They technically don't have to bust you right then. They really don't have to bust you at all. Sort of like not paying a parking ticket. The deadline day passes and you don't pay, they don't run to your home and bust you then.

When the average steroid user (not dealer or remailer) gets pinched it is usually for a couple of reasons.

1 - they are hoping to flip them and get evidence going towards bigger fish. If they are trying to fry a big guy and can't seem to get enough to nail him down, then they will bust a smaller guy and hope he squeals. If not, they bust another smaller guy and then another and another.

2 - the user they bust is someone that they probably need to get their hands on for other reasons. A controlled delivery gurantees them access to that person's home. Which they may need to investigate rec drugs, murder (remember THAT source that was taken down for murder?), distribution info, etc..

3 - the user is generally someone that they can't stand and pissed them off someway. It could be someone that is a loudmouth, or they have a personal vendetta against, or just a typical meathead asshole. getting multiple packages all the time, fronting out flash cars, being a player on the party scene (I know one guy busted for steroids for no other reason than he hung out in the South Beach party and they were looking for a key player to help break up the X and K sales down there.

Once you take a controlled delivery, that's it. They can bust you anytime they want. Technically you would want them to wait as long as possible and not bust you right away. They could nail a bigger fish down the road and then deem it not worth the time and effort to take you down. If they can get all they want out of one person, there isn't a need to parade 2-3 other small time users through the show. Besides they figure eventually karma will get you anyway in a different form. You get an absess, you get scammed (that'll teach you buy drugs you fool), your wife find outs, etc.. they know you will eventually get yours in the end and there is no reason to heap shit on you unnecessary if they are already in the end zone with other evidence.

In South FL, much like CA, the physique culture is dominant. Anytime you live in a popular destination with warm weather year around where shorts and tank tops are everyday attire, where you can swim in the ocean even in Febuary and get a sunburn, well you know roid use is going to be wide spread. I have personally known MANY people to get busted down here. For steroids and other shit.

If you are hell bound and determined to get arrested, here is some general advice...

Pick your location to get busted. Hope you are renting your home. Otherwise that house/condo can be seized. Better not get busted at a friend/relatives house either for this same reason.

You never get busted for just steroids. You end up with at least half a dozen charges. Possession, felony use of US mail service, distribution (based on what they determine is too much for personal use), if you are at the post office, you get illegal possession on federal property - sounds like a redundant charge to the original possession one, but trust me, they throw that on there, your vehicle is seized, you better pray that post office is not in the vicinity of a school zone, intimidation of federal employees - for those of you who insist on walking around with imaginary lat syndrome in effect and the hardcore Animal Pack scowl/stare on your face.. and this is not even counting what they find when they go through your personal effects.

If you do get busted and it is your first time, don't fuck around with a high price attorney. You are going to be offered the same shit you would get from a public defender. First Offender deal is available for anyone. No attorney can "get" you that, so don't fall for that line about paying thousands for someone to get you that special deal because it is already available to you. If it isn't your first felony bust, then consider an attorney. Or at least a psychiatrist to help you figure out why your ass didn't stay out of trouble in the first place after the first charge.
Also, if busted even for a personal amount, you may want to consider actually telling them that you don't use drugs, but were just going to sale them. This sounds like terrible advice but consider what happened to two different guys at my gym. (you can do a search on my name from years ago when I first posted this with newspaper links in greater details)

Dude 1 - busted with about 20 different vials of steroids, multiple bottles of viagra, vicodens, xanax, hydrocodon cough syrup.
His charges were :
Possession
Distribution

His sentencing was :
5 years probation
$3500 fine
200 hours community service
He had to physically check in with probation officer each month and take a drug test. After the first year, he had already paid his fine, finished his community service they put him on Administrative Probation (I think that is the term) and allowed him to just phone in and leave a voice mail each month for the next four years.

Dude 2 - Got busted with 4 amps of Sustanon in his pocket. Basically what happened was he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got his ass detained and frisked where they found it.

His charges were :

Possession
Give false address. Which technically he didn't do, they asked him where he lived and he gave them his address - which was his real one where he had been living over a year, however when they looked at his license, he still had his old address on his license and they charged him with giving false information. This goes to show how they try to increase the charges.

His sentencing :
3 years probation
$2000 fine
200 hours community service
Drug test monthly at probationers office

He used a public defender under the First Offender plea.

Now because he told the cops this was for his own use, trying to get it down to personal use level in hopes they would let him walk, he also had to :

Go to Narcotics Anonymous (because it required a syringe for administration) twice a week for 18 months.
Go to 26 sessions of psychic evaluation / drug counseling
Go to 26 sessions (once a week for 6 months) of Abuse and Recovery treatment which he had to pay $300 per month in fees for.

He also paid $4000 for a private attorney which got him... guess what? First Offender plea.

Now you add it up
$4000 attorney
$2000 fine
$1800 treatment fees

3 days a week (2 for NA meetings, 1 for the Abuse/Recovery meetings) where he could not plan to do anything those evenings like work out or be with his family because he had to drive across town and attend meetings

The weekends that he missed catching up on his sleep, having fun, watching sports, etc.. because he had to do community service.

So which one got the better bargain.

Moral here is, don't get busted. Second moral is, if you do, get busted smart.

Thank you for posting this. I'm glad I'm not the only guy on here that learns from others mistakes. You are spot on with the whole possibility of getting busted just because you are a high profile individual. I used to think my shit didn't stink and I was pretty much a dick to anyone under 225 lbs. Then a few of my close friends got popped and DEA came a knockin' on my door. I was only questioned but it scared me enough to realize that I better carry myself with a more humble demeanor. Being the cocky, asshole, buffed bouncer type that bangs all the hot sluts may look cool to all the other guys, but being that same guy in front of a judge when you are in trouble is not.

For the most part, I'm a true non-conformist that believes that there is a huge difference between illegal and immoral. I'm also a guy that really hates cops in general. However, I have many friends that are in law enforcement. They really aren't much different than I am. When very young, I chose to workout and get muscles/size to get respect from others and get laid. They likely chose LE as a career for similar reasons(it just happens much more quickly). They sure as hell didn't do it for the pay! By remaning cordial to LE I come in contact with I'm much more likely to be slip by off the radar screen when they are looking for a guy to bust on AAS. I feel that this is well worth carrying myself in a way that I'm not rubbing my accomplishments in everyone's face 24/7 by sporting my physique everywhere I go. The only place you'll ever see me in a tight short sleeved t shirt or tank top is the gym and where I live we just broke a record for being 110 degress + for 30 days in a row.
 
BigCracker said:
That's standard post office protocol-at least where I live. It could be a controled delivery, but are they really going to pay a detective to sit around at the post office waiting for someone to come pick up a package??? What if that person says they're on they're way and something comes up where they can't make it there before closing time? Are they gonna pay the cop to come sit around again the next day for another opportunity to bust the guy when the guy could get killed in a car accident on the way or have more important things to do?

Believe me, I'm one of the most paranoid(cautious) guys here but based on the information given, I see no reason for everyone to be on red alert specifically for GA Labs. I also think that a controled delivery at your crib, on site, makes for a better case than being called in to take a fuckin'. For all the person being called knows their mother is mailing them an early X-mas present and it needs to be signed for. I guarantee you the return addy/sender name isn't GA Labs Inc. 123 Juicer Street Biggsville, Texas USA, so how can a person know exactly who/what is in the package or who it was from (beyond a reasonable doubt)? It would be pretty tough to prove any wrongdoing in court. A home, signed, delivery isn't much different. It just seems more provable in court than being some innocent victim lured to the Post Office to get wrongfully busted for something they may have known nothing about.

What if I ordered a package of X-large buttplugs online and had it sent to stewfoos home address as a surprise birthday present? Should he just never sign for a package again in case it's drugs???


LOL @ stewfoos.

Controlled delivery or not even to your home and the package in your name, anyone could have sent it to lets say try and set you up. My guess would be them trying to get hard evidence like emails to back that up...just a guess...I dont actually order or do steroids I just like talking about them
 
AAP said:
They claim that they were still investigating the entire spectrum of steroid dealings and distribution and didn't want to tip their hand early and make people suspicious.

They could say that they were still evidence gathering.

They technically don't have to bust you right then. They really don't have to bust you at all. Sort of like not paying a parking ticket. The deadline day passes and you don't pay, they don't run to your home and bust you then.

When the average steroid user (not dealer or remailer) gets pinched it is usually for a couple of reasons.

1 - they are hoping to flip them and get evidence going towards bigger fish. If they are trying to fry a big guy and can't seem to get enough to nail him down, then they will bust a smaller guy and hope he squeals. If not, they bust another smaller guy and then another and another.

2 - the user they bust is someone that they probably need to get their hands on for other reasons. A controlled delivery gurantees them access to that person's home. Which they may need to investigate rec drugs, murder (remember THAT source that was taken down for murder?), distribution info, etc..

3 - the user is generally someone that they can't stand and pissed them off someway. It could be someone that is a loudmouth, or they have a personal vendetta against, or just a typical meathead asshole. getting multiple packages all the time, fronting out flash cars, being a player on the party scene (I know one guy busted for steroids for no other reason than he hung out in the South Beach party and they were looking for a key player to help break up the X and K sales down there.

Once you take a controlled delivery, that's it. They can bust you anytime they want. Technically you would want them to wait as long as possible and not bust you right away. They could nail a bigger fish down the road and then deem it not worth the time and effort to take you down. If they can get all they want out of one person, there isn't a need to parade 2-3 other small time users through the show. Besides they figure eventually karma will get you anyway in a different form. You get an absess, you get scammed (that'll teach you buy drugs you fool), your wife find outs, etc.. they know you will eventually get yours in the end and there is no reason to heap shit on you unnecessary if they are already in the end zone with other evidence.

In South FL, much like CA, the physique culture is dominant. Anytime you live in a popular destination with warm weather year around where shorts and tank tops are everyday attire, where you can swim in the ocean even in Febuary and get a sunburn, well you know roid use is going to be wide spread. I have personally known MANY people to get busted down here. For steroids and other shit.

If you are hell bound and determined to get arrested, here is some general advice...

Pick your location to get busted. Hope you are renting your home. Otherwise that house/condo can be seized. Better not get busted at a friend/relatives house either for this same reason.

You never get busted for just steroids. You end up with at least half a dozen charges. Possession, felony use of US mail service, distribution (based on what they determine is too much for personal use), if you are at the post office, you get illegal possession on federal property - sounds like a redundant charge to the original possession one, but trust me, they throw that on there, your vehicle is seized, you better pray that post office is not in the vicinity of a school zone, intimidation of federal employees - for those of you who insist on walking around with imaginary lat syndrome in effect and the hardcore Animal Pack scowl/stare on your face.. and this is not even counting what they find when they go through your personal effects.

If you do get busted and it is your first time, don't fuck around with a high price attorney. You are going to be offered the same shit you would get from a public defender. First Offender deal is available for anyone. No attorney can "get" you that, so don't fall for that line about paying thousands for someone to get you that special deal because it is already available to you. If it isn't your first felony bust, then consider an attorney. Or at least a psychiatrist to help you figure out why your ass didn't stay out of trouble in the first place after the first charge.
Also, if busted even for a personal amount, you may want to consider actually telling them that you don't use drugs, but were just going to sale them. This sounds like terrible advice but consider what happened to two different guys at my gym. (you can do a search on my name from years ago when I first posted this with newspaper links in greater details)

Dude 1 - busted with about 20 different vials of steroids, multiple bottles of viagra, vicodens, xanax, hydrocodon cough syrup.
His charges were :
Possession
Distribution

His sentencing was :
5 years probation
$3500 fine
200 hours community service
He had to physically check in with probation officer each month and take a drug test. After the first year, he had already paid his fine, finished his community service they put him on Administrative Probation (I think that is the term) and allowed him to just phone in and leave a voice mail each month for the next four years.

Dude 2 - Got busted with 4 amps of Sustanon in his pocket. Basically what happened was he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got his ass detained and frisked where they found it.

His charges were :

Possession
Give false address. Which technically he didn't do, they asked him where he lived and he gave them his address - which was his real one where he had been living over a year, however when they looked at his license, he still had his old address on his license and they charged him with giving false information. This goes to show how they try to increase the charges.

His sentencing :
3 years probation
$2000 fine
200 hours community service
Drug test monthly at probationers office

He used a public defender under the First Offender plea.

Now because he told the cops this was for his own use, trying to get it down to personal use level in hopes they would let him walk, he also had to :

Go to Narcotics Anonymous (because it required a syringe for administration) twice a week for 18 months.
Go to 26 sessions of psychic evaluation / drug counseling
Go to 26 sessions (once a week for 6 months) of Abuse and Recovery treatment which he had to pay $300 per month in fees for.

He also paid $4000 for a private attorney which got him... guess what? First Offender plea.

Now you add it up
$4000 attorney
$2000 fine
$1800 treatment fees

3 days a week (2 for NA meetings, 1 for the Abuse/Recovery meetings) where he could not plan to do anything those evenings like work out or be with his family because he had to drive across town and attend meetings

The weekends that he missed catching up on his sleep, having fun, watching sports, etc.. because he had to do community service.

So which one got the better bargain.

Moral here is, don't get busted. Second moral is, if you do, get busted smart.

Good post

Wrongun!
 
matty420 said:
when the dea/fbi starts a drug case they will make controlled buys for up to a year from the dealer. when the shit hits the fan, all of the charges will be applied from the first controlled buy to the last, to whatever the dealer had in posession when he was finally busted. the same goes for an instance with steroid buyers.

Yea but if they provided YOU with an illegal substance, they would be libel. Buying and selling is different.

As soon as you open (or sign for) your package - they are coming through the door.
 
holy ghost said:
bs i am in full communication with their reps

they are the best UGL out bottom line

best ta/comunication


I dont know about that...They use the same powders as 8% of other labs....They just have nice labels so better resell value. But cost is a nice little rape compared to other labs with same gear.

Like i say, next time I get something from them I might as well take my pants down, bend over and let them shuv it in.

But i wouldnt be worried that you had to sign for it. Sometimes the oack wont fit into the PO
 
whatever you say omega
I use GA and AXIO as top UGLS

let the human grade speak for itself
GA is pricey but you pay cheap you pay twice =)
 
holy ghost said:
whatever you say omega
I use GA and AXIO as top UGLS

let the human grade speak for itself
GA is pricey but you pay cheap you pay twice =)


No, not if you know what your doing. I can name at least a dozen UGL that are just as good as both GA and AXIO. Im not going to name them in EF for privacey converns. But I have seen test on all of them. Their all the ssame shit being used for powders. The only difference is usually the environment their made in. And those types are not listed in my top 12, all witch are much cheaper.

Hell, even pharm grade organoncan be cheaper thenGA and AXIO for 10ml amps
 
galaxy said:
I believe a few weeks ago there was some issues going on that may end up effecting GA labs. Of course it had to do with a big source on SSB being busted and having lots of info on everyone. Of course no one is proactive and sitll wants cheap gear with all the risks and then will bitch when a truck full of MIB are at there door. Me, I wouldnt use them but I have too much to risk. Apparently some just dont give a fuck or would just "rat" with no problem.


Not that I wanted to be able to say " I told you so"
 
Mrpumped said:
I don't understand why anyone would still order from the sources on that "other" site. The feds, as far as I'm concerned, are lurking there so don't be surprised if GAlabs is being ran by the feds right now. Also, watch out for the "I just communicated with them bla, bla, bla", people because you never know.

Another one even calls it.
 
Amazing some of the advice given out in this thread and then look what happened. The reason this is all going down is that people got way too comfortable. I remember when I found my first open source board. I was dumbfounded. If I could find it by accident, I'm pretty sure the feds knew it was there. This is terrible but it was bound to happen.
 
galaxy said:
Another one even calls it.

nobody wanted to listen to ya or even Big cracker when he was talking about the chem research labs about to go down cause they are related or involved in the A AS realm too. Good call galaxy. if you hear anything else coming down give us the heads up.

ER
 
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