If you want to double your gains then double your dose.

[Big Brother Val]

if I take 20025mg a day instead of the 35mg I did, do you think the back pain would be less painful or was it the kidneys ?

I'm not a guru or anything... but at 20025 mgs a day, you may have a little kidney pain. Just take some cranberry extract... and drink a lot of water.



BigPapaPump: Very nice post. I'm currently taking 400 mgs of test every 48 hours... and really liking it. However, I will stay on longer than 10 weeks... as I progress better with long cycles.

A friend of mine starting taking test, and loaded almost 1000 mgs a week. On weeks he "couldn't make it to the gym", he wouldn't take the test, then on weeks he did, he'd take it. His diet was terrible... and he had a habit of eating a bag of nacho cheese doritos and a 1 litre of Mountain Dew for lunch. He gained NOTHING... and then told me his test was fake.

I agree with Ulter on this, but didn't need any tests to be done to be convinced, it's what I've found to be true since I started the steroid game 3 years ago.

 

[sk*]

I don't think there is any question here that more gear will give more results, thats obvious. IMO, at the same time, just doubling your dose won't keep giving you double your gains ... no not cause i've tried it but because I use logic. If doubling could keep making me gain double the lbm I'd win the olympia within 2-3years.

Also, I couldn't look at the study, gave an error page when I tried to open the pdf file.

-sk

 

[Dark_Stalker]

I'm not a guru or anything... but at 20025 mgs a day, you may have a little kidney pain. Just take some cranberry extract... and drink a lot of water.

Sorry bro, I meant 20-25mg hehe, I guess you noticed it anyway

Cranberry extract might help, I'll add it to my next cycle, thanks for the info !

 

[Fonz]

I'm making this a sticky because I'm dying to hear what the low-dose people have to say........

Fonz

 

[slobberknocker]

Also, I couldn't look at the study, gave an error page when I tried to open the pdf file.

-sk

same here

 

[Ulter]

The board may have truncated the link. Here is another one.
It's the last study on the left bottom.

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/bjaarki_library.htm

 

[DTOX]

I read the study (the 2nd link works), and I have to concede that Ulster's original statement appears to be correct: 600mg/wk of Test Enth. is going to give you double the gains you'd get on 300mg/wk of Test Enth.

I don't think that necessarily discredits what others have said though, that as you get closer to the upper limit of one's receptors that the gains are going to level off; 2g/wk of Test isn't going to give you double the gains of 1g/wk of Test.

It certainly changes the picture for discussing cycles that are 600mg/wk or below though.

Now I wish they would have included 900mg/wk and 1,200mg/wk in the study!

 

[Ulter]

"Now I wish they would have included 900mg/wk and 1,200mg/wk in the study!"

I can just see the line for the study volunteers winding down the highway from state to state.


I sat here looking at the sticky threads by Nelson, Quadsweep, Realgains and the rest of the "sane moderators" telling guys to use 300mg for their first cycle for two months running. E2 tried, I tried, conan tried, several other vets tried to get people to understand that this was a mistake to use 300mg instead of 600mg. The truth is now evident that all those that followed this "sane" advice were in fact cheated out of what were probably well deserved gains and for no good reason.

Like Fonz I am still waiting to see what possible argument they have left.

 

[sk*]

"Now I wish they would have included 900mg/wk and 1,200mg/wk in the study!"

I can just see the line for the study volunteers winding down the highway from state to state.


I sat here looking at the sticky threads by Nelson, Quadsweep, Realgains and the rest of the "sane moderators" telling guys to use 300mg for their first cycle for two months running. E2 tried, I tried, conan tried, several other vets tried to get people to understand that this was a mistake to use 300mg instead of 600mg. The truth is now evident that all those that followed this "sane" advice were in fact cheated out of what were probably well deserved gains and for no good reason.

Like Fonz I am still waiting to see what possible argument they have left.

Yea 300mg of anything is a complete waste. My first cycle was 200mg deca throughout and 400 for a couple weeks, big waste.

Probably hurt myself more than helped.

-sk

 

[FBodyGuy]

Interesting post...

Double your Dose... Double your bitch tits & hair loss!

On another note. I think that 500mg a week is an optimal dosage for gains. It's probably not worth toying around with 250-300mg of gear... do it right the first time around.

1g of a gear a week?! wow... not for me.