If you want to double your gains then double your dose.

[TheDarkSideNinja]

Diabolical....

I totally agree with your logic bro couldn't have said it better. No need for any1 to do more than 500mgs for 1st cycle!!!

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

I'm no juice guru, but that's saying that if someone is taking 1.5g's of test a week they can take 3 and double their gains. Then theoretically someone could easily weigh 400 muscular pounds. Hell, why just double, take 10g's of test a week. The law of diminishing returns applies to all things. Of course, with in reason increasing the dosage will increase gains. You said that doubling your dose will double your gains period, how can one study back that up. I guess it all comes down to how much you are willing to risk your health for 3 more pounds. That doesn't make sense to me. Like I said, I'm sure most people on this board know more about gear than me, but that is my honest logical opinion. If anyone would like to tear holes in my logic, and explain why I am wrong please do so. I am here to educate myself, you won't hurt my feelings.

 

[sk*]

IMO, a jump from 300mg to 600mg of test might contribute double the gains, but if you go from 1g to 2g it will not.

A lot of it matters what part of the game you are in, but yea I agree with you at least on what you said in the original post.

-sk

 

[sk*]

I'm no juice guru, but that's saying that if someone is taking 1.5g's of test a week they can take 3 and double their gains. Then theoretically someone could easily weigh 400 muscular pounds. Hell, why just double, take 10g's of test a week. The law of diminishing returns applies to all things. Of course, with in reason increasing the dosage will increase gains. You said that doubling your dose will double your gains period, how can one study back that up. I guess it all comes down to how much you are willing to risk your health for 3 more pounds. That doesn't make sense to me. Like I said, I'm sure most people on this board know more about gear than me, but that is my honest logical opinion. If anyone would like to tear holes in my logic, and explain why I am wrong please do so. I am here to educate myself, you won't hurt my feelings.

Sorry, hadn't read your post before I replied, but sums up what I was thinking nicely.

-sk

 

[DeepZenPill]

All you high dose bastards can go to hell

If my body didn't like getting stretch marks so easily, and if my tendons weren't girly-men, I would go with higher doses. For some of us safety while cycling is paramount. People who lose hair easily, or get gyno easily, get stretch marks easily, etc.

It is quite interesting that you can actually double your gains with that increase though, but low dose cycles aren't worthless.

 

[GodOfThunder]

This doubing your results idea is obsurd. A friend I know gained 25 pounds on 350 mg sust a week...do you mean to say that on 700mg a week it would have been 50 lbs? I think not. I am all for low does cycles....especially becase not eeryone is into the whole massive look thing. I tryed that out and its not my bag. I'd rather be shredded.

 

[shoichi]

Is the ratio of gear doses to gains retained the same? Or do you end up losing more post cycle?

I still have the belief that +15 on cycle, 12+ post cycle is more feasible than +30 on cycle, +24 post cycle. I don't have any scientific "proof" or explanations, it's just what I've observed with my friends.

 

[sk*]

This doubing your results idea is obsurd. A friend I know gained 25 pounds on 350 mg sust a week...do you mean to say that on 700mg a week it would have been 50 lbs? I think not. I am all for low does cycles....especially becase not eeryone is into the whole massive look thing. I tryed that out and its not my bag. I'd rather be shredded.

Well for one, noone can gain 25lbs of lbm within 12 weeks or so (I am just assuming 12weeks). Most people just gain fat/water and like to add it to the weight and claim they have put on 25lbs.

Took me a while to understand that putting on lbm is HARD, weather on or off "anabolics."

-sk

 

[Ulter]

The results of that study show what me, E2, conan, The Ranger, and others have been saying for years. Doses to gains in on a straight line up. How far up the line goes we may never know.
The reason I made this post is that there are several people who were disputing this (Quadsweep, Nelson, RealGains,etc) and telling guys that there is not that much difference in using 300mg from 600mg for your first cycle.
This study which will be in next months endo-mag takes all the air out of their argument.

 

[gtrcivic]

Only have done 2 cycles in my life that were both Sustanon. 1st one did it for 6 wks at 250mg and gained 17lbs. 4 yrs later did 375 mg for 6 wks and gained the same, 17 lbs. Diet, workout, motivation was all the same. Only variable that may played a role was age. 26 yrs then 30 yrs the last cycle.

On 3rd cycle now of TT Eq at 300 mg/wk. After week 2, up 2 lbs right now, but getting vascular and leaner.