If you want to double your gains then double your dose.

[Ulter]

I'm not sure why you are insulting my reading skills. That chart has a mean line that goes right through 4kg at 300mg and 8kg at 600mg. Simple as that.
Maybe you should do what the other vets here do. Try it for yourself and see if you don't gain twice or nearly twice as much with 600 as you do with 300.

 

[str8cubano]

my first test cycle , which im comming off of, consisted of 20mg/dbol for 4 weeks, 600mg test Enth. weeks 1-10. I didn't even think about a lower dose..it would have done 500mg, but i was a mission to fix it up in the syringe, so 600 it was...and great dose..

 

[wyld1g]

I am considering it. I don't want to increase my risk vs. my rewards. I am doing 300 prop at the moment. Seems to be coming along well! I didn't mean to insult you though...you called me ignorant earlier!

 

[MR. BMJ]

HELL FUCKING YEAH!!!

This is a great thread Ulter!!! If you are serious about gaining size, bigger doses will always yield larger muscles. Anybody that has tried them know this. No ifs, ands, or butts about it! The only culprit I see with larger doses is that some are prone to gyno....BUT, this does not mean that the larger doses did not give more gains. If you are sensitive to gyno, then there are routes (anti-e's and inhibitors, etc...).

That being said, some may be able to get away with lower doses for "cosmetic" improvements, but if you are serious about gaining size for competing, then larger doses are a must unless you have phenomenal genetics.

About the amount of receptors....

From what I have read, and cockdezl has mentioned this in the past when he was here (not sure if he posted a study), but to saturate the AR receptors, the dosage seems to be fairly high....if I remember correctly, it is thought to be at around 2 grams per week (correct me if I am wrong though). That also being said, I don't advocate over 1 gram per week of test unless you want to really get serious about competing.

However, it is ridiculous to believe that 300 mg's Vs. 600mg's is even of question. At that dosage, sides are minimal between both, while the gains are dramatically more for the higher dosage.

BMJ

 

[wyld1g]

by the way...the mean line is for reference only guys...it shows were the study groups were in comparison with each other if you were to actually get a 100% increase in mass by double dose. I am here to learn as well...so if I was rude to people I apologize...K

 

[nlischi]

what about not cycling? that is, taking a low but steady dose without interruption? for example 200mg sustanon (or depotestosterone or delastryil) plus 200mg deca plus 140mg oxandrolone per week? I would be very curious of opinions about this, taking low doses all year round without cycles....

 

[Ulter]

That's what a lot of guys do nlischi
It's a good way to get big over a longer period while staying healthy. It's just expensive.

 

[Triple J]

There is no doubt dosages in the 300mg /wk range work well for the majority of newbies so why tell them to risk more sides until they know and understand how their bodies react? Its just not a good policy IMHO

 

[Ulter]

wyld1g and TJ, You have to see the underlying point here. They were responsible for whatever happened to these guys. And as such carry liability insurance for human trials to protect the clinic. The researchers had no reservations about giving out 600mg/wk of TE to these guys for 20 weeks. Add to that, they only had one guy leave with acne. Most guys here are only going to be doing 10 week cycles. 600mg is what YOU and anyone else cycling for the first time should be using.

 

[wyld1g]

Well my first experience with test was about 12 years ago. I used steris cyp @ 250 per wk for about 6 months. I didn't know anything about it. I went from 185 lbs to 215 @ 4-6%. Know that I think back, I recovered quick after I stopped w/o anti-e's of any kind. So maybe long term will work for some. I don't want to try 600 of prop because I would have to inject so much I'd be a walking oil can. You should never shoot more than 3 cc's in an IM site at one time! I will wait until my next cycle for a higher dosed product and see what the results will be.

I think if your an AS vet, you would proply require large doses for any gains, but if your a newbie and you choose 600 per wk with only one AS, you will probly gain like a mofo. But honestly, I didn't see double in thier study. thanx nuf said...