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I want to be on GH but dont want the Gyno

doublefister

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Hey guys I have been on TRT and my doc put me on HGH too. I wanted to be on the HGH to help heal my separated shoulder faster and then eventually when I do a cycle I can up the dose. So I just wanted to get it in my system. I worked my way up to 3.5IU's a day doing 5/2 and I ended up getting gyno. I would also lactate if I squeezed my nipples. For my TRT I was put on 100mg test cyp a week and 500IU's HCG a week.

I want to be on HGH for as long as possible but dont want to have to deal with gyno comin back. I know I can take Dostinex but its pretty expensive and to have to use it all year round is even more expensive. I dont mind the Letrozole but I dont think it will stop the prolactin issue will it? I am currently on it now for treating my gyno and am ready to get back on TRT after my bloodwork to see where to start me at for my next treatment.

Anyone have any suggestions? I know about Selegiline and Dostinex. Anything else?
 
I have NEVER heard of HGH causing Gyno... EVER. Sounds like more of a test/HCG issue to me. The lactating is very strange though...

Oh, and STOP SQUEEZING YOUR NIPPLES.
 
GH increases IGF ... IGF increases prolactin I beleive thus lactating.
ps. GH can cause gyno hyperplasia as mentioned by macro b4.
 
doublefister said:
Hey guys I have been on TRT and my doc put me on HGH too. I wanted to be on the HGH to help heal my separated shoulder faster and then eventually when I do a cycle I can up the dose. So I just wanted to get it in my system. I worked my way up to 3.5IU's a day doing 5/2 and I ended up getting gyno. I would also lactate if I squeezed my nipples. For my TRT I was put on 100mg test cyp a week and 500IU's HCG a week.

I want to be on HGH for as long as possible but dont want to have to deal with gyno comin back. I know I can take Dostinex but its pretty expensive and to have to use it all year round is even more expensive. I dont mind the Letrozole but I dont think it will stop the prolactin issue will it? I am currently on it now for treating my gyno and am ready to get back on TRT after my bloodwork to see where to start me at for my next treatment.

Anyone have any suggestions? I know about Selegiline and Dostinex. Anything else?

Totally disagree, HGH and IGF-1 do not cause gyno, the test will arimotase, that's it.
 
Man, yall suck ass.... I want some HGH but that shit is way to expensive. I need a quack doc to prescribe me that.
 
HCG is the most likely issue- (if it was in use at the time)


HGH can and does cause/exacerbate gyno.

note- there are many compounds that are not in any way estrogenic that cause and exacerbate gyno.
 
Do you think HGH could help with arthiritis symptons such as aching hands, back, toes, feet, shoulders, elbows, etc...
 
there are no studies, do know of a few cases where it has helped.

there are studies in juvenile arthritis, though there is a lot of question as to whether that translates.
 
I started to get gyno from gh. I never would have thought that's what was causing it until Mr. X posted about it. I stopped, did letro and all was good in a few weeks. I feel your pain, I wanted to keep on but not if gyno was an issue.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
I started to get gyno from gh. I never would have thought that's what was causing it until Mr. X posted about it. I stopped, did letro and all was good in a few weeks. I feel your pain, I wanted to keep on but not if gyno was an issue.


water retention from gh will subside after a few weeks, then after stopping will dissappear altogether in a short amount of time. I have taken gh and igf-1 for long periods, and high doseage and never saw anything more then simple water retention which after week 3 went away without ancilliaries.
 
indy69camaro said:
water retention from gh will subside after a few weeks, then after stopping will dissappear altogether in a short amount of time. I have taken gh and igf-1 for long periods, and high doseage and never saw anything more then simple water retention which after week 3 went away without ancilliaries.

that is probably true for a lot of people...

However....


remember, there are probably hundreds of guys that have run 2 grams plus without ever getting gyno and others that use 250mg a week and grow "knockers".

some guys run 150mcg of t3, never an issue, others 50mcg and they get itchy nipples and if continued- gyno.

some run 600mg+ nanadrolone, have awesome sex drive and never a bit of puffyness or gyno, others....


sometimes its hard to step outside and realize that just because it "does not happen to me" does not mean that someone else wont have that reaction. its actually one of the harder things to do. INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE VARIES :)
 
btw- since it has been widely pushed that estrogen is what causes gyno, its often harder in this aspect to look at the myriad of other causes objectively (because they have been basically swept aside by a few "gurus"- a word used very loosely and freely- unfortunately).
 
Best of luck getting rid of the gyno. Keep us updated as this is an interesting case. BTW, dostinex is not that expensive if you look around. Found some for $100 a bottle that should last a damn long time if taking 1 mg. or less per week. (30 weeks at mg. per week, lasts over a year at .5 mg per week- for $100 that's cheap!) Again, best of luck!

Also, I would like to know more about t3 and gyno! I don't plan to ever use t3 again, ughh... had too many negatives to it.


Jacob
 
Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 2002 Feb 2;146(5):222-4. Links
[A 35-year-old man with gynaecomastia as the first symptom of hyperthyroidism][Article in Dutch]
Mullens A, van den Bruel A, Vanderschueren D.
Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Universitair Ziekenhuis Gasthuisberg, Kliniek en Laboratorium voor Experimentele Geneeskunde en Endocrinologie, Herestraat 49, 3000 Leuven, Belgie.

A 35-year-old man suffered painful bilateral gynaecomastia for 2 months due to serious Graves' hyperthyroidism. During treatment with propylthiouracil and levothyroxine, the plasma concentrations of thyroid hormone, sex hormones and sex hormone-binding globulin normalised and the gynaecomastia disappeared. Gynaecomastia occurs in 30 to 40% of men diagnosed with Graves' hyperthyroidism. However, gynaecomastia as a presenting symptom of this autoimmune disease is uncommon.


Ann Acad Med Singapore. 1998 Jul;27(4):594-6. Links
Hyperthyroidism with gynaecomastia as the initial complaint: a case report.Ho HK, Loh KC.
Department of General Medicine, Tan Tock Seng Hospital, Singapore.

Although gynaecomastia is a well-documented manifestation among male patients with hyperthyroidism, it is extremely rare to present as the initial or chief complaint in a subject with undiagnosed hyperthyroidism. We report a case of a 38-year-old Chinese man presenting with painful enlargement of both breasts of one month's duration. Examination revealed bilateral tender gynaecomastia. In addition, he was noted to have warm and moist peripheries, resting tachycardia and an enlarged goitre. Hyperthyroidism was confirmed biochemically. Treatment of thyrotoxicosis resulted in resolution of the gynaecomastia. This case report demonstrates that gynaecomastia may predominate over the commonly recognised, more manifest and urgent symptoms of hyperthyroidism.


: Endocr Pract. 1997 Mar-Apr;3(2):80-1. Links
Gynecomastia as the initial manifestation of hyperthyroidism.Gordon DL, Brown JL, Emanuele NV, Hall L 3rd.
Division of Endocrinology, Department of Medicine, Loyola University of Chicago, Maywood, Illinois, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To present two new cases of gynecomastia as the initial manifestation of hyperthyroidism. METHODS: We describe detailed case reports of two men with breast enlargement who were found to have hyperthyroidism, and we review the related literature. RESULTS: Two men sought medical assistance because of unilateral tender gynecomastia. In one of these patients, thyroid, gonadal, and prostate examinations showed normal findings at the time of initial assessment, and symptoms of hyperthyroidism developed later. In our other patient with gynecomastia, other symptoms of hyperthyroidism--for example, nervousness, irritability, palpitations, and fatigue--had been present for a prolonged period but had been considered "normal" by the patient. In both patients, the hyperthyroidism was treated with radioiodine. Breast pain disappeared in both patients, and breast enlargement disappeared in one patient and was decreased in the other patient after euthyroidism was achieved. Review of the literature disclosed only two similar cases. CONCLUSION: Because of the rarity of gynecomastia as the initial symptom of hyperthyroidism, we believe that thyroid function tests are not indicated in the workup of patients whose major complaint is gynecomastia.

PMID: 15251481 [PubMed]
 
I really wanted to get up to 6IU's a day and then start my cycle but now Im debating if I should hold off on the HGH. I still have 4 kits sitting in the fridge begging for me everyday.

I go in tomorrow to get a bilateral ultrasound done on my chest to see if its bad or not. Since I been on the Letro I notice some odd changes in my left pec when before I never really felt anything. Now it kinda feels like its breaking everything up behind the nipple. Dont know if thats good or bad but probably good if I give it time.

I was following the TRT protocols from www.allthingsmale.com by Dr. John Crisler which includes HCG in his program. Two 250IU injections a week along with my 100mg test cyp. Im gonna get an extra blood test done during so probably around the 6th week to see how everything looks and then determine what it could be. I will leave out the HGH this time and see if it makes a difference. Would HCG cause prolactin issues or just estrogen related?
 
hold the fucking phone!! you got hgh from your doc cause of a dislocated shoulder?????? say it aint so
 
If you've found a doc to perscibe you HGH you're in a very enviable position.

That being said I'd study HGH more and you'll probably find that your gyno is from something else.
 
niv said:
hold the fucking phone!! you got hgh from your doc cause of a dislocated shoulder?????? say it aint so

No I actually qualified to get HGH but I wanted to use it for my shoulder more so than for anti-aging. I was put on TRT and the doc asked me if I was interested in HGH since my levels approved for it so I said sure sign me up.

Just got back from getting my ultrasound today and luckily I came back ok. No mass or lump at all. Now I can lean off the Letrozole.
 
I've seen gyno listed as a side effect of hGH but they also list that as a possible side effect of anavar (the actual product in the PDR). It might cause some hormonal fluctuations somehow, but nothing 10mg of Nolva wouldn't cure. I dont think it causes gyno directly if at all.
 
BBkingpin said:
I've seen gyno listed as a side effect of hGH but they also list that as a possible side effect of anavar (the actual product in the PDR). It might cause some hormonal fluctuations somehow, but nothing 10mg of Nolva wouldn't cure. I dont think it causes gyno directly if at all.

Yea I am definitely getting back on the GH as soon as I get back from my trip in vegas. I will also make sure to add Letro in there too so I dont have this problem again. It was definitely depressing for awhile and I dont want to go through all this trouble again.
 
doublefister said:
Hey guys I have been on TRT and my doc put me on HGH too. I wanted to be on the HGH to help heal my separated shoulder faster and then eventually when I do a cycle I can up the dose. So I just wanted to get it in my system. I worked my way up to 3.5IU's a day doing 5/2 and I ended up getting gyno. I would also lactate if I squeezed my nipples. For my TRT I was put on 100mg test cyp a week and 500IU's HCG a week.

I want to be on HGH for as long as possible but dont want to have to deal with gyno comin back. I know I can take Dostinex but its pretty expensive and to have to use it all year round is even more expensive. I dont mind the Letrozole but I dont think it will stop the prolactin issue will it? I am currently on it now for treating my gyno and am ready to get back on TRT after my bloodwork to see where to start me at for my next treatment.

Anyone have any suggestions? I know about Selegiline and Dostinex. Anything else?
My guess is its the HCG. it raises estrogen and test levels. Stop the HCG and see what happens...why are you doing HCg weekly anyway?

Q.
 
Hgh Causes Gyno About As Often As Aas Causes Suicide, I'd Say Yer Pretty Safe..as A Matter Of Fact You Have A Better Chance Of Getting Struck By Lightning Before You Get Gyno :)
 
njeq said:
Hgh Causes Gyno About As Often As Aas Causes Suicide, I'd Say Yer Pretty Safe..as A Matter Of Fact You Have A Better Chance Of Getting Struck By Lightning Before You Get Gyno :)
How much hGH have you done in your life?
 
Quadsweep said:
My guess is its the HCG. it raises estrogen and test levels. Stop the HCG and see what happens...


agree (not discounting that HGH may be a factor or unfortunately the cause--- however HCG is a much more likely culprit).

hcg is a promiscuous ligand so its effects are not just limited to LH stimulation, its thryotropic effects are ALSO highly linked to its involvement in gynecomastia.
 
Quadsweep said:
My guess is its the HCG. it raises estrogen and test levels. Stop the HCG and see what happens...why are you doing HCg weekly anyway?

Q.

I am injecting 250IU's of HCG twice a week as part of my TRT program. Following the protocols from Dr. John Crisler from allthingsmale.com. He's one of the best in the nation. Right now I am trying to get my doctor to work with him on treating me because there's a lot that he's not doing such as certain bloodwork and all.
 
BBkingpin said:
How much hGH have you done in your life?

I just started on the HGH for only 3 months. Started at 1IU and went up to 3.5. Was about to up it to 4 till I had to get treated for my gyno. At least now my gyno is gone and I am weening off the Letrozole.
I plan on starting back up with the HGH as soon as I get back from my trip from vegas. The Letro really dried out my joints and Im hoping the HGH can heal my tendonitis faster in my elbow.
 
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