I think open relationships will become the standard.

[jerkbox]

i just think your full of shit in what you post.

on one hand your bragging about how you cheat without her finding out (in patsfans thread at the store), and now your saying its an open relationship and you both know about it and its cool.

it seems like your just full of shit saying what you want to justify your actions while still looking like a "tough guy" in front of the EF crowd.

then i called you out on it, and you redded me. thats pretty ghey

dude, no one on elite is full of shit....NO ONE.

 

[yonkers weights]

I am off. No need to defend anymore. Been doing it all day! LATERS!

 

[H_T_]

i just think your full of shit in what you post.

on one hand your bragging about how you cheat without her finding out (in patsfans thread at the store), and now your saying its an open relationship and you both know about it and its cool.

it seems like your just full of shit saying what you want to justify your actions while still looking like a "tough guy" in front of the EF crowd.

then i called you out on it, and you redded me. thats pretty ghey

let's play red the alter!

 

[puddlemonkey]

The sense of content you get when you are in a good healthy relationship where you both trust each other is one of the best feelings in the world.

I would not trade it for anything.

Absolutely! Unfortunately I think its too late for me to have this ever again

 

[Bikini Mod]

I am with you 100% on that. No matter what someone does to me or whether someone turns out to be an ass, I will always give each person a clean slate. Someone who hurts me isn't worth being a thorn in my side once they are out of my life. What's done is done and eventually I'll give my full trust to someone who deserves it. I'd rather get burned by giving everything to someone bad than lose someone great for not giving enough.

That is how me and my Old Grump feel. He and I have both been burned VERY BADLY and I am not just talking money... You can always make more money and if someone betrayed your trust - fuck em.

He gave his love and trust to me FIRST so that spoke volumes to me.

We trust each other implicitely and can't see ourselves ever being with anyone else.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Absolutely! Unfortunately I think its too late for me to have this ever again

I'll be 40 soon and my husband just turned 56.

Somehow I dont think you are older than us....

 

[FriendlyCanadian]

let's play red the alter!

Oo ooo I wanna play too.

 

[nefertiti]

That is how me and my Old Grump feel. He and I have both been burned VERY BADLY and I am not just talking money... You can always make more money and if someone betrayed your trust - fuck em.

He gave his love and trust to me FIRST so that spoke volumes to me.

We trust each other implicitely and can't see ourselves ever being with anyone else.

BTW...random...but I told someone I know about the two of you yesterday. How you met, his financial circumstances when you got married, the low key wedding, the crap you take being called a gold digger.

Naturally, I told him that I know you from the gym, not the internet, though lol

 

[Bikini Mod]

BTW...random...but I told someone I know about the two of you yesterday. How you met, his financial circumstances when you got married, the low key wedding, the crap you take being called a gold digger.

Naturally, I told him that I know you from the gym, not the internet, though lol

*blush*

You are sweet.... Did you see the clip of us on the Dr Keith Ablow show? I posted it on another thread a little while ago.

 

[cindylou]

Absolutely! Unfortunately I think its too late for me to have this ever again

why is that?

 

[nefertiti]

*blush*

You are sweet.... Did you see the clip of us on the Dr Keith Ablow show? I posted it on another thread a little while ago.

Yes, I did!

 

[puddlemonkey]

I'll be 40 soon and my husband just turned 56.

Somehow I dont think you are older than us....

Its not my age (31), its what I've seen. I've dated some 30-35 women (I know, borderline whore), and I'd estimate a good 25-27 of them had significant others. Boyfriends, fiancee, husbands, etc. some you'd think were the sweetest girls you've ever met. At this point I'm not sure if its women in general, or me being drawn to women I don't have to trust. Either way I think I'm screwed for a meaningful relationship.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Its not my age (31), its what I've seen. I've dated some 30-35 women (I know, borderline whore), and I'd estimate a good 25-27 of them had significant others. Boyfriends, fiancee, husbands, etc. some you'd think were the sweetest girls you've ever met. At this point I'm not sure if its women in general, or me being drawn to women I don't have to trust. Either way I think I'm screwed for a meaningful relationship.

Fix what is in you that draws these women to you... PROBLEM SOLVED!

 

[heatherrae]

Statistically speaking, far more men cheat than women.

If all relationships were open, imagine the bitching and whining that would occur every time a woman got pregnant.

There are probably 1 or 2 decent men in 1000 these days.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Statistically speaking, far more men cheat than women.

If all relationships were open, imagine the bitching and whining that would occur every time a woman got pregnant.

There are probably 1 or 2 decent men in 1000 these days.

Make that 1 or 2 in a million....

I just think that it is COMICAL to hear men bitching about the fact that because of the pill and other contraceptive devices being made readily available to women THEY DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT NOW MORE WOMEN CHEAT.

GET OVER IT YOU SORRY MOTHERFUCKERS.... WOMEN HAVE HAD TO PUT UP WITH THAT SHIT FOR EONS.

HOW DO YOU LIKE US NOW?

 

[puddlemonkey]

There are probably 1 or 2 decent men in 1000 these days.

KB wants to know where those stats come from. We've gone through this before

 

[Bikini Mod]

KB wants to know where those stats come from. We've gone through this before

Fact is ALL MEN LIE... in order to pursue the object of their desires... How each male acts after he "gets her".... that is individual.

Fact is that MOST MEN have been cheating since forever.... I find it comical how now all of the sudden most men are offended by the fact that more and more women are cheating.

Sorry, but no male will get my sympathy.

Lots of good men out there. Not all men are dogs. <----- I knew this even though I was raised to believe that ALL MEN CHEAT.

How you figure that?

And I found myself A GOOD MAN....

 

[puddlemonkey]

Fact is ALL MEN LIE... in order to pursue the object of their desires... How each male acts after he "gets her".... that is individual.

Fact is that MOST MEN have been cheating since forever.... I find it comical how now all of the sudden most men are offended by the fact that more and more women are cheating.

Sorry, but no male will get my sympathy.

Lots of good men out there. Not all men are dogs. <----- I knew this even though I was raised to believe that ALL MEN CHEAT.

How you figure that?

And I found myself A GOOD MAN....

You just might be more messed up than me, lol.

 

[digimon7068]

Sucks...but not everyone is a cheater.

agreed. . .the wife and i are working on 18 years together (married 15 years next month). . .i've had opportunities over the years. . .and i'm sure she has too. . .i am ridiculously happy. . .i have no interest in anyone else. . .

 

[Bikini Mod]

You just might be more messed up than me, lol.

Hehehehehe Nope just callin it the way I seez it.

Once you fix what is "off" inside of you, you will be AMAZED at the peeps that will gravitate towards you that you also find of interest.

 

[heatherrae]

agreed. . .the wife and i are working on 18 years together (married 15 years next month). . .i've had opportunities over the years. . .and i'm sure she has too. . .i am ridiculously happy. . .i have no interest in anyone else. . .

Yeah, you are probably 1 out of 2 or 3 of the truly decent men I know of. Seriously. That is sad.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Yeah, you are probably 1 out of 2 or 3 of the truly decent men I know of. Seriously. That is sad.

 

[heatherrae]

Make that 1 or 2 in a million....

I just think that it is COMICAL to hear men bitching about the fact that because of the pill and other contraceptive devices being made readily available to women THEY DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT NOW MORE WOMEN CHEAT.

GET OVER IT YOU SORRY MOTHERFUCKERS.... WOMEN HAVE HAD TO PUT UP WITH THAT SHIT FOR EONS.

HOW DO YOU LIKE US NOW?

The thing that toasts my cookies is that I didn't cheat and I got called names in public, accused of cheating, and eventually physically attacked. Then, come to find out, he was giving a mistress $500/week in spending money. How much has he paid to buy the baby stuff now? $0. Most men have no heart.

 

[heatherrae]

LOL...maybe you are too. I just don't know anything about you in that regard. lol.

 

[Bikini Mod]

The thing that toasts my cookies is that I didn't cheat and I got called names in public, accused of cheating, and eventually physically attacked. Then, come to find out, he was giving a mistress $500/week in spending money. How much has he paid to buy the baby stuff now? $0. Most men have no heart.

Fuck 500$ p/week? That was some cheap ass....

I know exactly how you feel, but you know how lucky you are to be rid of him.

I can't get rid of mine no matter WHAT I DO!

 

[heatherrae]

This is the truth. If someone told me "Heather, you can have this check for $5 Mil or a man and father just like Digimon (loyal, happy, good dad, good husband)" I would choose a good man. They are harder to come by than all the riches in the world.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Yeah, you are probably 1 out of 2 or 3 of the truly decent men I know of. Seriously. That is sad.

The lawngnome is a VERY honorable man, so much so that sometimes I wish he was a little more of a prick (not to me, mind you.... but to some peeps that have fucked us).

 

[puddlemonkey]

Oh I'm dirty, you said "that is sad" so I was giving you a sad face. I've never cheated on a girlfriend though, at least not one that wasn't already in a relationship when she started seeing me.

 

[Bikini Mod]

This is the truth. If someone told me "Heather, you can have this check for $5 Mil or a man and father just like Digimon (loyal, happy, good dad, good husband)" I would choose a good man. They are harder to come by than all the riches in the world.

No words truer spoken and that is why there aint NO WAY I am going to let that lawngnome slip through my fingers!!!

 

[heatherrae]

Fuck 500$ p/week? That was some cheap ass....

I know exactly how you feel, but you know how lucky you are to be rid of him.

I can't get rid of mine no matter WHAT I DO!

well, that is the bright side of things...lol. Yeah, your lawn gnome is a good one. I gotta get me a gnome. lol.

 

[heatherrae]

Fuck 500$ p/week? That was some cheap ass....

I know exactly how you feel, but you know how lucky you are to be rid of him.

I can't get rid of mine no matter WHAT I DO!

Yeah, well, besides me, which is the best he will ever get in life, that is probably all he can land is cheap ass. LOL.

 

[digimon7068]

This is the truth. If someone told me "Heather, you can have this check for $5 Mil or a man and father just like Digimon (loyal, happy, good dad, good husband)" I would choose a good man. They are harder to come by than all the riches in the world.

you're too kind. . .i have my faults. . .but i am definitely loyal and happy. . .i work hard on the good dad and good husband thing everyday. . .

my wife and i are going out of town for a night on saturday (my folks are staying overnight with the kids). . .we don't get to do that very often. . .i have goosebumps. . .i'm glad that never went away

 

[heatherrae]

you're too kind. . .i have my faults. . .but i am definitely loyal and happy. . .i work hard on the good dad and good husband thing everyday. . .

my wife and i are going out of town for a night on saturday (my folks are staying overnight with the kids). . .we don't get to do that very often. . .i have goosebumps. . .i'm glad that never went away

Hey, whatever faults you have can't seem too very important when you are such a good dad and husband. I could overlook the little things for a good man. I admire that about you.

 

[Bikini Mod]

well, that is the bright side of things...lol. Yeah, your lawn gnome is a good one. I gotta get me a gnome. lol.

Darlin... it isn't all that hard.

A quality woman such as yourself should have no issue, once you are ready - you will be just fine!

 

[Smurfy]

Your right I have been cheated on in the past.
I guess you and the fucking ass holes I have dated in the past share the same DNA!

It's dick bags like yourself that make hard for women like me to trust men. You say your so in love with your women and talk about how your going home on your lunch break to bang the hell out of her! Mean while you on this board trying to throw your WACK ASS game my way in you lame PM'S! Go fuck yourself Douche Bag!

I am sure you will have some silly little insults directed towards me after reading this. And that's cool! just remember while wasting even more of your time on me you should be working on your pick up skills cause you really fucking suck at it!

Angel is that you?

 

[heatherrae]

It is not cheating if it is an open relationship for both. It is understood and no one else needs to understand but the 2 people. It is the norm in large cities like NY, South Beach, LA, Vegas, Atlanta, etc... Big cities with sexy people with money run this lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks. I have said this many times on here. Each is own. No judgements!

Ummmm...I have lived in south beach and all the sexy people aren't in open relationships. Nice trying to insult the monogamous people by saying we are just not as cool or as sexy as you swingers.

If swingers are the cool and sexy people, why is it that any swingers group is a bunch of ugly old people no one would want to sleep with anyway?

 

[ponyfitness]

Unfortunately I don't honestly think I know ANYONE who has not cheated on someone or been cheated on while in at least one long term relationship in their lives. Even one of my good friends claims she never cheated on her husband...oh, wait...she made out with me in a drunken state one night when they were engaged but that was okay somehow .

I've cheated on quite a few of my girlfriends. I have also been cheated on by pretty much the same amount. I have many married friends who really want to cheat because their wives make them miserable or they have kids, but they don't. Yay. Then they are walking around resenting their lives and are such a joy to be around.

Just got a phone call today from a friend who's wife is a total nag and he's just gotten back in touch with his high school sweetheart. He admitted that he's considering going to see her without his wife knowing and has had two hour email conversations with this other woman (who is also married). Is this cheating? Yup.

I just don't understand monogamy anymore. From a health standpoint it makes sense but from a happiness standpoint it is really rare. That's why I'm going to just date for a long long time.

 

[bigbox]

If your own wife or husband can't trust you, then who the hell can?? I've been cheated on once, and it felt like i was at the ass end of a joke that everyone knew except for me. I couldn't imagine making any girl feel like that. Open relationship is one thing, personally not for me, but it's more like an agreement than a relationship. How could you totally betray someone who cares about you more than life itself though and laugh about it?? That is just being a lower form of life, male or female!!

 

[cboogsrun]

but the numbers are staggering and its getting worse and worse every year.women are being pigs and then they have the nerve to ask were are all the good guys,"where are we fuck we lost all hope and joined the dark side".

LOL! There are still way more womanizing men per ratio to woman treating a man like a slab of beef. The difference is if a woman wants to get laid, it can be done with out feeding someone full of bullshit. I know a lot of dudes who lie their asses off to get laid.

 

[samoth]

Man, trust and honor really don't mean much in today's society, do they...

What's that one saying, be true to thine own self and nary will you be false to others or something like that?

 

[puddlemonkey]

Is that Manowar dribble?

 

[samoth]

Is that Manowar dribble?

I actually think it's not Manowar... maybe Nietzsche (Java, confirm?) or Crowley or something.

I think Joey is pretty clear on his views on sex and relationships, lol.

 

[Stefka]

Is that Manowar dribble?

Men in rabbit fur loincloths are never faithful.

 

[samoth]

Men in rabbit fur loincloths are never faithful.

Okay, Joey's a bad example... we all know he's a slut... lol.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Okay, Joey's a bad example... we all know he's a slut... lol.

 

[Stefka]

I will admit that I have not read this whole thread.
But here is my opinion:

Cheating is bad - there is no excuse.
But it happens because we are human.
Open relationships are fine in theory but they usually don't work.
Someone always gets too attached.

I think that our society might be moving towards a serial monogomy type of system. Like - marriage, kids, divorce, marriage...(maybe a few more divorces and marriages).
We like stability but we weren't made to be with the same person for 70 years. But the people who do that are awesome. we should all be so lucky.

 

[javaguru]

I will admit that I have not read this whole thread.
But here is my opinion:

Cheating is bad - there is no excuse.
But it happens because we are human.
Open relationships are fine in theory but they usually don't work.
Someone always gets too attached.

I think that our society might be moving towards a serial monogomy type of system. Like - marriage, kids, divorce, marriage...(maybe a few more divorces and marriages).
We like stability but we weren't made to be with the same person for 70 years. But the people who do that are awesome. we should all be so lucky.

I see your point but some of us were raised with VERY old school standards. I'm the son of a man who enlisted after Pearl Harbor. He served on Tarawa and Iwo Jima. My values are different and I accept the "right" thing to do isn't the convenient one. I have character and when I die I know that was the one thing nobody could take from me.

 

[CrazyRussian]

I havent read the thread, but I doubt it will become the standard. Society governs our behavior to a large extent, but love, guilt, and jealousy will always be human traits we have to deal with. Because of that, open relationships will never become the norm.

 

[seaking420]

Also think about all the people that cheat and dont say anything to anyone. Basically what Im saying is that there are plenty of people cheating that no one knows about on top of the one's that people know about. Alot of people cheat, even people on here who say they dont cheat probably have cheated, they dont want to admit it and dont want anything negative associated with their name or their SO is on here and they dont want them to know.
There are some that dont cheat, Im sure, but I think there are more that do than dont.

We like stability but we weren't made to be with the same person for 70 years.

I totaly agree.

 

[javaguru]

Also think about all the people that cheat and dont say anything to anyone. Basically what Im saying is that there are plenty of people cheating that no one knows about on top of the one's that people know about. Alot of people cheat, even people on here who say they dont cheat probably have cheated, they dont want to admit it and dont want anything negative associated with their name or their SO is on here and they dont want them to know.
There are some that dont cheat, Im sure, but I think there are more that do than dont.



I totaly agree.

The ones who keep their mouth shut are good at it.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Unfortunately I don't honestly think I know ANYONE who has not cheated on someone or been cheated on while in at least one long term relationship in their lives. Even one of my good friends claims she never cheated on her husband...oh, wait...she made out with me in a drunken state one night when they were engaged but that was okay somehow .

I've cheated on quite a few of my girlfriends. I have also been cheated on by pretty much the same amount. I have many married friends who really want to cheat because their wives make them miserable or they have kids, but they don't. Yay. Then they are walking around resenting their lives and are such a joy to be around.

Just got a phone call today from a friend who's wife is a total nag and he's just gotten back in touch with his high school sweetheart. He admitted that he's considering going to see her without his wife knowing and has had two hour email conversations with this other woman (who is also married). Is this cheating? Yup.

I just don't understand monogamy anymore. From a health standpoint it makes sense but from a happiness standpoint it is really rare. That's why I'm going to just date for a long long time.

Considering straying and actually doing it are two completely different things. We ALL have thoughts that we do not act on.

Conscious thought and free will are supposed to separate us from animals.

If I found out that my husband THOUGHT about cheating I would be hurt initially. Then I would sit myself down and say, "Self, what is missing from your relationship that your spouse entertained the notion of straying?" And once I was calm, I would have that same conversation with my husband.... and go from there.

 

[javaguru]

Considering straying and actually doing it are two completely different things. We ALL have thoughts that we do not act on.

Conscious thought and free will are supposed to separate us from animals.

If I found out that my husband THOUGHT about cheating I would be hurt initially. Then I would sit myself down and say, "Self, what is missing from your relationship that your spouse entertained the notion of straying?" And once I was calm, I would have that same conversation with my husband.... and go from there.

So that means you do anal.

 

[biteme]

I understand your frustration with women because the vast majority of american women do suck, but an open relationship is not for me.

 

[seaking420]

So that means you do anal.

and rimming

 

[Bikini Mod]

So that means you do anal.

My lips are sealed.