I ran a high dosage last cycle does my next one need to be as big to get gains?

[smacky1987]

Hi, my last cycle was 1200mg sustanon(weeks 1-14), 1050mg cypionate(weeks 1-14), 1050mg deca(weeks 1-13) and 70mg dbol ed(weeks 1-9). I haven't as much money this time round and dont fancy 3ml eod because i hate the 5ml syringes. I was thinking of test e 1050mg(weeks 1-18), deca 600mg(weeks 1-16) , equipoise 900mg(weeks 1-16) and dbol 60mg ed(weeks 1-7). I was just wondering if i'd make goods gains or do i need to have another big course because of my last one. Someone once told me if you take loads of gear then do a smaller course it'll do nothin for you. Is this true? Any help would be appreciated, thanks

 

[badhabit08]

how much did u gain off that last cycle?

 

[zwhit]

Unless you're a complete monster, you probably could've gained on less than half those doses. What's your stats bro?

 

[zwhit]

What you talkin bout bloke? My next cycle is 2 grams of tren...SOLO! (Guess I should clarify that this is a joke Lololol) I hope this guy was joking also

 

[25homes]

This can't be real

 

[smacky1987]

I gained 45lbs on last cycle and kept 35lbs. I forgot to mention i doubled my sustanon dosage from week 11 to 14. I was also on 5iu of hgh ed from 6 weeks before the cycle and stayed on the whole way through and still on it. i was also taking 20mg nolva whole way through cycle. It was a perfect cycle even considering the high doses. I had no side effects whatsoever, held very little water and had no spots or anything. Although when i was double dosing my sust i did hold some water but it disappeared quite quickly. And zwhit no i am not joking at all, the cycle is over and done now so no point laughing about it, gained and kept 35lbs from it so i'm very happy i done it. Now back to the point, because i done such a biggy last time will i still gain from test e 1050mg/wk deca 600mg/wk and eq 600mg/wk(will hopefully be 900mg but might only be able to get eq 200mg/ml). Is it the more you take the more you gain? Thanks for any help

 

[smacky1987]

Thanks for replying bloke, look i know i went a bit crazy but would i still gain on 1000mgs a week? Thats all i'm looking to know, dont fancy doin another big one because funds are tight and want to try keep cost down abit. An answer to my question would be very helpful

 

[Kaasblokje]

This can't be real

Yep this can be real i see i alot now à days
People think how more they use THE faster big they get

Woww That amount of deca is realy huge hope everything still works properly

And à answer to you question nobody can say for sure what works for you depends on everything
In my opinion if you want to grow like in à bulk get à good dieet im not a fanboy with such amount of aas

Pro bodybuilders i know dont even go as far with deca as you do

 

[smacky1987]

Only seeing the bottom of your last message now. I never said i wanted to increase my doses, if you look at my first post again you'll see i'm asking can i take alot less and still gain

 

[smacky1987]

I know all this now since i've started reading about it. Look its as simple as this, i started aas without doin my homework. I was goin on the advise of my buddy and just to give you's an idea of just how crazy the person i got advise from is i'll tell you what he's on. He takes 200mg oxymetholone ed, 150mg dbol ed 100mg winstrol ed, 300mg sus eod, 200mg tren e eod, deca 300mg eod and test e 300mg eod and thats all i know off he's prob on more. Look i know i went wrong first cycle thats why i'm on here asking you guys for help, i hold my hands up i was naive and foolish so can you please help me. Its not like i'm saying i plan on doing the same again

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hi, my last cycle was 1200mg sustanon(weeks 1-14), 1050mg cypionate(weeks 1-14), 1050mg deca(weeks 1-13) and 70mg dbol ed(weeks 1-9). I haven't as much money this time round and dont fancy 3ml eod because i hate the 5ml syringes. I was thinking of test e 1050mg(weeks 1-18), deca 600mg(weeks 1-16) , equipoise 900mg(weeks 1-16) and dbol 60mg ed(weeks 1-7). I was just wondering if i'd make goods gains or do i need to have another big course because of my last one. Someone once told me if you take loads of gear then do a smaller course it'll do nothin for you. Is this true? Any help would be appreciated, thanks

That's more gear than a Mr. Olympia contestant takes. Do you have any idea what you're doing?

What you took in one week is more than twice as much as I took the entire 6 week cycle prior to my NPC show. (pic left). Seriously.

I guarantee, if you knew how to train and eat and supplement , you'd make better, more keepable gains on an 1/8 of those dosages.

 

[Arabian]

Hi, my last cycle was 1200mg sustanon(weeks 1-14), 1050mg cypionate(weeks 1-14), 1050mg deca(weeks 1-13) and 70mg dbol ed(weeks 1-9). I haven't as much money this time round and dont fancy 3ml eod because i hate the 5ml syringes. I was thinking of test e 1050mg(weeks 1-18), deca 600mg(weeks 1-16) , equipoise 900mg(weeks 1-16) and dbol 60mg ed(weeks 1-7). I was just wondering if i'd make goods gains or do i need to have another big course because of my last one. Someone once told me if you take loads of gear then do a smaller course it'll do nothin for you. Is this true? Any help would be appreciated, thanks

You my friend are what gives legitimate body builders and steroids a bad name by not doing research and being ignorant of your cycle! I wish you would take your bs post and yourself to another board on the Internet!

 

[smacky1987]

thanks bloke, I'm 6"1 185lbs not sure on bodyfat got checked about 8years ago and was 13 i think, i'm def not more now.
Bench press 100kg 4 reps on my own
Deadlift 140kg
Shoulder press dbells 30kg each hand barbell 70kg
Incline bench dbells 40kg each hand

 

[Arabian]

That's more gear than a Mr. Olympia contestant takes. Do you have any idea what you're doing?

What you took in one week is twice as much as I took the entire 6 week cycle prior to my NPC show. (pic left). Seriously.

I guarantee, if you knew how to train and eat and supplement , you'd make better, more keepable gains on an 1/8 of those dosages.

Btw: Smacky, Nelson was a professional body builder that won not one but several big professional events and trust me my friend , he is the most knowledgable person on this board!

 

[Nelson Montana]

................ i honeslty have no idea wat to say to that

UMMMMMMMMMM...............


okay GOT IT

IF you care about ur friend u shoudl do wateva u can to stop home form taking that, ur friend is literly killing himself, an no im not being over dramtic or tryign to scare you, im being serious, ur friend is LITERALY killing himself and destroying his organs, IF YOU CARE about him u will stop him alwise ur gonna have a very short friend ship wen he diagnosed with kideny disease, liver failure, heart and cardiac problems etc

BUT APART from that

ur cycle

600mgs of testosterone weekly 14 weeks
400mgs of deca weekly 12 weeks

thats all you need

if you nto gaining weight or getting stronger EAT MORE and you will

if you choose to do ANYTHING at even close to a 1/3 of the doses of wat ur friend is doing u might aswell save up and go buy buy funeral and life insurance

A gram a week for 12 weeks is still a LOT.

 

[Nelson Montana]

thanks bloke, I'm 6"1 185lbs not sure on bodyfat got checked about 8years ago and was 13 i think, i'm def not more now.
Bench press 100kg 4 reps on my own
Deadlift 140kg
Shoulder press dbells 30kg each hand barbell 70kg
Incline bench dbells 40kg each hand

185?!!!


So you started out weighing 140?

And you were doing over 3 grams a week. That's hilarious.

 

[Arabian]

185?!!!


So you started out weighing 140?

And you were doing over 3 grams a week. That's hilarious.

Exactly Nelson!

 

[smacky1987]

Bloke i know now what he's doing to himself thats why i'm after advise here and not from him. Loads of people tellin him to stop but he wont listen to anyone, he's determined to be 250lbs.
So nelson you reckon i could get good gains from sust 900mg week, eq 600mg week and deca 450mg week. I want to get at least 15lbs kept from cycle. Thanks for all help so far guys

 

[smacky1987]

Look guys can i just say again i know what i done was nuts but i was just doing what i was told to do by a man who competes as a bodybuilder. How was i wrong to take advise from a pro? I know he's not a very smart one but i didn't know that at the time. I came here looking for help and i'm getting more abuse than anything. And nelson btw i was 150lbs when i started

 

[JBEXT81]

145 or 150 thats not the point man. Those dosages are in sane. i gained 20 lbs off of sust @ 500/wk for 10 weeks and kept about 15 lbs of it. at 6'1" 185 you could easily gain 20 lbs if not more doing my old routine and eating around 4,000 calories a day (which isnt very hard). your way way way way off base man. Take a few steps back and read up on diet and training!!!!

 

[smacky1987]

Thanks for a decent reply, so you reckon i'd gain good from sust 900mg week eq 600mg week and deca 450mg a week(could i even drop the deca? just adding it for the joints)
I was eating 3500 cal a day but wasnt totally clean, eating less now but its very clean. When you were eating 4000 was it all clean?

 

[JBEXT81]

SMACKY -- im saying you should STOP ALL STEROID USEAGE RIGHT NOW!! theres no need to do any steroids at your height and weight - also how old r u??? Everything you gained on this last cycle you could of done naturally w/o steroids. The whole point of doing steroids is to keep you going after you reach your genetic potential. Not all of us wait that long but then again NONE OF US TAKE THAT MUCH STEROIDS - its just plain dumb!

 

[smacky1987]

I want to do one more cycle just to help get some more size on. Look i'm def doing another cycle, could you help me with the dosage? I want to do test eq and maybe deca, i'm here for advise so give me some and i'll listen to it. What dosages do you think i should run? What are you running yourself?

 

[JBEXT81]

How old r u????? I dont think you should run anything right now

 

[smacky1987]

I'm 23, i know what your saying and i appreciate it but i'm probably still going to do it no matter what. Dont you think you'd be better advising me of a dosage so i dont over do it again?

 

[JBEXT81]

Nope sorry - find someone else - good luck

 

[smacky1987]

Ok, I'll listen to you man. What do you suggest i do to gain well naturally? I would honestly like to avoid aas but cant seem to put size on very well, if you could help that would be excellent

 

[zwhit]

Bro it seems like you want the steroids to do the majority of the work for you. People here are trying to tell you to get everything else in line first. So get your training and diet as close to perfect as you can before you jump back on another cycle. By doing that you'll have no problem getting to 200 lbs naturally.

Then you can hop on another cycle....but a much safer one.

Read up on diet and training. And just have some patience bro.

 

[JBEXT81]

my workout consisted of exactly this... [all varied from 5x10 to 3x10] depending on how i felt

Monday = Chest: incline dumbbells, hammer machine declines, smith machine bench (shoulder issue so i use this instead of reg bench), pec dec and cross cables or dips
Tuesday = Back: Pull ups, lat pull downs, cable row, bent over row, t-bar row and dead lifts every other week.
Wednesday = Legs: leg extensions, hack squat, regular squat, seated calfs, leg press, lying/standing leg curl (hamstrings) standing calves and Straight leg deadlift every other week (weeks were i did not do deadlifts)
Thursday= Shoulders: Military db press, side laterals, front laterals, back delts w/ pec dec or db's, shrugs (db, smith machine, barbell) upright rows
Friday = Arms: Tricep pushdowns, skull crushers, close grip bench, weighted dips, cambered bar curls, seated alternating curls, preacher curls, forearms

Diet was exactly this... [i was in college and worked at chilis]
bowl of rasin bran
gym
quizno's - large turkey with damn near everything and a cup or bowl of broccli cheese soup (depending on hw hungry i was
sleep
lunch: good meal usually checiken breasts, veggies and potatoes
snack: i make my own shake: 12 oz milk, 2 scoops whey, banana, egg whites, 2 scoops peanut butter
dinner: what ever i wanted - i worked at chilis remember
i might eat dessert or snack b4 bed or go out drinking for a few hours

this is not the best diet and workout but it has worked for me. biggest key was rest and i ate big time!!!

some on here may not agree with what i typed but IT WORKED FOR ME on the weekends i ate whatever and would sometimes do legs on saturdays if i was up for it

 

[Kaasblokje]

Hè already made up his Mind he 's gonna cycle

Only thing is to advice him i personly think its overkill and looking at your name i guess youre 23 maybe 24

You can alway 's use more

I think its à now à day 's thing higher doses shorter amount of time

My advice is to lower te amount its pure overkill
No need for so much

Grt

 

[smacky1987]

I know this thread hasn't been used in a few days but i'm just wondering if i was actually wasting gear last time round by taking so much or if more gear means more gains? Oh and for the record decided to take your advice and not bother going back on, gona try gain naturally and maybe start a cycle early next year

 

[Deltoid_87]

500 test
500 deca

12 weeks. When ur ready. Learn how to grow first, If u can't gain naturally, u won't gain on gear its as simple as that. Steroids are no miracle its been said a million times..
Ur not just risking ur health, ur wasting ur time.. can u understand why this pisses us off??

 

[smacky1987]

So what you are saying is taking a gram of test and a gram of deca will give the same results as 500mg of each?

 

[stevesmi]

you only bench 220 4X and you are 6 1 and 185 pounds. that is woefully weak for your size. i'm NOT flaming you, but I am being real with you!! if you did a competition for strength you would realize this when you watch other guys who are 185.

and you were 150 pounds before running steroids which tells me you are a skinny dude. you didn't have much muscle or fat on you. so you have a decent base to work with to train naturally and EAT and not worry about gaining a couple % of fat in the process.

this also tells me you are way below your genetic potential, even today after your cycle.

the problems are obvious: your diet is not a bodybuilders diet, not even close.. more like a college kid working at chili's diet. you're a noob at training.. i can guarantee you that. the way i know is cause a guy at your height and weight should be clearing 300 after a cycle like you ran. and someone who is experienced should be clearing 350 or more.

i would stash the gear away. and learn how to eat and workout first. get your weight up over 200 pounds and your bench closer to 300. then come back.

PS. i doubt with that cycle you ran and being so woefully below your genetic potential you will keep much of anything over the next few months, and i am gonna guess your PCT was poor as well. remember that if you cannot get to 185 without all that gear you ran then unless you plan on staying on that gear forever you are screwed UNLESS you learn how to train and eat.

 

[smacky1987]

Steve i never posted a diet, my diet is actually rather good. Very clean and at least 3000cal a day. The diet that was posted was from another guy. Truth is i've been training on and off for years but was goin to gym alone and never had anyone show me how to train. I was doin the same thing everyday and always worked muscles to failure and lost a ton of weight. I've only been training properly since last september

 

[halfsjj]

Hi, my last cycle was 1200mg sustanon(weeks 1-14), 1050mg cypionate(weeks 1-14), 1050mg deca(weeks 1-13) and 70mg dbol ed(weeks 1-9). I haven't as much money this time round and dont fancy 3ml eod because i hate the 5ml syringes. I was thinking of test e 1050mg(weeks 1-18), deca 600mg(weeks 1-16) , equipoise 900mg(weeks 1-16) and dbol 60mg ed(weeks 1-7). I was just wondering if i'd make goods gains or do i need to have another big course because of my last one. Someone once told me if you take loads of gear then do a smaller course it'll do nothin for you. Is this true? Any help would be appreciated, thanks

Why so much??? Most studies have shown that between 300-600 mgs will do everything you need and more is not necessarily better.

 

[RADAR]

I want to add my 2 cents also...............so you gained 45 pounds and kept 35? I can tell you this ,wait a few months and that 35 pounds will be gone also. Why? because there is no way you can keep up the training intensity like you did on that much gear,so Running that amount was a moot point to begin with.

I suggest you pm me ,lets get your diet fine tuned and start from scratch!