i personally think we should all stop recommending...

[orca]

I totally agree, I think that I screwed my hormone levels up seriously after taking to much T-400 on my second cycle, prob is that its hard to know if it was the test or the deca, but I was definatly taking to much test.


ORCA

 

[musclebones]

testosterone at 500mg a week for first and second cyclers..

i didn't get that great of results at 500mg.. not at all.. but as soon as i up it to 750mg a week.. i could tell i grew every morning that i woke up..

anyone else agree or disagree?

anyone else see as big of a difference as i did between 500mg and 750mg?

anyone else think that 500mg was pretty much a waste of money and that they could have spent just a little more dough and had kick ass results?

I *100%* DISAGREE .. I think its this type of mentality on the board that is causing all these first timers to do these insane cycles that only experienced juicers should do. I have MANY friends who did 250mg/wk of sust there first cycle and easily put on 15 lbs. I myself put on 20lbs.. kept 15.

I have said to myself over and over and over.. when looking at what these guys on this board have to say keep in mind the majority of them are .. well "juice heads" .. forgive me for sounding like a asshole but its the truth. Don't get me wrong.. I like all of you and think your cool.. and really respect your own personal opinion to do what yyou want in a cycle.. I Just think you rub off a LIL bit too much cycle info on first timers ALL the time ...

my two cents ..

PEACE

mb

 

[decem]

hahahaha.. i fooled ALL of you..

ya see.. i think exactly the way musclebones thinks.. and i've been seeing all these insane dosages and what not..

so i figured.. what the hell.. why not create a thread where i can get people all riled up so that these newbies can see that they really don't need to take these insane dosages.. and so the point will come across much better...

ya see... and you guys thought i was just a big dumby..

ha ha.. think again..

disclaimer: btw... really.. i still believe in what i originally posted.. but just figured i'd hop on the bandwagon.. and change my story so i don't look like a big asshole that doesn't know what's he's doing when he cycles..

 

[pumpin-N-humpin]

I agree, I trust everything that people like mustang and ultragainz say on this board, but they can scare the crap out of someone....Not me but, lol
You say that you have some dbol or abombs for you first cycle and the first thing they say is stack with test or winny. I totall respect that. POWER to the more knowledgeable guys telling the ignorant like me to stack. I will listen to you religiously.
PEACE:
PUMPIN

 

[GaryWary]

a gram a day - anyone try that?

 

[ultragainz]

if someone asked can i do anadrol for my first cycle i would say no...but if they wanted to ok fine i dont care.....

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

I've got real mixed feelings on this one. When I did my first cycle I did listen to the "insane dosage gurus" and ran shitload of tren with 100mg anadrol a day and some winstrol. The sudden and extreme weight gain (I'm 5'5") from a cut 185 to a bloated 220 was a rather unpleasant experience, and I stopped the cycle after a month because I did not like the way I looked and was getting extremely out of breath and had trouble even walking 1/2 mile to class, LOL. The positive side of this is that after you subtract the water weight and fat gain, I did keep most of the muscle. Going up to 220 seems to have permanently raised my body's weight set-point, and I can easily maintain a cut 200 while natural, and can still make gains on low doses. This whole "mega mass gain 40lbs" first cycle theory is a little misleading though...I mean half that is fat and water. I also could have saved alot of money if I had realized earlier that I am one of those people who respond well to low dosages (I am now on 350mg of suspension a week and am just as big and lifting heavier than when I was on 2 grams of gear).

I guess the one usefull piece of info I can give is this: The fact that you use high doses your first cycle DOES NOT mean you will be unable to make gains with lower doses later on. I think alot of this having compulsion to increase dosages every cycle is psychological.

 

[daveyboy]

Man oh man.....you guys got me thinking now. I'm in my 2nd week of frontloading Cyp at 1000mgs per week along with 800mgs EQ. I was planning on pushing 500 mg. Cyp per week stacked w/400mgs EQ after the 2 weeks of frontloading. After reading through all of these replies I'm seriouly considering bumping the Cyp up to 750mgs per week. Yep, that's it,,,,,I think I'm a gonna do it!!

 

[gtaman]

Hmm... it kinda makes me think. I have enough test right now for 12 wks at 500 mg or 8 wks at 750. Hmm......

Somebody talk me out of this...

 

[dumblucky]

oh yeah.. and for all those saying.. "a first timer will definitely be able to grow on 500mg"... i know that.. i understand they'll grow...

all i'm saying is that i think the difference in gains between 500mg and 750mg is immense.. at 500mg i can see a change in my physique if i look in the mirror once a week.. at 750mg.. i can see a change daily.. i love that.. i love seeing that change daily.. i need it..

i like it.. i love it.. i want some more of it..

I agree totally Il never do another measly 500mg a week
it doesnt get me where i really want to be

now 750mg........rock and roll