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I need advice on this injury please!!

rvboy

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3 weeks ago I was doing headbangers on the incline bench and something mildly popped in my neck. Nothing too serious so I thought, anyway here's the shitty part. 5 days later I attempted to do chest and my right side was gone. No strength. I can't even push a 35lb. dumbbell on the flat bench. It's been three weeks and I have no improvement in strength. My right tricep is 80% non existant. I've been to chiopractor, Physio, and searched every conceivable source online to try to find some info or someone who can relate to this. My chiopractor says I have a pinched nerve in my neck. How long will this take? I feel small, flat and extremely week. All my other lifts are also sufferring.

Please Help, anyone!!

rvboy
 
It seems to be isolated to my right tricep. However, I've also lost most upper body strength. My deadlifts are also sufferring, as is any pushing related exercise. Also my middle and index finger on my right hand have been tingling for 3 weeks!

rvboy
 
My Chiro has been doing regular adjustments on my neck, but I don't seem to be progressing in the strength department at all. I keep testing the right side every few days or so, and still nothing.
It's kind of hard to discuss injuries with people/doctors who can't really relate to weight training, they just don't understand.

rvboy
 
When you say something popped in your neck, where exactly in your neck did it pop and do you feel pain in that area still?
 
The neck region had been acting up a little previous to the "pop", so the right side (rear) was already a little "stiff". However when I was lowering the weight, the left side (rear) sort of "popped" it wasn't an overwhelming pain or anything, frankly I've felt similar sensations when lifting before, and it usually clears up within a few days or so. I did have irritating neck/shoulder pain for about a week, then it subsided. I don't have any real pain to speak of right now. I can feel something not right in my neck though, like when I bounce up and down or do jumping jacks or something. The extreme weakness is what is really getting me down, and the tingleing finglers is just a subtle reminder that I am not healthy.

rvboy
 
yuor z-joint is probably out of line and the muscles in your neck could be pulled as well, need to know if you can turn your neck. IMO it is the nerve pathway that got damaged
 
Thanks for all these responses guys. I appreciate them.
Lord Suston, the mobility in my neck is good. I don't have any noticeable pain in any direction. It just seems like something isn't quite right. It feels like it needs to be cracked from time to time and when I am bouncing or jumping, I can feel it inside, almost like a tightness in the neck.

rvboy
 
Sust, If a nerve pathway is damaged, how long until it free's itself and will allow my body to work again?

rvboy
 
depends on the type of damage, sometimes permanent or sometime a good adjustemenbt will free up the pathway and recovery is almost instant. I would assume since you can move your head laterally that the C-0-1-2 and even three are fine but maybe the c-6-7 joint could be compressed and out of alignment
 
My question is; if my vertebrae are impingeing on the nerve, will my body realign itself naturally, and allow the nerve pathways to continue? Or has the impingement caused damage to the nerve which must first repair itself before the nerve pathway is clear? My chio nor my Physio can seem to answer that question for me. All I want to know is, when will I be back to normal???

rvboy
 
I would say that you are still out of alignment and need an adjustment to put you into alignbment. You might have tore part of one of the muscles in your neck and the sweeling their can compress anervous pathway. Also I figure that when you are in alignment the pathway will start to heal or be free of compression, ie you will be bacxk to normal
 
I think you are on the right track. I was hoping someone has experienced this injury and could tell me first hand how long it took to heal and/or if there was anything other than chiopractic and rest to heal it quicker. I'm not so use to giving into injuries like this, I can normally work through and modify my training to overcome any injury. However, this one has got me good.

rvboy
 
3 weeks is not that long. But if you are being treated : adjustments, traction, stretching, ultrasound, electrical muscle stim and of course REST...then it should be at least 50-75% better in 6 weeks. If not you definately need further testing - preferably MRI and EMG (electromyelogram- it tests electrical nerve conduction to determine the extent and type of injury to nerves). MRI will tell us what , if anything, you have done to the disc. A ruptured disc can cause these symptoms.

Between every 2 bones (vertebrae) in the back there are 5 joints. The posterior joints are called facets - because they are flat (like facets on a cut diamond) and the bottom of one vertebrae and the top of the other fit together to allow movement. The facets are wrapped in a saran wrap (pastic cooking wrap) kind of material called synovium. When injured te synovium can swell with synovial fluid - kind of the way your finger swells up when you jam your finger. But typically this will cause pain on extension (backwards) of the neck. The swollen synovium and related inflammatory chemicals in the area can irritate the nerve endings causing inflammation of the nerves that then course down the arm. This is called posterior facet syndrome.

There is also a sock like sheath that covers the nerves as they first exit the spine, called the dura. The dura can become irritated and inflammed and cause nerve irritation too - like a sock that is too tight on your foot. Also causing neurologic symptoms.

All of these problems can and should largely resolve within 6 weeks on the upper most. If not then you should get further testing.

If your range of motion is uninhibited and non-painful (touch your chin to your chest, ` 80 degrees left and right rotation (basically your chin almost lines up with your trap, and 45 degrees lateral flexion (try touching your ear to your shoulder without raising your shoulder, and you can go about halfway) - then I myself don't think more adjustmetns would help - unless there is focal restriction at just one motion segment in the neck. But most rotation occurs between the first and second vertebrae around what is called the odontoid. The odontoid is a toothlike/spikelike process sticking up off the 2nd vertebrae around which the first vertebrae rotates.

You might also have actually injured a spot lower down - between the shoulder blades, and be suffering from something more akin to what is know as thoracic outlet syndrome. You can injure the first few thoracic vertebrae (disc, facets,dura) and get the same symptoms. Make sure you mid back between the shoulder blades is also getting aligned.

Also if your traps are large (too large?) and pecs too tight it can cause the symptoms. Large traps can compress a bundle of nerves called the brachial plexus that exit the neck and go down the arms. Be sure to work the rhomboids enough to pull the shoulder blades back and down to release the pressure the traps can cause on the neck.

Excessively tight pecs can also pull the shoulder blades and arms forward anc compress the nerves - the brachial plexus exits the neck, kind of goes through the arm pit and down the arm. Tight pecs cause a squeezing near the armpits and compress the nerves. I like a stretch Dogcrapp recommends on animals board of lying on a bench holding 15 LB dumbells letting it stretch your arms to the floor.

Sorry if that gives you too much to think about.

If you severely, and I mean severely damaged the nerves, then they will first decay sort of, undergoing hat is called Wallerian degeneration - in which the nerve breaks down and then regrows. But that is very severe nerve damage. This might take months. The nerves and brain are made up 80% of a fatty acid (Omega 3 fatty acid) called DHA. Salmon oil is made up of EPA/DHA. I believe taking omega 3 fatty acids containing DHA will help the nerves repair faster - although no conclusive studies would prove this yet.
 
Generic MALE. . .you are the man!! You are the goto guy when it comes to injuries.

How many wrestlers have you worked with in your career?
 
2 pro wrestlers (but this was like 10 years ago), and perhaps 4 amateur wrestlers. Also a national rodeo champion, 2 guys with pole vaulting records (one in high school the other was a 65 year old guy with a senior olympic record) 1 karate world champion, and 2 pro football players (actually one was an arena ball wide receiver).
 
Generic Male; That is by far the most informative albeit educated response I have had from anyone, including 3 doctors I have been to. This was exactly what I was looking for. INFORMATION! God, thanks a lot. I think from the symptoms you were describing, my injury seems to fit into the catagory of not overly serious. I have been still attempting to lift, but extremly light with no intensity, and I have backed off from all wrestling and sparring in my MMA classes. My last question would be; when this heels, will I be more suseptable to the injury in the future? Are then any preventative exercises I can do other than neck bridges etc, to insure no further injury? Once again, I really appreciate that excellent response.

Thanks again

rvboy
 
I will send a PM about my background rvboy.

If it is a dura, or disc problem you might consider findnig a chiropractor who does 1) Cox method or 2) SOT - with my preferences in that order. Studies published in SPINE have shown that even with sequestered herniated discs, they can be repaired greater than 85% of the time without surgery using the cox method. For less severe disc injuries the results are even better. The Cox method is sort of a gentle tretching, traction specific technique and it can "readjust" the dura kind of like straightening out a sock all bunched up in your sock.

With facet problems cox may be of benefit, as well as any general anti-inflammatory. Medically they can do a facet injection with Kenelog and it will often almost eliminate the pain within 24 hours.

Will you be more prone to similar injuries? If it is a disc , yes I think so. Some facet problems can come from genetic predisposition - for example the facets in the lumbar spine are supposed to be situated at 90 degrees, but I have one facet that is at 45 degrees -called facet tropism. So the facet undergoes more wear and tear, and prone to inflammation. If you have facet tropism you may be more predisposed to the joint being inflammed in the future. If it is a dura problem then no.
 
Well today was the first day I can honestly say that some strength is starting to return. Awesome!!!!!!! Few more weeks and I will be feeling "normal" slow process though. My chio tells me the rate of heeling is about a millimitre a day.

rvboy
 
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