I just pulled about 5ml's of yellow pink fluid out of my leg....other questions....

[emptywallet]

Well, since my quad has been pretty swollen, more so than normal, I decided to stick it with a pin and see what comes out. I sucked out about 5ml's so far of yellowish, kinda pinkish fluid. I'm assuming its from an infection. I'm shot QV Enanthate for a long long time, and this is the first time I've ever had an infection (if thats what it was) My question is, I always get some minor swelling when shooting the QV, no to much but always can tell the shot was there. I've taken tons of shots before, always clean, rub down the alcohol, ect ect. I'm curious could this have been anything other than an infection? When you take a shot and it swells up slightly, is that fluid making it swell up, or is that just the tissue itself getting swollen? Did I really have an infection? Or did I just suck out bodily fluid? On another note, my leg sure does feel better.

 

[supertech69]

I get knots like that from QV also, although I have never sucked anything out to see what it looks like. Sometimes mine take as long as 7 days to start going down. So far it has not been an infection. Sorry, no real answer for ya, just my experience. I know many others that have the same problem with QV, it could just be a reaction to the gear.

 

[swoll4sho]

You probably did have a small abcess. Did the fluid smell really bad?

 

[emptywallet]

What I'm wondering though, is that everytime you get a little swollen, does that mean there is fluid? Like that yellow pink stuff? Or does that just mean the tissue itself swells, and no fluid. I guess I'm wondering if this was an infection or not. I think it was. My leg feels a thousand times better though. So it must have been something not right.

 

[emptywallet]

You probably did have a small abcess. Did the fluid smell really bad?

Nope, no smell at all. I made a particular point to get my nose really close to it and smell. Nothing I could smell at all.

 

[emptywallet]

At first I thought I might have sucked out some test that was still left in there, then I realized how stupid that sounded, being that 1ml of fluid couldnt change color and turn into 7ml's of fluid. If you get an infection, does that mean the shot is wasted? Like the gear won't be absorbed because of the infection?

 

[Superfrk]

Could also be what is called an oil abcess, Does not mean it was infected per say, but can develope into an infection. Some ways to avoid this is to rotate sites for example right quad, left quad, right glut, left glut. Also a lot of people tend to have a sigle spot that they always shoot into and the scar tissue slows the absorption of the oil and then they keep adding to it and it will also develope an oil abcess. This can also be caused from not injection deep enough in to the muscle body. Just giving you some other ideals. If the pain is diminishing then that is most likly the cause. If it startsw to swell up again or pain returns then it is definately infected and you should seek medical attention. Test cyp has a reputation for causeing oil abcesses so it is not that far fetched that the test enth may have done the same thing

 

[BigTimer]

it sounds like an abscess to me,my brother had half his ass swolen cause he injected with a dirty needle or something,what they did was they cut like an inch right below his tail bone,then all this puss came out,they pulled it all out and made him put in like a 5 foot long medicated string in his ass and he had to change it every few days,and go back and get more puss taken out,and plus he had to take antibiotics for a month.he was in major pain for almost 5 weeks couldnt even sit had to lye on his stomach,hopefully u dont got the same problem dude

 

[emptywallet]

Could also be what is called an oil abcess, Does not mean it was infected per say, but can develope into an infection. Some ways to avoid this is to rotate sites for example right quad, left quad, right glut, left glut. Also a lot of people tend to have a sigle spot that they always shoot into and the scar tissue slows the absorption of the oil and then they keep adding to it and it will also develope an oil abcess. This can also be caused from not injection deep enough in to the muscle body. Just giving you some other ideals. If the pain is diminishing then that is most likly the cause. If it startsw to swell up again or pain returns then it is definately infected and you should seek medical attention. Test cyp has a reputation for causeing oil abcesses so it is not that far fetched that the test enth may have done the same thing

soooooo, maybe I just sucked out a ton of gear? I only shoot in that spot once every week or so though. Actually its once every two weeks. Hmmmmm. That would really suck if I just sucked out a ton of gear............

 

[Zagreus]

When was your last shot to the same area you pulled the exudate from? How many cc'c did you inject into the site at you last injection? How many cc’s do you inject into that location per week? Did the area that was swollen get progressively worse over time? Was it red or warmer to the touch than other parts of your body? Did you run a temperature?

If you answered yes to most of these questions and you haven’t shot into that area of you body in over a week, there is a good chance you had/ have an absess. The fact that the exudate was pinker and yellow is a better sign than if it was yellow/ dark yellow and thick. Pink means the area with the fluid still has access to blood flow which is good. Typically, puss or yellow fluid is formed by dead white blood cells that were pumped into a region / abscess to fight infection. Thus a pocket forms and the body attempts to kill the infection. Once the infection is stopped the body will re-absorb the fluid. However, if the infection is not stopped the pocket will increase in size and limit blood supply causing the surrounding tissue to become necrotic or die. Once this cycle starts the abscess will only grow because the body can not longer supply blood to fight the infection due to the dead tissue surrounding it.

5'cc's is alot of fluid. However, I do not know how much you have been injecting and how regularly. If you have a doctor you trust, go see him / her. If the Doc thinks the area has been properly drained and has blood flow, you will get some anti-biotics to take care of the rest.

Some people on this board have drained there own abscesses. Run a search and you will see. The problem is not draining the fluid. The problem is making sure you get all of it out sterilely and have blood supply restored to the infected region. Lastly, anti-biotics will help the body fight the infection after the exudate is drained and blood supply is restored.

If you can I highly recommend you see a doctor if you answered yes to most of my questions above. Otherwise answer some of my questions in detail and I can give you some better advice.

Zag-

 

[emptywallet]

When was your last shot to the same area you pulled the exudate from?

Week ago.


How many cc'c did you inject into the site at you last injection?

1ml

How many cc’s do you inject into that location per week?

only 1ml

Did the area that was swollen get progressively worse over time?
Slightly, thats the way it always happens with me though, nothing the first day, then the next it kinda gets larger. But not this large.

Was it red or warmer to the touch than other parts of your body?

No redness, and it wasnt warm


Did you run a temperature?

Funny you should ask that, I felt a little funny this morning, Nothing really bad.

 

[Zagreus]

Before I asked my first set of questions I assumed you always use new syringes and use proper sterile injection procedures. I hope my assumption was correct. Secondly, when you drained the abscess, did you use a new syringe and some sort of sterilizing agent like alcohol, betadine or Clorox?

Sound like you definitely had / have an infected abscess. If you have a doctor you can trust, go to him/her. Otherwise, watch the area closely for new swelling, red or pink coloration and increased temperature both at infection site and overall body. I have heard of people draining there own abscesses without a doctor and post therapy anti-biotics and recovering. IT IS NOT ADVISABLE BUT POSSIBLE. You should at the very least get a course or anti-biotics that relate to this type of infection.

Also stop shooting your QV. If you do a search, you will see some people complaining about dirty or bacteria infested QV. That is why some people cook their gear in an oven before shooting it.

If you decide to wait and not see a doctor, the first sign of new symptoms such as swelling, red or pink irritation and or site / body temperature, GO TO A DOCTOR!

Good Luck,

Zag-

 

[emptywallet]

Before I asked my first set of questions I assumed you always use new syringes and use proper sterile injection procedures. I hope my assumption was correct. Secondly, when you drained the abscess, did you use a new syringe and some sort of sterilizing agent like alcohol, betadine or Clorox?

Sound like you definitely had / have an infected abscess. If you have a doctor you can trust, go to him/her. Otherwise, watch the area closely for new swelling, red or pink coloration and increased temperature both at infection site and overall body. I have heard of people draining there own abscesses without a doctor and post therapy anti-biotics and recovering. IT IS NOT ADVISABLE BUT POSSIBLE. You should at the very least get a course or anti-biotics that relate to this type of infection.

Also stop shooting your QV. If you do a search, you will see some people complaining about dirty or bacteria infested QV. That is why some people cook their gear in an oven before shooting it.

If you decide to wait and not see a doctor, the first sign of new symptoms such as swelling, red or pink irritation and or site / body temperature, GO TO A DOCTOR!

Good Luck,

Zag-

Yep, new needle and syringe every single time. Wiping the area with alcohol every single time. Sometimes, though, I don't clean the area with some soap and water, I just wipe it down really well with alcohol. However now I will be taking a shower before every shot. I appreciate all your help. The doctor thing is totally on my mind. I will be seeing my usual doc, as he's pretty cool about anything. I'll probably get a run of anti-b's very soon.

 

[The Architect]

If you pulled out that much fluid it must have been infected. I would go to doc just in case, you might need some anti-biotics. I got an infection in my shoulder a little bit ago. It was warm to the touch and swolen, got put on some antibiotics and in a few days it was gone.

 

[danish424]

So if there is a mild abscess, the immune system is able to fight it off on its own and all the formed liquid + the steroid oil depot that's there is absorbed, right? If there's been swelling for some days no gear could have absorbed from the depot. One would think some of the gear would be lost in the process.

 

[buffdoc]

Bro
You checking your posts on Steroidology? Double dipper! ;-)

 

[emptywallet]

Bro
You checking your posts on Steroidology? Double dipper! ;-)

Heh, I know. On another note, I have a docter's appointment scheduled for tomorrow. He's a long time friend of mine and we'll be the only people there on a Sunday. On another note, I just got done doing legs today. I'm not totally sure if that was a good idea or not but I set a new PR on squat. Crazy. Anyway, I appreciate everyone's words, whether they be criticizing comments or just plain "get your ass to a doc!" comments, they are all very much appreciated. I'll keep everyone updated. Thanks for the help.

 

[ironmaster]

Good answer there by superfreak.
This is common with high BA content gear like QV. Intrusive massage can help break down the scarring, and I have found that changing needle lengths is helpful as well. I use some cheap old Ft Dodge eq as a dilutent, which seems to prevent the problem all together.
You will know if it's an infected abcess.....you won't need to ask anyone. You will feel like shit and the pain will be outstanding.

 

[emptywallet]

Good answer there by superfreak.
This is common with high BA content gear like QV. Intrusive massage can help break down the scarring, and I have found that changing needle lengths is helpful as well. I use some cheap old Ft Dodge eq as a dilutent, which seems to prevent the problem all together.
You will know if it's an infected abcess.....you won't need to ask anyone. You will feel like shit and the pain will be outstanding.

Thats what I'm thinking about the abcess thing. I know I pulled some fluid out. But if it really was a bad abcess how in the world would I be able to set a new PR today? I shouldnt even feel like doing legs!! HOWEVER, it is always better to be safe than sorry. So first thing tomorrow I have an appointment with my doc. Its always better to be on the safe side.

 

[swoldier]

QV is vet grade shit and usually vet gear has a high bacteria rating. Next time try brovel, denkall, or loeffler products. Everybody seems to have swellings with QV test.

 

[Zagreus]

Thats what I'm thinking about the abcess thing. I know I pulled some fluid out. But if it really was a bad abcess how in the world would I be able to set a new PR today? I shouldnt even feel like doing legs!! HOWEVER, it is always better to be safe than sorry. So first thing tomorrow I have an appointment with my doc. Its always better to be on the safe side.

5cc-7cc of yellow pink fluid is an infected absess. But it sounds like you caught it early because you did not have the other more advanced symptoms of redness, dark yellow color and temperature. However, if you left your absess untreated and undrained, you would have been in bad shape. As indicated by the sheer amount of exudate 5-7cc's that accumulated around a 1cc shot. Your body was pumping in alot of white blood cells to kill the infection and or bacteria in your gear. There is no way you could have massaged that away.

On another note, if you inject into scar tissue with clean gear, sure an oil pocket can form and slowly be absorbed. Message will help. But that is not a absess. Remember puss is always an indicator of infection.

Doing legs was not a bad idea at all. It increased the blood supply to your legs and wound. The increased blood supply will aid in your immune responce against infection and assist in the recovery. Your body can't fight an infection without blood supply.

I have to admit, I am impressed that you caught it and drained it so early. That took some balls. Once you get your Anti-Biotics your be set.

Zag-

 

[emptywallet]

5cc-7cc of yellow pink fluid is an infected absess. But it sounds like you caught it early because you did not have the other more advanced symptoms of redness, dark yellow color and temperature. However, if you left your absess untreated and undrained, you would have been in bad shape. As indicated by the sheer amount of exudate 5-7cc's that accumulated around a 1cc shot. Your body was pumping in alot of white blood cells to kill the infection and or bacteria in your gear. There is no way you could have massaged that away.

On another note, if you inject into scar tissue with clean gear, sure an oil pocket can form and slowly be absorbed. Message will help. But that is not a absess. Remember puss is always an indicator of infection.

Doing legs was not a bad idea at all. It increased the blood supply to your legs and wound. The increased blood supply will aid in your immune responce against infection and assist in the recovery. Your body can't fight an infection without blood supply.

I have to admit, I am impressed that you caught it and drained it so early. That took some balls. Once you get your Anti-Biotics your be set.

Zag-

I've always been that way. Only if something is bleeding profusely (sp) or might give me trouble later on, will I go see a doc about it. I usually just try and forget about it and it would go away. HOWEVER, today was legs and I couldnt very well do good squats with my quad talking to me. Soooooooooooooo, I decided I'd just see what was brewing in there. Sure enough here comes the goo. I have probably stuck myself 20 times today in that quad in an attempt to get out all I possibly can. That may or may not have been a good idea but I got through legs today and set a new PR which I'm very proud of. Tomorrow is anitbiotic day. What antibiotic would you recommend? I'm sure they will give me something but since you seem so knowledgeable about these sort of things I though you might have something I could suggest to the doctor. I know when I had 12 stitches in my thumb, they gave me Cipro. It worked awesome.

 

[ironmaster]

Cipro is real broad spectrum, and will do the trick.

Swoldier......Denkall, loeffler and Brovel are also vet grade. Denkall owns QV. You really have to go European to get clean human grade stuff. I alternate cycles to give my ass a rest from the BA and to let the scarring heal. Will be starting that sweet Iranian enanth, Viramone prop and yellow tops next week. After 2 QV 50's, I need the break.

 

[Zoomster]

sorry about your situation.

I would just like to thank all of those on this post and other posts for convincing me that I never want to think about a QV product.

It seems like everytime I open one of these threads it's a QV product and mostly their test!

What's up with QV?