I Have a Question

[nickster#1]

Nickster,
Since you posed this question, I'm genuinly interested in knowing what your answer to this question is.

You are going to keep more of your gains from the test-prop than you would from the dbol. Besides TNE, test-prop is the most pure form of test there is. It is also a whole lot more androgenic than dbol. Dbol is more anabolic, but again, the gains, size and strength, are coming mostly from the retained water in your muscles. So once you stop the dbol, the water goes away, along with alot of the strength and size you put on from the dbol. With test-prop, you have the added benefit of aggression in the weight room that you DONT have with dbol. Also, with prop, you have less aromatization than the longer esters such as enanth or cyp. So less water, and more aggression, more test. Your gains from the test wont be as significant as the dbol, but say 2 guys with the same stats go into the gym, one doing dbol the other prop, 6 weeks each.
dbol gains 25lbs and bench press goes from 350 to 475.
prop gains 16lbs and bench goes from 350 to 425.
After pct, dbol keeps maybe 5 to 8 lbs and bench goes back down to 375.
prop keeps 10+ lbs, and bench stays around the 400 mark.
Both guys eat the same, train the same, and again, same stats.
This may be a hypothetical situation, but I have seen this happen time and again, guys who think that doing just dbol is OK, and never really get anywhere in the long run. I am not talking to you from some book I read, I am speaking from personal experiences of my own and from alot of people I know and see in the gym for years who have experiences with aas.
I hope I answered your, my question. I can go into alot of dynamics as to how all these compounds work, but you dont already know, it will give you something to do.
peace bro

 

[needtogetaas]

You are going to keep more of your gains from the test-prop than you would from the dbol. Besides TNE, test-prop is the most pure form of test there is. It is also a whole lot more androgenic than dbol. Dbol is more anabolic, but again, the gains, size and strength, are coming mostly from the retained water in your muscles. So once you stop the dbol, the water goes away, along with alot of the strength and size you put on from the dbol. With test-prop, you have the added benefit of aggression in the weight room that you DONT have with dbol. Also, with prop, you have less aromatization than the longer esters such as enanth or cyp. So less water, and more aggression, more test. Your gains from the test wont be as significant as the dbol, but say 2 guys with the same stats go into the gym, one doing dbol the other prop, 6 weeks each.
dbol gains 25lbs and bench press goes from 350 to 475.
prop gains 16lbs and bench goes from 350 to 425.
After pct, dbol keeps maybe 5 to 8 lbs and bench goes back down to 375.
prop keeps 10+ lbs, and bench stays around the 400 mark.
Both guys eat the same, train the same, and again, same stats.
This may be a hypothetical situation, but I have seen this happen time and again, guys who think that doing just dbol is OK, and never really get anywhere in the long run. I am not talking to you from some book I read, I am speaking from personal experiences of my own and from alot of people I know and see in the gym for years who have experiences with aas.
I hope I answered your, my question. I can go into alot of dynamics as to how all these compounds work, but you dont already know, it will give you something to do.
peace bro

You sure. Or is test suspension?

 

[nickster#1]

You sure. Or is test suspension?

Test suspension = TNE, test no ester.
Re-read what I wrote bro. "besides TNE, test prop is the most pure form of test".
I love TNE, test suspesion. Turns me into a one bad ass MOFO.
peace brutha

 

[needtogetaas]

Test suspension = TNE, test no ester.
Re-read what I wrote bro. "besides TNE, test prop is the most pure form of test".
I love TNE, test suspesion. Turns me into a one bad ass MOFO.
peace brutha

opps I missed it lol. Good shit bro. I skimmed the post and did not see that part.

 

[nickster#1]

opps I missed it lol. Good shit bro. I skimmed the post and did not see that part.

Its all good bro. My feelings are not "that hurt" because you just skimmed my post.

 

[needtogetaas]

Its all good bro. My feelings are not "that hurt" because you just skimmed my post.

 

[lookinfit75]

You are going to keep more of your gains from the test-testosterone propionate than you would from the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . Besides TNE, test-testosterone propionate is the most pure form of test there is. It is also a whole lot more androgenic than Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . Dbol is more anabolic, but again, the gains, size and strength, are coming mostly from the retained water in your muscles. So once you stop the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , the water goes away, along with alot of the strength and size you put on from the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . With test-testosterone propionate, you have the added benefit of aggression in the weight room that you DONT have with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . Also, with testosterone propionate, you have less aromatization than the longer esters such as testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. So less water, and more aggression, more test. Your gains from the test wont be as significant as the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , but say 2 guys with the same stats go into the gym, one doing Dianabol - methandrostenolone - the other testosterone propionate, 6 weeks each.
Dianabol - methandrostenolone - gains 25lbs and bench press goes from 350 to 475.
testosterone propionate gains 16lbs and bench goes from 350 to 425.
After PCT - post cycle therapy - , Dianabol - methandrostenolone - keeps maybe 5 to 8 lbs and bench goes back down to 375.
testosterone propionate keeps 10+ lbs, and bench stays around the 400 mark.
Both guys eat the same, train the same, and again, same stats.
This may be a hypothetical situation, but I have seen this happen time and again, guys who think that doing just Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is OK, and never really get anywhere in the long run. I am not talking to you from some book I read, I am speaking from personal experiences of my own and from alot of people I know and see in the gym for years who have experiences with anabolic steroids.
I hope I answered your, my question. I can go into alot of dynamics as to how all these compounds work, but you dont already know, it will give you something to do.
peace bro

Thank you for the answer to my/your question. Once again, real world experience is what I am looking for and you gave it to me and it's much appreciated.
Now based on your model, what would the gains be on a test/dbol cycle?

 

[the_alcatraz]

dbol alone is not a bad cycle. I just think it's not a very good first cycle.

With my experience, I get too bloated with dbol, and it is true that you lose a lot of size when you get off orals becuase you lose lots of water retention - that has been my experience with dbol. I also lost a lot of strength when coming off. That being said, dbol is amazing for bulking and a great start to a cylce. Would I do a dbol only cycle? Probably not.

I would do an anadrol 50 only cycle though

I know what you're thinking. Everyone says mg for mg, dbol is stronger more potent than anadrol. I just have had amazing size and strength gains with anadrol and thats why I prefer it over dbol.

 

[Nelson Montana]

dbol alone is not a bad cycle. I just think it's not a very good first cycle.

With my experience, I get too bloated with dbol, and it is true that you lose a lot of size when you get off orals becuase you lose lots of water retention - that has been my experience with dbol. I also lost a lot of strength when coming off. That being said, dbol is amazing for bulking and a great start to a cylce. Would I do a dbol only cycle? Probably not.

I would do an anadrol 50 only cycle though

I know what you're thinking. Everyone says mg for mg, dbol is stronger more potent than anadrol. I just have had amazing size and strength gains with anadrol and thats why I prefer it over dbol.

Would you say that 2 months after finishing a cycle of 350 mgs of test a week you'd be stronger than 2 months after a cycle of 350 mgs of dbol a week? I'd highly suspect that.

 

[tinytim-nor]

dbol alone is not a bad cycle. I just think it's not a very good first cycle.

With my experience, I get too bloated with dbol, and it is true that you lose a lot of size when you get off orals becuase you lose lots of water retention - that has been my experience with dbol. I also lost a lot of strength when coming off. That being said, dbol is amazing for bulking and a great start to a cylce. Would I do a dbol only cycle? Probably not.

I would do an anadrol 50 only cycle though

I know what you're thinking. Everyone says mg for mg, dbol is stronger more potent than anadrol. I just have had amazing size and strength gains with anadrol and thats why I prefer it over dbol.

I have just started today a cycle of dbol AND anadrol with some winstrol for good measure. Will be on 6 weeks unless gyno or other sides makes it not worth it. Heard good things about it and have had good experience with very short drol+win cycles in the past. I just hope I don't kill any innocent bystanders when my liver explodes!

Tiny