I Have a Question

[Nelson Montana]

I have to disagree with what you say regarding an experienced juicer needing to take toxic levels of dbol to get the significant gains sought after. I have done dbol on several of my past cycles, 30mg a day for first 4 to 6 weks with excellent results each time. One cycle I did 45mg a day with same results as 30mg a day. Also, the fact that dbol is liver toxic and this being the reason why it is reccomended to keep cycles with dbol short, when you blow up on dbol, and then stop, you do in fact lose a GREAT deal of your gains, and also need to do a pct as you will be shut down, it to me is just a tease of a cycle. Test recommended along with dbol is protocol because, dbol only??? Goodbye sex drive. And also, test is best, and essential to ANY cycle, IMHO. From my personal experience, and others that I know, test is the foundation in any cycle unless you are doing a light primo or var cycle. I love dbol, alot more than anadrol. Dbol gives you a great start to a cycle, and without the harsh sides you get from anadrol or other orals. But by itself??? No thanks. It is just a tease, and would only make a person, especially someone new to aas, frustrated as your gains come so quickly and strength, size are off the charts, but when your done, %80 to %90 goes away, even with a good pct. And your left holding a limp dick, durring and after cycle until your natty levels are up to par.
JMHO

So you're saying that using test prevents suppression and loss of libido AFTERWARD? That's impossible since test is every bit as suppressive as dbol.

 

[needsize]

Nelson, so glad to see you post this, I just said almost exactly the same thing on another forum...I get so sick of guys just posting up the old wives tales that they hear in the locker rooms, and this myth is the king of them....
dbol is so anabolic its great for growth, but because some dude sporting the massive 16" guns in the locker room said that it doesnt work on its own, then that much be true....

 

[nickster#1]

So you're saying that using test prevents suppression and loss of libido AFTERWARD? That's impossible since test is every bit as suppressive as dbol.

No, that is not what I am saying. I am just saying that with MY experience, and ALL the people I know and deal with in regards to aas, dbol only cycles are superfical, meaning that you get this huge gain in size and strength real fast, and when your done, you lose almost all of what you gained. The use of test with dbol is not only to help keep your gains, but also for libido purposes. Dbol only will suppress you, just as test will. But the differance being, you can still have great, and enhanced sex drive with test and dbol, as to where just dbol, you get big, strong and bloated, and a limp dick, durring and after a cycle. I am sorry, but it is my experience that test allows you to keep your hard earned gains alot better than just dbol alone cycle.
Who knows................everyone responds differant to these compounds. I am just going on my own experience and others as well. No offense bro. Just posting my .002
peace

 

[Nelson Montana]

No, that is not what I am saying. I am just saying that with MY experience, and ALL the people I know and deal with in regards to aas, dbol only cycles are superfical, meaning that you get this huge gain in size and strength real fast, and when your done, you lose almost all of what you gained. The use of test with dbol is not only to help keep your gains, but also for libido purposes. Dbol only will suppress you, just as test will. But the differance being, you can still have great, and enhanced sex drive with test and dbol, as to where just dbol, you get big, strong and bloated, and a limp dick, durring and after a cycle. I am sorry, but it is my experience that test allows you to keep your hard earned gains alot better than just dbol alone cycle.
Who knows................everyone responds differant to these compounds. I am just going on my own experience and others as well. No offense bro. Just posting my .002
peace

Keep in mind, test and dbol produce more gains because it's MORE. I'm not disagreeing with everything you're saying, I just think much of it is a separate issue from what I was saying.

 

[tinytim-nor]

Keep in mind, test and dbol produce more gains because it's MORE. I'm not disagreeing with everything you're saying, I just think much of it is a separate issue from what I was saying.

Also, test is generally run for 10+ weeks, maybe this allows gains to stick somewhat better than the 4-6weeks most limit themselves to on dbol only?

And dbol only cycles probably gets a bad rep because a lot of those that employ them are young, inexperienced with training AND diet. Many even stop training altogether when they've finished their stash of dianabol. Then it's no wonder no gains will be kept.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

agree with nelson, dbol is anabolic just like other steroids

 

[chazk]

I personally choose injectables due to less liver toxicty vs orals that stress the liver more.

But to say dbol is less anabolic is very unlogical . Look at arnold, draper, scott those guys blew up off the stuff in the laste 60's and you cant tell me it was all pump

 

[nickster#1]

I am not saying that dbol is not very anabolic. My concern is the fact that most people who have done dbol only cycles are in fact inexperienced and throw all caution to the wind. They do dbol, lift hard, and put on this great amount of weight real fast, get strong as hell, and feel good at the same time, no aggressive behaviors due to the fact that dbol is not very andrgenic. BUT, after they are done with their cycle, and after the first week or two, lose 10 to 15 of the LBs they put on, strength goes down the hole, (although they are still a bit stronger than they were when they started, just dont remember), and being they are somewhat shut down, libido is not quite what it should be, discouragement sets in and they either say f--k it and give up all together, or they go right back on dbol and get some of their size back. The thing is that dbol is not just liver toxic, but it also sends BP through the roof, and the water retention with the michelin man look???? No thanks.
I will admit this. If a person is super dedicated and disciplined with enough experience, sure, he can do a dbol only cycle and keep maybe half of it at most. But that is if he has what it takes after the big drop in weight and strength to keep driving himself hard in the gym, still eats like there is no tomorrow. I do know people that do only orals, and those are the people that dont like to pin themselves. They are also the ones that you see one day and they look nice and plump, and 3 months later, they look like they did from day one. I love dbol, and believe it is one of the staples in a good stack, used for a jump start or a bridge to pct. But as of yet, I have not met one person that does orals only, dbol, winny, anadrol, whatever, that has been able to keep the majority of their gains.
To those of you who do just dbol only with success, I commend you. Myself? I wish that orals only worked for me. dbol especially.
One more thing. Someone mentioned that the reason test gains stick with you better because you are on them longer than dbol? Do a 6 week prop only cycle, 100mg eod, and then do a dbol only cycle, 45mg ed 6 weeks. Who do you think will keep the majority of their gains????
peace bros

I personally choose injectables due to less liver toxicty vs orals that stress the liver more.

But to say dbol is less anabolic is very unlogical . Look at arnold, draper, scott those guys blew up off the stuff in the laste 60's and you cant tell me it was all pump

 

[lookinfit75]

One more thing. Someone mentioned that the reason test gains stick with you better because you are on them longer than Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ? Do a 6 week testosterone propionate only cycle, 100mg eod, and then do a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cycle, 45mg ed 6 weeks. Who do you think will keep the majority of their gains????
peace bros

Nickster,
Since you posed this question, I'm genuinly interested in knowing what your answer to this question is.

 

[needtogetaas]

Where did this notion that "Dbol alone" doesn't work and you'll lose your gains? It makes absolutely no sense yet I'd venture to guess that 75% of the board believes it and espouses it.

It's nonsense.

Anabolism is anabolism. You can keep every bit as much of the muscle grown on Dbol as you can on any other steroid. I believe the misconception comes from the fact that not only does Dbol cause a lot of water retention, it increases blood volume which is what gives those magnificant pumps. Sure, once you stop, you lose those quickly so it appears that you've lost what you gained. But in a sense, they were never really "gains." So the notion that it's somewhat irresponsible to use Dbol alone has no credence whatsoever.

If you want to maintain that "full, vascular look" after a cycle, I'd recommend using creatine (BIG BLAST) and VIGOR, which increases blood volume. It's an easy and effective way to maintain the Dbol effects.

There's nothing wrong with Dbol as a starter drug. In fact, I think it's an excellent choice for a first timer to test the waters.

No steroid provides 100% permanent gains. A drug like winny is so mild and causes no water retention so it appears that what you get, you keep, but that too is an illusion. The one exception to the rule might be Primobolan, but that too is arguable.

If you know what you're doing, you can keep 25% of your gains. (Up to a point). But it doesn't matter whether it's Dbol or test or Deca or Tren. There aren't Anavar receptors and Anadrol receptions or Masteron muscle fibers or Finaplex muscle fibers. Muscle is muscle.

All steroids grow muscle. All muscle developed from steroids is the same. All muscle from steroids has the same capability to remain. All muscle from steroids will diminish somewhat after a cycle. The effects of Dbol is no different than any other.

Let's lose this myth once and for all.

Thank you.