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Nelson Montana

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Where did this notion that "Dbol alone" doesn't work and you'll lose your gains? It makes absolutely no sense yet I'd venture to guess that 75% of the board believes it and espouses it.

It's nonsense.

Anabolism is anabolism. You can keep every bit as much of the muscle grown on Dbol as you can on any other steroid. I believe the misconception comes from the fact that not only does Dbol cause a lot of water retention, it increases blood volume which is what gives those magnificant pumps. Sure, once you stop, you lose those quickly so it appears that you've lost what you gained. But in a sense, they were never really "gains." So the notion that it's somewhat irresponsible to use Dbol alone has no credence whatsoever.

If you want to maintain that "full, vascular look" after a cycle, I'd recommend using creatine (BIG BLAST) and VIGOR, which increases blood volume. It's an easy and effective way to maintain the Dbol effects.

There's nothing wrong with Dbol as a starter drug. In fact, I think it's an excellent choice for a first timer to test the waters.

No steroid provides 100% permanent gains. A drug like winny is so mild and causes no water retention so it appears that what you get, you keep, but that too is an illusion. The one exception to the rule might be Primobolan, but that too is arguable.

If you know what you're doing, you can keep 25% of your gains. (Up to a point). But it doesn't matter whether it's Dbol or test or Deca or Tren. There aren't Anavar receptors and Anadrol receptions or Masteron muscle fibers or Finaplex muscle fibers. Muscle is muscle.

All steroids grow muscle. All muscle developed from steroids is the same. All muscle from steroids has the same capability to remain. All muscle from steroids will diminish somewhat after a cycle. The effects of Dbol is no different than any other.

Let's lose this myth once and for all.
 
Maybe the gains people speak of are the strength gains associated with, not only the additional lean tissue, but mainly the added leverage provided by the extra water retention?

I come and go from this forum and am not always up on things but I'm glad to see that you're back to posting Nelson. Always enjoy and respect your opinion on different subjects.
 
The only thing this thread will do is create a frenzy of dbol only cycle threads
 
HAYEZ said:
The only thing this thread will do is create a frenzy of dbol only cycle threads


Not so. The amount of Dbol necessary for an experienced juicer would be far too toxic to yield significant gains. That's the case with any oral. The point is simple. It is not the drug that has less affinity to maintain muscle. Muscle gained is muscle gained.

Dbol makes you stronger because of the blood volume. That doesn't mean you lose more muscle once that advantage is gone. You just lose the strength.

And again, that blood volume boost can be replicated, to a degree, with supplementation.
 
I think Nelson knows what he is talking about he has been in the game for a long time. I think that everyone will say not to do a dbol only cycle because every steroid will shut you down to an extent correct me if i am wrong so people will say take test with dbol to aviod your sex drive going away but test will shut you down also this is why you have to have a solid PCT regime in order before you even start a cycle.
 
I agree for the most part. I can do well on just small doses of test. It's how you eat, train, sleep, supplement etc that helps you maintain or keep your gains or minimize "bloat". Every one wants 110% of of their AAS, but are they putting 110% in their nutrition?, or their training?
 
ironcheif1984 said:
I think Nelson knows what he is talking about he has been in the game for a long time. I think that everyone will say not to do a dbol only cycle because every steroid will shut you down to an extent correct me if i am wrong so people will say take test with dbol to aviod your sex drive going away but test will shut you down also this is why you have to have a solid PCT regime in order before you even start a cycle.
My comment has to do with noobs reading this and taking it as dbol only cycle is acceptable cause nelson said gains will stick. Pct and all that has nothing to do with the point that they will think hey I'm gonna eat dbol all day and its a great cycle.
 
I have to disagree with what you say regarding an experienced juicer needing to take toxic levels of dbol to get the significant gains sought after. I have done dbol on several of my past cycles, 30mg a day for first 4 to 6 weks with excellent results each time. One cycle I did 45mg a day with same results as 30mg a day. Also, the fact that dbol is liver toxic and this being the reason why it is reccomended to keep cycles with dbol short, when you blow up on dbol, and then stop, you do in fact lose a GREAT deal of your gains, and also need to do a pct as you will be shut down, it to me is just a tease of a cycle. Test recommended along with dbol is protocol because, dbol only??? Goodbye sex drive. And also, test is best, and essential to ANY cycle, IMHO. From my personal experience, and others that I know, test is the foundation in any cycle unless you are doing a light primo or var cycle. I love dbol, alot more than anadrol. Dbol gives you a great start to a cycle, and without the harsh sides you get from anadrol or other orals. But by itself??? No thanks. It is just a tease, and would only make a person, especially someone new to aas, frustrated as your gains come so quickly and strength, size are off the charts, but when your done, %80 to %90 goes away, even with a good pct. And your left holding a limp dick, durring and after cycle until your natty levels are up to par.
JMHO


Nelson Montana said:
Not so. The amount of Dbol necessary for an experienced juicer would be far too toxic to yield significant gains. That's the case with any oral. The point is simple. It is not the drug that has less affinity to maintain muscle. Muscle gained is muscle gained.

Dbol makes you stronger because of the blood volume. That doesn't mean you lose more muscle once that advantage is gone. You just lose the strength.

And again, that blood volume boost can be replicated, to a degree, with supplementation.
 
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