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Some of you know i have my own glass studio. I recently made a bowl that I wasn't sure if i liked, but i listed it for sale at $60 plus $10 for shipping. It cost me $14 in material (at the most), plus electricity. I get my shipping material for free.

It takes me about 10 minutes to put it together before putting it in the kiln, but I can only make one every two days because if i put one in the kiln when i get home from work, it will be fused and (hopefully) cool enough by morning to touch, but I need to monitor it for the second fusing so i can't put it back in until i get home from work, and then it's not cool enough until the next morning.

The first one I listed sold in 2 hours.
The second one sold in 30 minutes, and then i got an order for another one from the first buyer and a pre-order from someone i never heard of. plus, my online store is looking empty since i keep selling my inventory (i've sold other things too, also quickly but the profit wasn't as high)

So. I have a show coming up in a week and my kiln is busy making these bowls, which means i can't make anything else (its not a large kiln, so i can really only make one at a time).
Do i:
a. raise the price to... $100 and get a few less orders but make more money
b. Keep the price the same and just keep cranking them out and use the profit for a much bigger kiln plus an electrician to run a separate line

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Keep raising the price until the sales slow down. Congratulations for being a great capitalist. Mrs Longhorn does watercolors and framing. I am trying to get her to sell stuff on ebay
 
Longhorn85 said:
Keep raising the price until the sales slow down. Congratulations for being a great capitalist. Mrs Longhorn does watercolors and framing. I am trying to get her to sell stuff on ebay
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+1

And then, with some of the profits, get a bigger kiln. Beautiful work, by the way. :)
 
a and b. . .both. . .start out with a. . .more money and less work is always a good thing. . .plus it keeps demand high. . .then. . .segue into b. . .and make more pieces. . .but don't lower the price :evil:
 
I think you should definitely raise the price. There is a market of knowledgeble customers who appreciate the labor (as well as the artistry) which goes into a piece.

Stilleto's the next Dale Chihuly, guys better get the goods while they're still affordable.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Keep raising the price until the sales slow down. Congratulations for being a great capitalist. Mrs Longhorn does watercolors and framing. I am trying to get her to sell stuff on ebay
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thanks.
ebay sucks for selling art. a lot of things won't sell within the time limit and then you're out of luck.
 
LuluDeren said:
I think you should definitely raise the price. There is a market of knowledgeble customers who appreciate the labor (as well as the artistry) which goes into a piece.

Stilleto's the next Dale Chihuly, guys better get the goods while they're still affordable.
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:)
thanks... i think only you and I might know who dale is though.
i did just see some of his stuff in vegas though. :)
 
I have a question for you, Stilleto. Can you combine your stained glass work with some fused glass? It'd be interesting to see how a window/panel/etc would look with low to medium relief imagery.
 
I see no reason why you can't do both
 
Beautiful work. No wonder they are selling so fast. That seems WAY underpriced to me. They have similar works at an art fair every year here in Louisville, and they sell for $200-$300 on average, probably.

Raise the price and then get a bigger kiln.
 
stilleto said:
Some of you know i have my own glass studio. I recently made a bowl that I wasn't sure if i liked, but i listed it for sale at $60 plus $10 for shipping. It cost me $14 in material (at the most), plus electricity. I get my shipping material for free.

It takes me about 10 minutes to put it together before putting it in the kiln, but I can only make one every two days because if i put one in the kiln when i get home from work, it will be fused and (hopefully) cool enough by morning to touch, but I need to monitor it for the second fusing so i can't put it back in until i get home from work, and then it's not cool enough until the next morning.

The first one I listed sold in 2 hours.
The second one sold in 30 minutes, and then i got an order for another one from the first buyer and a pre-order from someone i never heard of. plus, my online store is looking empty since i keep selling my inventory (i've sold other things too, also quickly but the profit wasn't as high)

So. I have a show coming up in a week and my kiln is busy making these bowls, which means i can't make anything else (its not a large kiln, so i can really only make one at a time).
Do i:
a. raise the price to... $100 and get a few less orders but make more money
b. Keep the price the same and just keep cranking them out and use the profit for a much bigger kiln plus an electrician to run a separate line

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B, Good luck with your biz, I need to figure out something to do to make extra cash :idea: (pm's from pick in 3 , 2 , 1...
 
SublimeZM said:
thats a really nice bowl, but not the kind i thought it was.

lower the price to 40-50$ and make even better bowls, and even more sales.

http://www.smokinscents.com/images/images/array_of_spoons.JPG
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lol
i wish.


Lulu- it can be done, combining fused glass with stained glass. I haven't done it yet. It can actually be done two different ways- one is to make a stained glass piece, using fusable glass, not art glass. lay it all out on a sheet of clear and don't foil it, just put a drop of cheap white glue to hold the pieces in place (the glue burns off) , then fuse. Or, you can "grout" it with black powdered frit.

Or, you can fuse something, then incorporate it into a stained glass piece.
 
stilleto said:
lol
i wish.


Lulu- it can be done, combining fused glass with stained glass. I haven't done it yet. It can actually be done two different ways- one is to make a stained glass piece, using fusable glass, not art glass. lay it all out on a sheet of clear and don't foil it, just put a drop of cheap white glue to hold the pieces in place (the glue burns off) , then fuse. Or, you can "grout" it with black powdered frit.

Or, you can fuse something, then incorporate it into a stained glass piece.
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why do you wish? make it real.

tobacco pipes sell way faster than bowls id say
 
heatherrae said:
Beautiful work. No wonder they are selling so fast. That seems WAY underpriced to me. They have similar works at an art fair every year here in Louisville, and they sell for $200-$300 on average, probably.

Raise the price and then get a bigger kiln.
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hmm. thanks... I have a show (with other artists) in a WEEK and barely have anything to show because i keep selling it. So i'm thinking i better raise my prices for it, so i don't sell out too fast.

i have some small things, like pendants and little dishes that I would ordinarily sell for $20 each, but i'll raise those prices too.
 
stilleto said:
hmm. thanks... I have a show (with other artists) in a WEEK and barely have anything to show because i keep selling it. So i'm thinking i better raise my prices for it, so i don't sell out too fast.

i have some small things, like pendants and little dishes that I would ordinarily sell for $20 each, but i'll raise those prices too.
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Raise the prices for the show. You can always negotiate a lower price if someone has a problem.
 
stilleto said:
Some of you know i have my own glass studio. I recently made a bowl that I wasn't sure if i liked, but i listed it for sale at $60 plus $10 for shipping. It cost me $14 in material (at the most), plus electricity. I get my shipping material for free.

It takes me about 10 minutes to put it together before putting it in the kiln, but I can only make one every two days because if i put one in the kiln when i get home from work, it will be fused and (hopefully) cool enough by morning to touch, but I need to monitor it for the second fusing so i can't put it back in until i get home from work, and then it's not cool enough until the next morning.

The first one I listed sold in 2 hours.
The second one sold in 30 minutes, and then i got an order for another one from the first buyer and a pre-order from someone i never heard of. plus, my online store is looking empty since i keep selling my inventory (i've sold other things too, also quickly but the profit wasn't as high)

So. I have a show coming up in a week and my kiln is busy making these bowls, which means i can't make anything else (its not a large kiln, so i can really only make one at a time).
Do i:
a. raise the price to... $100 and get a few less orders but make more money
b. Keep the price the same and just keep cranking them out and use the profit for a much bigger kiln plus an electrician to run a separate line

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beautiful work!

There are a couple little stores in Grapevine that sell artisans work. I have seen a lot of handmade glass bowls and the prices are way over 500 bucks each. Some of the larger pieces are in the 1200 2500+ range. I bet the owner would be thrilled to buy your work!

Artists are funny creatures, they calculate their material cost and their hard costs. ALWAYS forgetting the ability to create is worth 1000000000 times the actual price of material. Can Bob in Idaho make that piece for five grand? the answer is NOPE and HELL NO.

I would like to have some of your work, I'll even put in more hours at the drive up window!

:santa:
 
Angel said:
yeah glass bowls are expensive...small ones around here go 30-40 dollars. We are talking small as in 5-8 hitters
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yep, exactly. not to mention bubblers and bongs going for over 100$ depending on quality and size.

some crazy artistic pieces, like in a room full of huge awsome looking bongs, had a 800$ pipe the size of a big softball, loooked like a dragon, but was a pipe
 
stilleto said:
:)
thanks... i think only you and I might know who dale is though.
i did just see some of his stuff in vegas though. :)
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I saw a PBS special on him doing pieces with this Italian glass guy, it was awesome. My brother got to tour his facility when he was in Washington.

I think you should do both as far as you "problem" is concerned. And if I help you move and intall the bigger kiln can I get a discount on some pieces?

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
beautiful work!

There are a couple little stores in Grapevine that sell artisans work. I have seen a lot of handmade glass bowls and the prices are way over 500 bucks each. Some of the larger pieces are in the 1200 2500+ range. I bet the owner would be thrilled to buy your work!

Artists are funny creatures, they calculate their material cost and their hard costs. ALWAYS forgetting the ability to create is worth 1000000000 times the actual price of material. Can Bob in Idaho make that piece for five grand? the answer is NOPE and HELL NO.

I would like to have some of your work, I'll even put in more hours at the drive up window!

:santa:
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thank you so much.
i think when i get better/more professional, i'll feel more comfortable charging higher prices.
its funny though, when i point out the flaws, people keep telling me that only *I* know they are flaws, and not part of what a hand made piece of art IS.

but... if you really do want to buy something, pm me and I'll show you what's available.
 
SublimeZM said:
why do you wish? make it real.

tobacco pipes sell way faster than bowls id say
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those are made by glass blowers. I'm a glass fuser.
i know you don't know the difference, but there's a big difference. I can't make pipes.
 
stilleto said:
Lulu- it can be done, combining fused glass with stained glass. I haven't done it yet. It can actually be done two different ways- one is to make a stained glass piece, using fusable glass, not art glass. lay it all out on a sheet of clear and don't foil it, just put a drop of cheap white glue to hold the pieces in place (the glue burns off) , then fuse. Or, you can "grout" it with black powdered frit.

Or, you can fuse something, then incorporate it into a stained glass piece.
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If you ever attempt a piece, I'd like to see the result:)
 
stilleto said:
:)
thanks... i think only you and I might know who dale is though.
i did just see some of his stuff in vegas though. :)
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You can see some in my living room too.

I used to have them mounted on my fountain wall by the pool.
 
Raise the prices simple supply and demand issue plus IMO those are worth at least $100.

Oh change your avi it scares me KTHKSBYE
 
Can you make an "Elite Fitness" themed piece?
 
Can you make an "Elite Fitness" themed piece?
 
stilleto said:
OH, i remember! they are beautiful. i didn't know they were chihuly.
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Yep. they are the actual pieces he did himself when he was teaching workshops down here two years ago.

He's been to a couple of my parties before. Not THOSE kind of parties... the regular ones.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
whats a kiln worth, btw? if you have a ready market you should do both immediately imo
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mine is only 16" across and it was around... $900. the one i would want is probably $2,500, but i'd have to have an electrican run a separate 220 line for it, and i'd need to tile my studio floor (i put ceramic tiles under my current kiln, but if i got a large one, i'd need to redo the whole floor.
 
ok, so what youre saying is that the current kiln is worth 15 underpriced bowls or 9 "repriced-to-a-hundred-bucks" bowls, while the new kiln is worth 40 underpriced bowls or 25 "repriced-to-a-hundred-bucks" bowls, plus tiles and electrical (get an estimate from them in bowls, i aint working it out lol)

if you think thres a niche market that isnt going to dry up or be flooded out any time soon, take the plunge and just do it (you chickenshit lol)
 
AAP said:
Yep. they are the actual pieces he did himself when he was teaching workshops down here two years ago.

He's been to a couple of my parties before. Not THOSE kind of parties... the regular ones.
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I think I watched that same PBS show you were talking about. It was on a few years ago , right?
 
stilleto said:
mine is only 16" across and it was around... $900. the one i would want is probably $2,500, but i'd have to have an electrican run a separate 220 line for it, and i'd need to tile my studio floor (i put ceramic tiles under my current kiln, but if i got a large one, i'd need to redo the whole floor.
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I know tiling should you need help! I'm also a fair hand with wiring though you'd have to get it inspected afterwards.

Just fucking do it damn it.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
GoldenDelicious said:
ok, so what youre saying is that the current kiln is worth 15 underpriced bowls or 9 "repriced-to-a-hundred-bucks" bowls, while the new kiln is worth 40 underpriced bowls or 25 "repriced-to-a-hundred-bucks" bowls, plus tiles and electrical (get an estimate from them in bowls, i aint working it out lol)

if you think thres a niche market that isnt going to dry up or be flooded out any time soon, take the plunge and just do it (you chickenshit lol)
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well, being chickenshit isn't the issue. I don't just spend money on things i want whenever i want it.:)
I don't think art or glass market ever changes, but i want to make sure i can keep getting orders and see if what i have now just really isn't enough. The larger kiln also takes up a lot of room. my studio isn't tiny, but i'd have to totally reconfigure it.
 
pussy. you dont deserve to be rich and get fanned by beautiful men with ostrich feathers and fed grapes one at a time, like you would if you listened to me n scots. tsk tsk
 
GoldenDelicious said:
pussy. you dont deserve to be rich and get fanned by beautiful men with ostrich feathers and fed grapes one at a time, like you would if you listened to me n scots. tsk tsk
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you're right. i'm a bad person.
i am going to listen to you and the big guy though. :)
 
stilleto said:
lol
i'll keep your skillz in mind....
:)
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Those aren't the only skillz you should keep in mind! :qt:



















































I can lift really heavy things too, what were you thinking of? :evil:

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
stilleto said:
Some of you know i have my own glass studio. I recently made a bowl that I wasn't sure if i liked, but i listed it for sale at $60 plus $10 for shipping. It cost me $14 in material (at the most), plus electricity. I get my shipping material for free.

It takes me about 10 minutes to put it together before putting it in the kiln, but I can only make one every two days because if i put one in the kiln when i get home from work, it will be fused and (hopefully) cool enough by morning to touch, but I need to monitor it for the second fusing so i can't put it back in until i get home from work, and then it's not cool enough until the next morning.

The first one I listed sold in 2 hours.
The second one sold in 30 minutes, and then i got an order for another one from the first buyer and a pre-order from someone i never heard of. plus, my online store is looking empty since i keep selling my inventory (i've sold other things too, also quickly but the profit wasn't as high)

So. I have a show coming up in a week and my kiln is busy making these bowls, which means i can't make anything else (its not a large kiln, so i can really only make one at a time).
Do i:
a. raise the price to... $100 and get a few less orders but make more money
b. Keep the price the same and just keep cranking them out and use the profit for a much bigger kiln plus an electrician to run a separate line

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i want to order one. i really loved that first one you did especially with the circles of color on it and whatnot
 
how big of bowl can you make? I want one (different colors) than this one but want it much larger. I will make it worth your time if you can make something with the colors and size I want.. can you accommodate my needs?
 
we are looking for mariginal utility here, i think that is what it was called. (micro economics). the maximum units you can sell at the maximum price. so i would keep adjusting prices until i would find out what that price is.
 
Didn't you just make like $70,000 flipping a house recently?

Why not use some of that money on your larger kiln?

Unless, of course, you wasted it all on drugs, Junkie.
 
Smurfy said:
i want to order one. i really loved that first one you did especially with the circles of color on it and whatnot
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awww, thank you.
if you really want one, pm me and we'll talk about what colors and what size, etc.
 
alien amp pharm said:
Didn't you just make like $70,000 flipping a house recently?

Why not use some of that money on your larger kiln?

Unless, of course, you wasted it all on drugs, Junkie.
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yes, that's it.
plus other things, like some legal fees I had (an adoption), taxes, etc.

Its not that i can't just drop the money for it, but rather i'd like to keep this.. "contained". what I make, i'll put back into it. Its one thing to spend $100 on glass or supplies for my hobby, but when my hobby is costing thousands and not making anything in return- its a waste. If i only spend what I make- then i'll feel good about it.
 
the_clockwork said:
how big of bowl can you make? I want one (different colors) than this one but want it much larger. I will make it worth your time if you can make something with the colors and size I want.. can you accommodate my needs?
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The largest I can make right now is around 11" across or 12.5" across. Thats not HUGE, but its not small either. My kiln would accomodate a larger size than that, but I don't own any larger molds yet.
 
You work is quite lovely. My Old Grump is very much a lover of art. He'll give you a holler when our world is less noisy.

Truly you should raise your prices. I mean if the demand is THAT GREAT, why are you selling yourself short.

He was correct in his assessment in that artists dont take into account their PRICELESS ability to produce art that no one else can.... I am guilty of that m'self.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
You work is quite lovely. My Old Grump is very much a lover of art. He'll give you a holler when our world is less noisy.

Truly you should raise your prices. I mean if the demand is THAT GREAT, why are you selling yourself short.

He was correct in his assessment in that artists dont take into account their PRICELESS ability to produce art that no one else can.... I am guilty of that m'self.
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thanks for the advice (you and everyone else). pm me whenever you want- i'll custom make something for you.
 
I don't know much about glass but it would seem to me that you could approach it much the way custom knife makers do. Most have a "gallery" of their artwork. Some post up pics with prices until sold, then put a sold banner on it and remove the purchase price. That way you can increase pricing as your talent and reputation build. There are knife makers that are working on a two year wait list.
 
BNG said:
I don't know much about glass but it would seem to me that you could approach it much the way custom knife makers do. Most have a "gallery" of their artwork. Some post up pics with prices until sold, then put a sold banner on it and remove the purchase price. That way you can increase pricing as your talent and reputation build. There are knife makers that are working on a two year wait list.
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i do sell my stuff on line, but until this show that i have on saturday is over, i only have a few little things on there. as soon as i post something new that's larger, it sells, so i stopped.
 
stilleto said:
The largest I can make right now is around 11" across or 12.5" across. Thats not HUGE, but its not small either. My kiln would accomodate a larger size than that, but I don't own any larger molds yet.
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Oh I was looking for a huge bowl to go on this new table I got.. Maybe 36-40 inches wide.. that too big for your kiln?

there is a locally owned glass blowing place about 30 minutes from here but they ass rape me in how much they charge.
 
the_clockwork said:
Oh I was looking for a huge bowl to go on this new table I got.. Maybe 36-40 inches wide.. that too big for your kiln?

there is a locally owned glass blowing place about 30 minutes from here but they ass rape me in how much they charge.
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yes, that's awefully big and i know it would be very expensive. a 36" wide bowl is 3 feet though... are you sure you want something THAT big?
what i COULD do, if you were interested, is a series of small triagle shaped plates that would fit together to be approximately that big (or some other configuration), but you could use them individually. You'd probably need 12 or 13 plates though, to form a complete area.

12 plates x $30 a piece is $360000000000.
 
Hey, you know what you should do? What one of my favorite artists, duane kieser does. He puts little paints up on his blog and ebays them.
http://duanekeiser.blogspot.com/
They start at $100, but usually end up at around $300.

I expect a SUBSTANTIAL k donation for this excellent piece of advice.
 
jestro said:
Hey, you know what you should do? What one of my favorite artists, duane kieser does. He puts little paints up on his blog and ebays them.
http://duanekeiser.blogspot.com/
They start at $100, but usually end up at around $300.

I expect a SUBSTANTIAL k donation for this excellent piece of advice.
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check your k.
his paintings are good. although, the peach half with pit bugs me because the perspective is off and the peach is floating above the table.
 
stilleto said:
check your k.
his paintings are good. although, the peach half with pit bugs me because the perspective is off and the peach is floating above the table.
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oh no you did nt! You just called out the man on his perspective! Check out some of his other stuff, he knows his shit.
Check this out, he paints this ice cream cone while it melts. He da man.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iulpr-Lpouk
 
jestro said:
oh no you did nt! You just called out the man on his perspective! Check out some of his other stuff, he knows his shit.
Check this out, he paints this ice cream cone while it melts. He da man.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iulpr-Lpouk
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no no, he's good.
i just don't like that one painting.
 
update, cause i know you care:

So the show is tomorrow.
I sold 3 larger pieces on line that i intended to sell at the show. I have been working like mad to make 3 more , plus some smaller things to make up the space.

Last night I check my email, and I sold 3 more small things. Yes, it's great, but
a. now i have to work in my studio tonight to restock that.
b. I would have sold it for double the price at this show (it's in a wealthy lake community)
c. I'm hoping the jewelry I'm selling there actually sells, because the markup is goofy cool, and i'm still selling it cheap.

ok, yeah- i know this topic is boring to most of you. you all suck.
 
It's intresting to me, cause I'm gey like that. I really think you should hook up with a blog that leads to ebay. Put your regular price as the minimum, and see how much you can get. That way the customer will decide how much they're worth.
I can't remember how much you said you were selling for but you should be able to get a grand for some of those.
In about a week I'm entering 2 paintings into my first contest ever. I'm a little nervous.
 
jestro said:
It's intresting to me, cause I'm gey like that. I really think you should hook up with a blog that leads to ebay. Put your regular price as the minimum, and see how much you can get. That way the customer will decide how much they're worth.
I can't remember how much you said you were selling for but you should be able to get a grand for some of those.
In about a week I'm entering 2 paintings into my first contest ever. I'm a little nervous.
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really? that's awesome!!!
can i see them? pm me links!
i really want to see.

I'm not selling the glass for much yet- i wasn't confident enough in my skills to feel comfortable using too much glass and wasting it, so some of them were thin or uneven (which my friend said added beauty to them, but i don't know). Now i know how to work better, and i'm becoming more proud of what i've been making, so the prices are going up. I made a few larger things that i'm going to sell for $100 each, and then lots of medium size (like $60) and tons of small gift stuff ($20 each type of things- but those are the big profit makers).
hold on, i'll pm you a GREAT site to sell stuff on.
 
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