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i have 4lbs to lose
- Thread starter Dakotah
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DieselGunz
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how long after weigh in do u have to lift?
DieselGunz
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ceasar989 said:
no dont do that
Ps I know u are kidding
courtneybcca
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dont eat or drink anything, do a bikirams yoga class if you can and sit in a sauna and throw in some lasix if you have it.. not healthy at all but it can be done...
DieselGunz
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ceasar989 said:
foreigngirl
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laxatives?
DieselGunz
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that might hurt strength though
if u can deplete and then eat right after u might be good as long as u dont cramp up or become bloated
It is a delicate practice, if u r wrong u will feel like shit and not perform like u know u can
dont stop drinking water 2 much
if u can deplete and then eat right after u might be good as long as u dont cramp up or become bloated
It is a delicate practice, if u r wrong u will feel like shit and not perform like u know u can
dont stop drinking water 2 much
hawaiianflash
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Dakotah said:by tomorrow at 5 or 6 oclock for weigh in
what the HELL do i do im totally going bonkers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is it even possible?
should i still do the contest if im over???
Very easy. Drink a lot of water before your workout tonight. Do an hour of cardio and spend some time in the sauna to sweat out some more. When you go to sleep, you can be up to 3lbs over and you'll easily make the weight class. You will lose 2 pounds overnight simply through lack of food and water while you sleep. Do not drink any water tomorrow morning and weigh yourself at 12 noon. If you are 1lb over your limit, you'll be fine. Any more and you need to lose more water.
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mountain muscle
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That is all water weight and is simple to lose. Starving yourself is a mistake.
Until I was 16, I was a boxer. If I need to lose a couple extra pounds for a weight class, I wore those plastic -like pants&shirts, for sweating .... I wore it in the sauna. I would lose a few pounds in less than 1 hour. When I took that sweatsuit off after the sauna --- water just poured out. Might sound NUTZ ... but it worked.
Big Rick Rock
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I've had to make weigh hundreds of times in my life. Being over 4lbs the night before aint nothing to worry about. Put on a Sauna Suit and do cardio for about 30-45minutes. If you are really intense you can drop 1.5-2.5lbs in less than an hour.
If you go to bed and you are only 1lbs over, you have nothing to worry about, your body drifts about 0.5lbs every 8-12 hours. You should be on weight by noon tomorrow (as long as you don't eat anything before then).
-BRR
If you go to bed and you are only 1lbs over, you have nothing to worry about, your body drifts about 0.5lbs every 8-12 hours. You should be on weight by noon tomorrow (as long as you don't eat anything before then).
-BRR
lol!Dial_tone said:
well im going to get some dandelion root and in going to get up in the morning and do cardio till i cant anymore. i lost a whole pound in 20 min tonight so im happy bout that and im not going to drink or eat anything till directly after the weigh in. im at this point not worried about being strong im taking it one step at a time thats all i can do. as far as a sauna well i dont have one and i dont think there is one in town here except peoples personal. im just going to super heavy the sweats and do it that way.
to everyone
and to Dialtone
to everyoneand to Dialtone
Big Rick Rock
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Dakotah said:well im going to get some dandelion root and in going to get up in the morning and do cardio till i cant anymore. i lost a whole pound in 20 min tonight so im happy bout that and im not going to drink or eat anything till directly after the weigh in. im at this point not worried about being strong im taking it one step at a time thats all i can do. as far as a sauna well i dont have one and i dont think there is one in town here except peoples personal. im just going to super heavy the sweats and do it that way.
and to Dialtone
You can get pretty dehydrated and then replenish yourself after the weigh in... Laxatives will do a number on you and you won't be 100% after taking them. This has been my experience...
-BRR
GoldenDelicious
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ok look there are different sorts of laxatives - some are osmotic laxatives, which means taht they suck water out of your body (or stop it being taken into your body once youve had a drink), thereby increasing fecal mass, making you go to the toilet. this might be a bad way to go, since you mightnt get all of the poo out of you, meaning that youve just wasted lots of time and played with dehydrateion for nothing.
if you go and get a stimulant laxative, on the otehr hand, all it does is irritate your intestine a bit so that you feel the need to take a crap. if you do it this way, you wont be dehydrating yourself, while getting all of taht stuff out of you.
now, for a 4lb loss (big deal), simple water restriction and a bit of sweating (hot shower, sauna, cardio) as well as sodium restriction (dont eat salty food tonight, dont add salt to food etc etc) is all you need until the weigh in. i know a couple of world class olympic weightlifters (ie snatch, clean and jerk sort of stuff) and they tend to use sweating in a sauna, since they can get maximum weight off with minimum strength loss.
if it was a 7-8lb loss you needed, then ok, ok, youre in diuretic territory, but really, you should be able to use non drug measurs to get the job done.
now, you might be tempted to starve yourself, but its a mistake. you have to eat, or youll deplete your skeletal glycogen, and youll lose power. a LOT of power. carbs are taken up fairly quickly, but not as quickly as you might think, so eating lots and lots of them after the weigh in may not be an option (how long do you have, anyway?)
when i was doing my sports nutrition lecture series we had a pharmacist who was involved with world level cycling (and those mofos are the grand masters of carb loading/water loading) and the bottom line is that the MAX you will absorb is about a litre per hour of water if youre dehydrated, and something like 150g of carbs (and they tend to use specially formulated carbs to speed up gastric emptying, the sly dogs) so expect to get a couple of pounds of water and 150ish grams of carbs into the USEFUL parts of your body (ie into liver, muscle and blood, as opposed to just having it sit there in your intestine or stomach) per hour
good luck, and dont worry im sure youll do great
if you go and get a stimulant laxative, on the otehr hand, all it does is irritate your intestine a bit so that you feel the need to take a crap. if you do it this way, you wont be dehydrating yourself, while getting all of taht stuff out of you.
now, for a 4lb loss (big deal), simple water restriction and a bit of sweating (hot shower, sauna, cardio) as well as sodium restriction (dont eat salty food tonight, dont add salt to food etc etc) is all you need until the weigh in. i know a couple of world class olympic weightlifters (ie snatch, clean and jerk sort of stuff) and they tend to use sweating in a sauna, since they can get maximum weight off with minimum strength loss.
if it was a 7-8lb loss you needed, then ok, ok, youre in diuretic territory, but really, you should be able to use non drug measurs to get the job done.
now, you might be tempted to starve yourself, but its a mistake. you have to eat, or youll deplete your skeletal glycogen, and youll lose power. a LOT of power. carbs are taken up fairly quickly, but not as quickly as you might think, so eating lots and lots of them after the weigh in may not be an option (how long do you have, anyway?)
when i was doing my sports nutrition lecture series we had a pharmacist who was involved with world level cycling (and those mofos are the grand masters of carb loading/water loading) and the bottom line is that the MAX you will absorb is about a litre per hour of water if youre dehydrated, and something like 150g of carbs (and they tend to use specially formulated carbs to speed up gastric emptying, the sly dogs) so expect to get a couple of pounds of water and 150ish grams of carbs into the USEFUL parts of your body (ie into liver, muscle and blood, as opposed to just having it sit there in your intestine or stomach) per hour
good luck, and dont worry
im sure youll do great
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BrothaBill
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lasix, furosemide, give it to people all the time, drops fluid retention, its a loop diuretic referring to the renal loop where it dumps water, people with high bp or heartfailure dump a few pounds of fluid volume in the body system and the heart has less work to do, safe and easy if you know what you are doing deadly if you dont, old people take them like aspirin
GoldenDelicious
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oi you, stop being unethicalBrothaBilly said:
in a young first timer, using frusemide is a silly risk. someone wiht a good, healthy kidney on even a low dose of frusemide is going to produce a LOT of urine. while im not overly concerned with vascular hydration in someone as vibrant as dakotah, youre going straight to the worst case scenario, dehydrating them vascularly rather than dermally. what for?
the otehr thing to think about is that even if she runs to the pharmacy and gets some in the next 30 seconds, whe is going to get up 8 times tonight to go to the toilet, meaning that her sleep quality is going to hell and will probably zap her performance the next day. frusemide = in the morning type drug.
i just went through this with one of my cousins, who went in a bench press competition last weekend. he popped 2 lasix without asking me first (why the hell do they do taht, when ill answer any question for them anyway? twit) and instead of lifting 160kg like he normally does, he stalled on his starting weight becuse he was zapped. a guy who reps 160 only moved 130 in front of everyone, in the under 200lb class. lol!
Lady Viking
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sauna
Lady Viking
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And good luck sweetie, I hope I´d be there
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BrothaBill
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GoldenDelicious said:oi you, stop being unethical
in a young first timer, using frusemide is a silly risk. someone wiht a good, healthy kidney on even a low dose of frusemide is going to produce a LOT of urine. while im not overly concerned with vascular hydration in someone as vibrant as dakotah, youre going straight to the worst case scenario, dehydrating them vascularly rather than dermally. what for?
the otehr thing to think about is that even if she runs to the pharmacy and gets some in the next 30 seconds, whe is going to get up 8 times tonight to go to the toilet, meaning that her sleep quality is going to hell and will probably zap her performance the next day. frusemide = in the morning type drug.
i just went through this with one of my cousins, who went in a bench press competition last weekend. he popped 2 lasix without asking me first (why the hell do they do taht, when ill answer any question for them anyway? twit) and instead of lifting 160kg like he normally does, he stalled on his starting weight becuse he was zapped. a guy who reps 160 only moved 130 in front of everyone, in the under 200lb class. lol!
Not sure what you mean dehydrating vascularly vs. dermally, last I studied this stuff in university the dermis was fed by capillaries meaning its all part of the same system, you dont have areas that hold onto more water without an outside force. Loculated or venous or lymph issues, ie filaria worm(elaphantiasis), varicose veins etc...
ie swollen ankles or edema, gravity allows the fluid to collect, giving lasix reduces the swelling bilaterally and reduces the afterload of the heart. Youre taking fluid out of the system by changing the ionic gradient, that means fluid intra and extracellular fluid from all over. Less fluid in the capillary network the less the blood pressure of the system. I dont know, Ive popped lasix many a times, its the best blood pressure medication available according to research my man and should be used first line with all factors considered, taking something a first choice med safely is not a worst case scenario. Tons of people take diuretics, Ive taken them before to beat the old drug testing where you just piss water, but that was before I found zen.
When I drank in the past, it seemed like every so often I would retain water and get puffy faced from the alcohol, yknow, the renal alcohol effect so Id take 40mg lasix and zing, back to looking and feeling normal, thats why people that come in who drank the night before have high bps, b/c of fluid retention, just have to equalize that shit out and sitting in a sauna is going to exhaust you more than changing the ion balance of your system
Well whatever, I know how to use them but I dont need them, they are very effective and useful medication and often overlooked as a bp med b/c of pharmaceutical marketing according to that HUGE study a coupla years ago, Im sure you heard about it
and its spelled furosemide
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BrothaBill
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pintoca said:
Well whatever it is your reading that off of put it down now and go wash your hands
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GoldenDelicious
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when you start someone out on frusemide (there are 2 ways of spelling it, in australia its predominantly spelt frusemide...trust me i was confused a couple of times and had this convo beforeBrothaBilly said:Not sure what you mean dehydrating vascularly vs. dermally, last I studied this stuff in university the dermis was fed by capillaries meaning its all part of the same system, you dont have areas that hold onto more water without an outside force. Loculated or venous or lymph issues, ie filaria worm(elaphantiasis), varicose veins etc...
ie swollen ankles or edema, gravity allows the fluid to collect, giving lasix reduces the swelling bilaterally and reduces the afterload of the heart. Youre taking fluid out of the system by changing the ionic gradient, that means fluid intra and extracellular fluid from all over. Less fluid in the capillary network the less the blood pressure of the system. I dont know, Ive popped lasix many a times, its the best blood pressure medication available according to research my man and should be used first line with all factors considered, taking something a first choice med safely is not a worst case scenario. Tons of people take diuretics, Ive taken them before to beat the old drug testing where you just piss water, but that was before I found zen.
When I drank in the past, it seemed like every so often I would retain water and get puffy faced from the alcohol, yknow, the renal alcohol effect so Id take 40mg lasix and zing, back to looking and feeling normal, thats why people that come in who drank the night before have high bps, b/c of fluid retention, just have to equalize that shit out and sitting in a sauna is going to exhaust you more than changing the ion balance of your system
Well whatever, I know how to use them but I dont need them, they are very effective and useful medication and often overlooked as a bp med b/c of pharmaceutical marketing according to that HUGE study a coupla years ago, Im sure you heard about it
and its spelled furosemide
) you obviously start producing greater urine volume, and lots of people assume that overall water lost will be lost from the different compartments of the body equally - but in fact, when the fluid loss is very rapid, much of it is lost from the blood itself, and fluid doesnt seep out of other areas quickly enough to maintain normal blood volume. sure, the dermis and the rest of your peripheral areas are fed by the blood stream, as well as having lymph vessels etc etc...but for simplifications sake, incorperating the idea taht the blood/fluid moves quite slowly in the periphery, i just said "dermally" for the sake of keeping it easy.now as an example, if you get a patient with oedema in their ankles, and slug them with a big dose of frusemide, after say, half a day, you might find that their weight has gone down 4 lbs (and you think good! the water is coming out!) but youll notice that the oedema in their ankles is only a little reduced, but their tongue and other mucous membranes have started to dry up - this indicates that the water is being sucked out of the bloodstream too quickly, and so you should slow down overall fluid loss so that the patient doesnt end up having problematically low blood pressure and exascerbating other comorbidities, particularly if the patient has preexisting heart or kidney issues.
now imo your electrolytes arent going to change terribly between using mild doses of a diuretic and going into a sauna, but if youre losing water through your skin, its a little better because movement of water/ions out of the skin/periphery is going to be the bottleneck in this system - so if you compare sucking water out of the skin via sweat or out of the blood via the kidney, the ion/water gradient between the blood/periphery is not as prone to being unbalanced of youre taking the fluid out of the bottlenecking compartment
in terms of how good diuretics are as a drug, yeah sure, theyre up there as a potential first line agent in controlling blood pressure. why not? the only bad thing about them imo is the waking up at night issue, but thats hardly an issue with a patient who isnt an idiot and remembers to take them during the day. apart from that theyre relatively benign as drugs
if dakotah had taken frusemide before and had an idea of how it affected her, then sure, why not (apart from waking up every hour to go to the toilet, which really starts to piss you off...pun intended
) but on the night before her first comp? when she has a measly 4lbs to lose over 24hrs? in a strength event? nah. bad move, imo.
pintoca
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GoldenDelicious said:when you start someone out on frusemide (there are 2 ways of spelling it, in australia its predominantly spelt frusemide...trust me i was confused a couple of times and had this convo before
for example if you get a patient with oedema in their ankles, and slug them with a big dose of frusemide, after say, half a day, you might find that their weight has gone down 4 lbs (and you think good! the water is coming out!) but youll notice that the oedema in their ankles is only a little reduced, but their tongue and other mucous membranes have started to dry up - this indicates that the water is being sucked out of the bloodstream too quickly, and so you should slow down overall fluid loss so that the patient doesnt end up having problematically low blood pressure and exascerbating other comorbidities, particularly if the patient has preexisting heart or kidney issues.
now imo your electrolytes arent going to change terribly between using mild doses of a diuretic and going into a sauna, but if youre losing water through your skin, its a little better because movement of water/ions out of the skin/periphery is going to be the bottleneck in this system - so if you compare sucking water out of the skin via sweat or out of the blood via the kidney, the ion/water gradient between the blood/periphery is not as prone to being unbalanced of youre taking the fluid out of the bottlenecking compartment
in terms of how good diuretics are as a drug, yeah sure, theyre up there as a potential first line agent in controlling blood pressure. why not? the only bad thing about them imo is the waking up at night issue, but thats hardly an issue with a patient who isnt an idiot and remembers to take them during the day. apart from that theyre relatively benign as drugs
if dakotah had taken frusemide before and had an idea of how it affected her, then sure, why not (apart from waking up every hour to go to the toilet, which really starts to piss you off...pun intended
then again, we know that when people go to your Pharmacy and ask for frusemide, you always say " I don't think is ethically correct for you to have that, so fuck you and the car you came with" and send them their way
GoldenDelicious
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lol you cheeky bugger, my name isnt spelt t-i-g-e-r-8-8 you knowpintoca said:
i ahve no drama giving out any drugs really, except to people manufacturing amphetamines, in which case im a nazi
you want morning after pill, contraceptive pills, fat loss pills etc etc? sure.
the only time ill refuse someone is if a doctor has made a mistake (and mistakes include being a lazy bastard and giving bone thin people more fat loss pills, rather than trying to treat their body dysmorphia, and stuff like taht) or if theyre doing something really really dodgy - eg addicts trying to buy needles that i *know* they discard in bins nearby...fuck that, all the addicts can go to the clinic where they get the pins for free, and disposal bins are everywhere...no need to disperse used neeles all over the suburbs as well - or if people are buying pseudoephedrine type products to supply dealers and amphetamine manufacturers.
everyone else? no worries. and buy some jellybeans too, you fat bastards, theres a good profit margin on those
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BrothaBill
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GoldenDelicious said:when you start someone out on frusemide (there are 2 ways of spelling it, in australia its predominantly spelt frusemide...trust me i was confused a couple of times and had this convo before
now as an example, if you get a patient with oedema in their ankles, and slug them with a big dose of frusemide, after say, half a day, you might find that their weight has gone down 4 lbs (and you think good! the water is coming out!) but youll notice that the oedema in their ankles is only a little reduced, but their tongue and other mucous membranes have started to dry up - this indicates that the water is being sucked out of the bloodstream too quickly, and so you should slow down overall fluid loss so that the patient doesnt end up having problematically low blood pressure and exascerbating other comorbidities, particularly if the patient has preexisting heart or kidney issues.
now imo your electrolytes arent going to change terribly between using mild doses of a diuretic and going into a sauna, but if youre losing water through your skin, its a little better because movement of water/ions out of the skin/periphery is going to be the bottleneck in this system - so if you compare sucking water out of the skin via sweat or out of the blood via the kidney, the ion/water gradient between the blood/periphery is not as prone to being unbalanced of youre taking the fluid out of the bottlenecking compartment
in terms of how good diuretics are as a drug, yeah sure, theyre up there as a potential first line agent in controlling blood pressure. why not? the only bad thing about them imo is the waking up at night issue, but thats hardly an issue with a patient who isnt an idiot and remembers to take them during the day. apart from that theyre relatively benign as drugs
if dakotah had taken frusemide before and had an idea of how it affected her, then sure, why not (apart from waking up every hour to go to the toilet, which really starts to piss you off...pun intended
Ok, let me ask you a question then. You have a 54 y.o. male hx of Congestive heart failure dx, grade 2 systolic murmur, alcohol abuse, longstanding untreated hypertension, atrial fibrillation, ascites, ca++ around his heart on lao chest xray. You auscultate his lungs and hear rawls and he complains of dyspnea on exertion and nocturnal orthopnea graded at three pillows and bilateral edema. P02 of 90%, bp 160/105. He complains of inability to want to eat and you palpate his abdomen and note jugular venous distention, meaning you push on the liver and the neck pulsates.
What is your course of treatment and tests and how would you incorporate frusemide into that treatment, what are your initial suspicions?
Oh, lets throw in there a positive hep C and elevated LFTs as well as recent dental work in the last three weeks preceding his hospitalization for SOB and near-syncope, father has a hx of CAD and Long Qt syndrome, mother positive for breast cancer, no siblings
GoldenDelicious
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pfffffffft thats easy.BrothaBilly said:
you call the consultant and tell him to stop being such a lazy bastard, because there are 44 patients screaming for your attention and you havnt got the time to micromanage everyone (meanwhile, crickets are chirping in the pharmacy, and im up 13-3 playing connect 4 with the intern
)nah actually what youve described (off the top of my head, taking into account that i am not a diagnostician, so everything i say from here on in is from first principles and plain common sense ie im marooned on a desert island all alone quick make a decision because he's gonna die) is a patient that is essentially a big bag of water (water in peritoneal space -> loss of apetite. shortness of breath on exertion plus rawls -> oedema. presence of both of these watery symptoms reinforce presence of the other. high BP also reinforces overhydration) which theyre fully set up for (alcoholism -> water retention. AF/CHF -> shitty heart -> shitty glomerular flow -> buildup of fluid.) the high LFTs in the presence of hepC plus the jugular distention says theres some increased resistence in the liver, which youd get if there was some inflammation but potentially with cancer...and then you start thinking along the lines of bowel obstruction but you didnt mention any difficulty defacating... past dental work brings in possibility of infection/endocarditis.
soooo my non-clinician expertise would suggest that id like to check this guys kidney function to see what the hell is going on there, id like to see some electrolytes particularly calcium to see how im going to dose the frusemide, id like a sputum sample plus check out the endocarditis to take out a few possibilities as per what teh hell is going on precisely in the lungs (fluid only? infection? pnuemonia?) as well as evaluate endocarditis as a primary, id like some heart attack enzyme tests to see how his heart tissue is coping...i forget what theyre called (since my cardiology sucks and im going to fall back on that) ...soooo if i had to do something then and there, and he was already in a bed, id jam him on normal calcium level dose frusemide IV while i waited for the bloods to come back (in which case i might up it by a factor of 3) put him on fluid restriction and weigh him periodically so i could track wtf was going on with his fluid levels, and scan his liver
then reevaluate.
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Big Rick Rock
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Dakotah said:wwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooooo
i woke up this morning and i weighed 165lbs exactly!!!!!
im happy and relieved but im fearful of keeping it off till 7pm tonight
guess i will find out tonight whats the real outcome
Ok... I'm late getting to this thread but oh-well... For next time.
If you have 12-14hrs till weight in and you are ON WEIGH you are a lucky and better off than most people who cut weigh.
Your body SHOULD drift at least a pound of weigh in that time. You will drift more during the day as you are more active than during your sleep.
I would take advantage and try to replenish my electrolytes. Drinking very small amounts of Pedialyte (SP?). That will make you feel 100% better. Just make sure to keep your intake to HALF of what you expect to drift, If you know you are ON WEIGH and you will drift 1.5lbs by the time you weigh in, you should only drink 8-10 oz of pedialyte.
Some people eat bananas and crap to replenish themselves. I say stick to fluids until AFTER you weigh in.
BTW- After you weigh in and you gulp down a 16oz bottle of Gatorade without taking a single breath... You will start to sweat your balls off 5-10mins after finishing that bottle. The sweat will be pouring out of your skin for no good reason... That is a sign that you have pushed your body to extreme dehydration. If that doesn't happen, that mean you had a few more pounds of water you could have lost and still been alright.
Good luck homegirl!
-BRR
courtneybcca
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so details girl..... what was the verdict at the weight in?
she made it with 4.6 lbs to spare
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nutsnack
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contract syphillis.. my friend got it and lost like 20 lbs in 2 weeks!
Big Rick Rock
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You guys see the guy on "Ultimate Fighter2" Last night? he had to drop 20lbs and gave up with only 5lbs to go.
-BRR
-BRR
Big Rick Rock said:
That happens to me ever time i drink something (usually drinking water). I down a glass and I start sweating immediately. Does that mean something's wrong with my system? Am I dehydrated, exhausted, overtrained, gay? Seriously, it's been like that for a few years. I drink and immediately sweat profusely.
