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I hate the border agents!!!

PolfaJelfa said:
There are methods. However i personally do not encourage anyone to try this. The tire is the FIRST place they are trained to look. I would bring it across legally by declaring it and going back and forth. Customs agents at the borders know what they are doing and they enjoy taking a screw driver and dismantling your vehicle piece by piece if needed.


P.J., not to hassle you bro b/c I don't know one way or another, but have you or anyone you know actually done the declaration thing? I ask b/c I've been told that it is not possible in the case of gear, save with a valid prescription from a U.S. liscensed doc which would defeat the purpose anyway. If you have done so or no firsthand of it working I'm very interested. I've heard the theory many times but just as many times I've heard its a myth and whil;e you won't get arrested or fined, you won't get through with your gear either. Please let me know, I'd love some definitive info.
 
Yes its true, its the LAW. However many border control agents do no tknow the law themselves. Be prepared know the law then be4 attempting it ask the agents that you plan on carying this across and find out what is the ammount you can take at 1 time. After all its legal on the mexican side so they can not penalize you for asking and declaring. All they may do is denny you and giv eyou back the gear. If you look unconfident and like you do not know what youa re doing they will try to fuck with you and intimidate you and take your gear for themselves.

Im not perfectly sure of how to do this, if to declare for veterinary use or personal medical use. I have heard this from many REPUTABLE people. I have not tried it as i do not cary anything over the border. I woudl be safe if you are going to try this and ask before hand.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Yes its true, its the LAW. However many border control agents do no tknow the law themselves. Be prepared know the law then be4 attempting it ask the agents that you plan on carying this across and find out what is the ammount you can take at 1 time. After all its legal on the mexican side so they can not penalize you for asking and declaring. All they may do is denny you and giv eyou back the gear. If you look unconfident and like you do not know what youa re doing they will try to fuck with you and intimidate you and take your gear for themselves.

Im not perfectly sure of how to do this, if to declare for veterinary use or personal medical use. I have heard this from many REPUTABLE people. I have not tried it as i do not cary anything over the border. I woudl be safe if you are going to try this and ask before hand.

This is not true. I live in AZ close to the border, and I have been to the border in Cali many times before.

You have to have a VALID US script in order to declare, then you can get a 90 day supply. You can get a script in Mexico for about $20, but the US Border patrol will NOT accept that, and will take your shit.

Just recently a 70 y.o man sat in jail for almost a month in mexico for buying perscription drugs without a valid script. The Mexican police caught him before he made it to the border. He was buying blood pressure medicine. You can search the archives at www.azcentral.com to find the storey, it was front page new 6 months ago or so.

YOU CANNOT DECLARE VET GEAR, unless you have the horse with you - LOL

I am not posting this based on what I have heard from " heard this from many REPUTABLE people", I know this to be true.
 
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Thanks for the follow up. I won't be doing it myself though for sure. I've done alot of crazy stuff in my life this far, but I never could bring myself to so much as shoplift a stick of bubblegum. The whole getting caught thing just never seemed worth it and this falls under the same category for me. I'll pay other pros to take the risk.
 
This is what the law says:


Code of Federal Regulations

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Section 1301.26 Exemptions from import or export requirements for personal medical use.
This page includes changes to the Code of Federal Regulations since April 1, 2004. View Key.

Any individual who has in his/her possession a controlled substance listed in schedules II, III, IV, or V, which he/she has lawfully obtained for his/her personal medical use, or for administration to an animal accompanying him/her, may enter or depart the United States with such substance notwithstanding sections 1002-1005 of the Act (21 U.S.C. 952-955), providing the following conditions are met:

(a) The controlled substance is in the original container in which it was dispensed to the individual; and

(b) The individual makes a declaration to an appropriate official of the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection U.S. Customs Service stating:


(1) That the controlled substance is possessed for his/her personal use, or for an animal accompanying him/her; and
(2) The trade or chemical name and the symbol designating the schedule of the controlled substance if it appears on the container label, or, if such name does not appear on the label, the name and address of the pharmacy or practitioner who dispensed the substance and the prescription number. , if any; and
(c) The importation of the controlled substance for personal medical use is authorized or permitted under other Federal laws and state law.(c) In addition to (and not in lieu of) the foregoing requirements of this section, a United States resident may import into the United States no more than 50 dosage units combined of all such controlled substances in the individual's possession that were obtained abroad for personal medical use. (For purposes of this section, a United States resident is a person whose residence (i.e., place of general abode-- meaning one's principal, actual dwelling place in fact, without regard to intent) is in the United States.) This 50 dosage unit limitation does not apply to controlled substances lawfully obtained in the United States pursuant to a prescription issued by a DEA registrant.

[62 FR 13952, Mar. 24, 1997]




http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/cfr/1301/1301_26.htm




and:

The above guidance does not specify that a U.S. citizen may import an unapproved drug only with a prescription from a U.S. licensed physician, or that a foreign citizen may import an unapproved new drug only with a foreign prescription. Rather, to ensure that the importation is for personal use only (and not for resale), and to ensure that the use of the unapproved new drug sought to be imported into the U.S. is supervised and does not represent an unreasonable risk, the guidance provides that the individual affirm in writing that the drug is for his or her personal use, and provide either the name and address of the U.S. licensed physician who will supervise its use or some evidence that the treatment was begun in a foreign country and that the drugs are being imported to continue/conclude the already begun treatment. Thus, while not the only documentation, either a U.S. or foreign prescription, along with an affirmation of personal use, could be supplied as evidence that this factor exists.


http://www.fda.gov/ora/import/pipinfo.htm




From Customs own brochure:

Rule of thumb: When you go abroad, take the medicines you will need, no more, no less.
Narcotics and certain other drugs with a high potential for abuse—Rohypnol, GHB, and Fen-Phen, to name a few — may not be brought into the United States, and there are severe penalties for trying to do so. If you need medicines that contain potentially addictive drugs or narcotics (e.g., some cough medicines, tranquilizers, sleeping pills, antidepressants, or stimulants), do the following:
• Declare all drugs, medicinals, and similar products to the appropriate CBP official.
• Carry such substances in their original containers.
• Carry only the quantity of such substances that a person with that condition (e.g., chronic pain) would normally carry for his/her personal use.
• Carry a prescription or written statement from your physician that the substances are being used under a doctor's supervision and that they are necessary for your physical well being while traveling.

U.S. residents entering the United States at international land borders, who are carrying a validly obtained controlled substance (other than narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or LSD), are subject to certain additional requirements. If a U.S. resident wants to bring in a controlled substance (other than narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or LSD) but does not have a prescription for the substance issued by a U.S.-licensed practitioner (e.g., physician, dentist, etc.) who is registered with, and authorized by, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to prescribe the medication, the individual may not import more than 50 dosage units of the medication into the United States. If the U.S. resident has a prescription for the controlled substance issued by a DEA registrant, more than 50 dosage units may be imported by that person, provided all other legal requirements are met.

\Please note that only medications that can be legally prescribed in the United States may be imported for personal use. Be aware that possession of certain substances may also violate state laws. As a general rule, the FDA does not allow the importation of prescription drugs that were purchased outside the United States. Please see their Website for information about the enforcement policy for personal use quantities.

***Then see above from FDA own site...
 
1) Never put it in a spare tire. Very obvious. 2) You can only bring it back and declare it in Juarez. Doesn't work in TJ.

Not to flame ya bro, but you should have read my thread from a few months ago. Same thing happened to my friend. He didn't pay as much as you, but it's still on his passport. I know the best place best to hide gear, but after what happened to my friend, I'll never do it again.
 
While posting law documents is an interesting read and all, I believe black sheep is telling us what is going down at the border. I've always had an inkling that this was the way it would play out, being that it sounds doable here and now, but just won't fly at the border. If it did way more bros would do it.
 
The problem is people are bringing through drugs that ARE NOT approved for use by the FDA. So you need to find out what is approved for use in this country(USA) for HRT. Test eth is one generic hormone used. So you get your physician papers (Mx physician), declaration sheet that you are using this for personal use and for an ongoing medical condition , printouts of the CFR, FDA website, Customs Brochure (in case you get challenged), and your 50 units and they can't say DICK! If they do seize it you contest it and ask them what papers need to be filed as you have followed the letter and intent of the law 100%. Normally when seizures are contested they will notice you and if you contest it it becomes a Judicial matter not an internal admin matter. The AUSA will review the case and defer any prosecution or seizure procedures. They will instruct Customs to release the items. Once again THIS ONLY WORKS IF YOU ARE DECLARING APPROVED DRUGS ON FDA's LIST!
 
Sinis said:
The problem is people are bringing through drugs that ARE NOT approved for use by the FDA. So you need to find out what is approved for use in this country(USA) for HRT. Test eth is one generic hormone used. So you get your physician papers (Mx physician), declaration sheet that you are using this for personal use and for an ongoing medical condition , printouts of the CFR, FDA website, Customs Brochure (in case you get challenged), and your 50 units and they can't say DICK! If they do seize it you contest it and ask them what papers need to be filed as you have followed the letter and intent of the law 100%. Normally when seizures are contested they will notice you and if you contest it it becomes a Judicial matter not an internal admin matter. The AUSA will review the case and defer any prosecution or seizure procedures. They will instruct Customs to release the items. Once again THIS ONLY WORKS IF YOU ARE DECLARING APPROVED DRUGS ON FDA's LIST!


Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but with physicians papers, you mean from a doc liscensed in the U.S. right? It wouldn't work with a foreign script. In this case, I'd just fill it in the U.S., but I doubt many have a script. Sheep is saying that while the law might appear to say you can imprt in practice the border agents do not.
 
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