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RADAR

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2 Good Bros are gone and no one cares to explain why. Big Fed & Hulkster you are missed.............................................................while everyone is in a locking mood ,lock this i don't care.


RADAR
 
I can understand your feelings. I think it would help us all if we knew the whole story and both Hulkster and Big Fed were allowed to have their say. This woul dleave none of the other members under any illusion of what the real problem was or is.

Wrongun!
 
I think that we will eventually here the whole story, "the real story" but you can bet that its on another board. Elite should realize that they no longer own a monopoly on the PC bodybuilding community.:)
 
RADAR said:
2 Good Bros are gone and no one cares to explain why. Big Fed & Hulkster you are missed.............................................................while everyone is in a locking mood ,lock this i don't care.


RADAR
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Guys this is explained in the sticky. If you think that it is OK and safe for our members for people to use our PM system to be a SOURCE, then something is wrong.

The FIRST thing most of you do is scream SCAMMER when people solicit this way. This is not only a violation of the rules, but its a violation of common sense.
 
I have been on the board for 7 months, and when I first got here
I was very impressed, I came from the old fitness board.

Yesterday I had a post locked and maybe rightfully so, but I couldn't help thinking that the quality of this board has gone downhill lately.

I don't get on here and post just to post, it seems there are many that do that. Some people posting thousands of posts in a few months. Damn, that is a lot. I just don't see the quality of discussions that I used to.

Anyone else seeing this?
 
Zoomster, this is not about you or anything else. This is about people who put you in an insecure situation. If you don't appreciate the fact that we are helping you in doing this, then there are other issues.

Even Steriodology banned one of their own MODS and a BANNED member from this site for the same thing.

Please do not turn this into something it isn't.
 
EF Sam said:
Guys this is explained in the sticky. If you think that it is OK and safe for our members for people to use our PM system to be a SOURCE, then something is wrong.

The FIRST thing most of you do is scream SCAMMER when people solicit this way. This is not only a violation of the rules, but its a violation of common sense.

EF is right about this...I should know.

I not saying that Hulkster or Big Fed should have been banned, I liked both of them a lot, but sourcing through the PM system got me scammed. I was lucky a few times, but it only takes once.
 
Zoomster said:


EF is right about this...I should know.

I not saying that Hulkster or Big Fed should have been banned, I liked both of them a lot, but sourcing through the PM system got me scammed. I was lucky a few times, but it only takes once.

So you think its OK for them to be sourcing through PMs? Your kidding right? I even enjoyed reading these guys posts, and seeing their advice and such. Hulkster seemed like a great guy and he did a lot for the community. Don't think that anyone will say that these guys didn't act nice on the boards. However, that doesn't change the fact of what they did and how incredibly stupid it was.

Like I said, there isn't a board out there that wouldn't ban someone for this. These guys really screwed up and even came back last night and posted more to incriminate themselves. These are LOCAL USA residents, come on guys, wake up, be safe and respect what we did here.
 
EF, don't put words in my mouth.

The truth is that I agree there should be no sourcing through PM's.

I am not trying to turn anything into anything.

You are just being defensive about your decision.

As I stated yesterday, it's your board, do what you feel you need to do in these situations.

I'm not siding either way, but they were good bro's and they did contribute a lot.
 
EF Sam you don't answer my e-mails, other than with an automated response, is it proper business to penalize a member who has been a patron of elite products in the past, because he did not wish to continue platinmum at this time? You took my Handle "liftsiron" as well as a post count of over 4200, then e-mailed me with your automated response that in order to get my name and post count back I must pay for platinmum. Others have e-mailing me stated that this did not happen to them when their plat accounts expired, is this selective scamming?
 
This makes no sense to me at all , why would someone especially well-known vets want to create customers by spaming members through PM's. You would think that they would just pass the info that they were sources to thier friends and let it spider-web from thier. Why ?
 
I liked both those guys, this really sucks, but i understand why. If the accusations are true, those two out of all of us,should have known better, but are they permanently banned or just suspended for a while. Any chance we'll see them again besides the occasional posts from FU SAM (or similar board name) that were up for an hour or two last night before they magically disappeared. Sorry Sam, I had to chuckle at that, I know its tough enforcing the rules.
 
Zoomster said:
I have been on the board for 7 months, and when I first got here
I was very impressed, I came from the old fitness board.

Yesterday I had a post locked and maybe rightfully so, but I couldn't help thinking that the quality of this board has gone downhill lately.

I don't get on here and post just to post, it seems there are many that do that. Some people posting thousands of posts in a few months. Damn, that is a lot. I just don't see the quality of discussions that I used to.

Anyone else seeing this?

You know, this place goes through cycles. Every once in a while the mods get lock-happy but then then their zeal fades and everything goes. Of course EF Sam is now on the scene so there is nore oversight (since he is a paid employee) but after a few weeks/months you'll see more freedom again.
 
Just want to say kudos to EF Sam for putting up an explanation of the bannings. Hope this is a sign of things to come. :)
 
Maybe this wsill help explain things, maybe not. A few nights ago, Hulkster PMd me saying he was a master hacker, and that he figured out who I was (he thought I was 2Thicks alter ego), I played along. He said he wanted to check up on some sources, but that my (2thick's) mailbox was full. So I gave him a couple insecure addys, and I even suggested we talk over payphones...he didnt go for it but he still prolly thinks Im 2thick. Anyways, he was very careful and wouldnt discuss anything even though I was egging him on just to fuck around...too bad it ended this way but these are serious issues and the board has to protect itself.
 
YOU guys have no idea of the risks taken here on this board....Ulter is correct in every sense of his statement.....we are not ALONE guys...we are being monitored all the time where ever we go and whatever we do.....its amazing that we can talk like we do and pass on info as such....BTW, anyone go shopping last night at a RALPHS OR VONS????? remember what you purchased????........they do......FED, come back and fight another day....this time, keep your fucking head down.
 
Whats up w/ that?

liftsiron1 said:
EF Sam you don't answer my e-mails, other than with an automated response, is it proper business to penalize a member who has been a patron of elite products in the past, because he did not wish to continue platinmum at this time? You took my Handle "liftsiron" as well as a post count of over 4200, then e-mailed me with your automated response that in order to get my name and post count back I must pay for platinmum. Others have e-mailing me stated that this did not happen to them when their plat accounts expired, is this selective scamming?
 
Hey sk* dude, get it together man. You dont need to piss and moan about that post. I saw it myself this morning, and it was out of line and pretty stupid. I am not trying to be a dick dude, but think about what you are saying. Almighty did this same shit and got caught for it at Steriodology, I didn't see you bitching about PMs over there.
 
sk* said:
LMAO, what a joke, my post was erased. :rolleyes:

-sk

I deleted it and sent you a PM as well. Read your PMs, I didn't just delete it and not say anything about it.
 
It's about time those two dopes were banned.......who the fuck actually looked at a thread and thought, "oh good, hulkster/big_fed made a post"....hahaha........thank you EF Sam!
 
Time and time again we repeat NO SOURCE CHECKS VIA PM. If you can't follow these rules you put everyone at risk.
 
EngiCream said:
It's about time those two dopes were banned.......who the fuck actually looked at a thread and thought, "oh good, hulkster/big_fed made a post"....hahaha........thank you EF Sam!



Exactly
 
sk* said:


Hmm, my pm box is empty.

-sk

I will resend it right now, you have my apologies. I do not agree with locking or deleting without an explanation.

Lets keep this thread on topic for here on out.
 
RADAR said:
2 Good Bros are gone and no one cares to explain why. Big Fed & Hulkster you are missed.............................................................while everyone is in a locking mood ,lock this i don't care.


RADAR

Those two guys were sourcing through PM's. What do you/they expect to happen. That's a no no and a blantant violation of the rules of this board or any other board. I bumped heads with Big Fed often and had my fair share of heated exchanges with HULTSTER. I actually liked them both though but rules are rules. You can't blame the Admins for doing what is necessary to perserve the integrity of the board. This isn't a popularity contest. Look at happened to The Almighty. He was a Mod at Steroidology and a Vet here. He had a lot of Internet pals but when he blantantly broke the rules as these two guys did he was banned too.
 
ulter said:
You've go to cross a very wide line to get banned here.
If EF Sam says they were sourcing by using this boards PM or through ANY method then he did the same thing I would have done. I don't care who they are.

Amen. I have a lot of respect for Sam. He's working hard to make this a great site.

There are people here who get disrespectful of the system. They need to go... no matter who they are.
 
soprano9mm said:
This makes no sense to me at all , why would someone especially well-known vets want to create customers by spaming members through PM's. You would think that they would just pass the info that they were sources to thier friends and let it spider-web from thier. Why ?
It doesnt make sense to me either but they were doing it. This news came to the EF staff because of members they were soliciting reported them. Then after being banned, they came back and openly started posting they were sources. That is absolutely rediculous since it not only puts themselves but any current customers in grave danger. Why would they do that? Money im sure, but I wouldnt use someone who so blatantly puts me at risk.
 
EngiCream said:
It's about time those two dopes were banned.......who the fuck actually looked at a thread and thought, "oh good, hulkster/big_fed made a post"....hahaha........thank you EF Sam!

Actually the big fed's posts were a hoot to read. He was also very knowledgeable about sleep aids/tranquilizers/painkillers. Funny to read and a good source of information. Didn't even know he was a source but que sera sera.
 
I agree, by doing things like that, everybody is put at risk. I know that you guys are just doing your job, but it seems that elite is getting smaller and smaller nowadays. I read a sticky on another board a while back that said ...

"If people keep dropping like flies from Elite, its going to be know as Empty Fitness, not Elite Fitness."

I hated to see that because this is a great board. And its the wide variety of bros from all over the world that contribute to the site that make it good.
 
I liked THE BIG FED, and as was earlier stated his posts were fun to read. But at the same time if these accusations are true then...well it's out of my hands thankfully. But these guys have been around long enough to know NOT to do any source posting/checking through PM's (if that is in fact what happened). But I do remember BIG FED coming back briefly last night stating this was not the case (under the handle banned guy). But I suppose with access to those PM's that EF SAM knows what really transpired...
 
Mavy said:
I agree, by doing things like that, everybody is put at risk. I know that you guys are just doing your job, but it seems that elite is getting smaller and smaller nowadays. I read a sticky on another board a while back that said ...

"If people keep dropping like flies from Elite, its going to be know as Empty Fitness, not Elite Fitness."

I hated to see that because this is a great board. And its the wide variety of bros from all over the world that contribute to the site that make it good.

Elite is still the biggest board by far and will remain that way. Regardless of what you read on various posts bashing Elite the member base here is still 10x greater than your average fitness board.
 
After getting to the bottom on this.......i pmed EF Sam and issued an apology,if it were not for people like him and the mods,lots of stuff can get outta hand rather quickly,to bad The Fed & Hulkster went about the wrong way of doing it!!!! Now lets put this thread to rest,i feel it has served its purpose.



RADAR
 
Well it appears that both of them disagree with the charges being levied against them (this is what I just finished reading on another major board).....I personally don't know what happened (and probably never will), but I do know that we are only being given one side of the story here...
 
This is why I try to stick to Training, Powerlifting, and Chat now. This forum is just too shady sometimes.
 
The Terminator said:
Well it appears that both of them disagree with the charges being levied against them (this is what I just finished reading on another major board).....I personally don't know what happened (and probably never will), but I do know that we are only being given one side of the story here...

Believe what you want. I have a log of each and every PM, INCLUDING the PMs that were DELETED last night. I have informed them both of this via email. Funny how they did not dispute anything when accused and waited a whole day to post a bunch of garbage at another site.

What do they want me to do, post all the PMs? If THEY want and ask me to, I will. I can post the PMs, the emails, their personal information, whatever they like. Hey, its their freedom at stake. We don't post personal information here, but if they ask me to, to "clear their name, I will.

Last night a slew of comments were made and we have all of that information as well. If they want to lie and say what they want on the SAME board that a MOD WAS BANNED for doing the same thing then let them.

I have no need to press this further, and those guys are very stupid for posting what they are on that other board. They are just going to get more attention to themselves.
 
This is a little off topic, but are you sure EF SAM is a "he"?
I´d put a woman to adm this board if I was GS...

Rules are for all, and applying them even to the dearest/famous/popular ones is a very hard job that I´m glad it is being done.
 
EF Sam said:


Believe what you want. I have a log of each and every PM, INCLUDING the PMs that were DELETED last night. I have informed them both of this via email. Funny how they did not dispute anything when accused and waited a whole day to post a bunch of garbage at another site.

What do they want me to do, post all the PMs? If THEY want and ask me to, I will. I can post the PMs, the emails, their personal information, whatever they like. Hey, its their freedom at stake. We don't post personal information here, but if they ask me to, to "clear their name, I will.

Last night a slew of comments were made and we have all of that information as well. If they want to lie and say what they want on the SAME board that a MOD WAS BANNED for doing the same thing then let them.

I have no need to press this further, and those guys are very stupid for posting what they are on that other board. They are just going to get more attention to themselves.
 
Rio 2001 said:
This is a little off topic, but are you sure EF SAM is a "he"?
I´d put a woman to adm this board if I was GS...

Rules are for all, and applying them even to the dearest/famous/popular ones is a very hard job that I´m glad it is being done.

Pretty sure EFSam is a female. At least that's what I read at another board. Maybe it's false though. Also juding from the posts he/she made in the past, it seems as if he/she previously was a member as he/she knows quite abit about stuff from before he/she was here. :D
 
Stangfriik said:


Pretty sure EFSam is a female. At least that's what I read at another board. Maybe it's false though. Also juding from the posts he/she made in the past, it seems as if he/she previously was a member as he/she knows quite abit about stuff from before he/she was here. :D

Great, so my ESP on females is still strong...;)
 
Hey brothers I am locking this up. This ends here, if admin has an issue please let me know. I am going by what Tx did over at ology I agree with him on this. This ends right now, discuss it over emails if you wish.
 
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