humans and apes mating

[AustinTX]

A lab?

Nope, Houndog is correct.

Some freaky shit going on in Africa, which made it's way to an international flight attendant, who became patient 0 for most of the rest of the world....

 

[Big Johnson]

The human/ape diploid is viable.

 

[KAYNE]

IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO WOULD FUCK AN APE.....PLEASE SHOOT HIM. ON THE SPOT.





KAYNE

 

[MasterChief]

And genetic manipulation could in theory fix all of this, but I have yet to see a reason to do it, but I'm sure someone eventually will try …. I mean, everything else has been tried (as I'm sure some horny person has already tried to mate with an ape somewhere on this planet), so is it possible?

Yes like you said highly improbable. A crossbreed has already been done in a lab under genetic manipulation. The fetus however reported abnormalities and was killed before it could develop.

 

[AustinTX]

The human/ape diploid is viable.

Damn BJ, first word I've had to look up on chat, like *ever*
But I'm not a geneticist or anything

diploid:
1. Double or twofold.
2. Genetics. Having a pair of each type of chromosome, so that the basic chromosome number is doubled: diploid somatic cells.

So are mules diploids? I know there are some freaky human anomalies where someone ends up XXY or XYY, or something like that, and ends up with "gender issues" and are sterile.

I'd think with all of the genetic variations that have been bred into dogs/wolves and they can mate, that something viable *could* happen given enough trys between various primates....

 

[kidvilla]

The creationist versus evolutionist standpoint is that the 24 chromosome difference is further proof that humans and apes shared a “Common Ancestor.” This would go in line with the concept of genetic mutations between evolving and diverging subspecies (as in humans, chimps, and bonobos) in that if the common ancestor had 24 chromes, then this explains why apes have them, but in humans, the 24th chromosome fused into various parts of chrome 5, 12, and others. Simply stated, apes have 24 chromes like the common ancestor ,and humans have 23 chromes which is a mutation from the 24 chrome ancestor …. Can it reverse? (go from 23 to 24) No, only catastrophic mutagenesis would cause such a shift (by protein, viral, mitoic or radiation induced reformation), and 99 times out of 100, the result is death, whereas losing chromosomes (something that even amongst humans happens) will result in mutations (mutation is not a scary word, it just means a change, but unfortunately, most changes may not be helpful), but usually, the species has a better chance of survival….

As for the creationists, they argue that “intelligent design” is what created it, and that there is efficiency of reuse of redundant material ….. kind of like the argument for why men have nipples, which is argued that it is because genetics is efficient and it is easier to just give men and women breasts and inactivate their lacation capability in men rather than to give men nipple-less chests, which genetically speaking, may result in other negative things as a result of the missing genes…

As for me, I have read the debates frequently, but I tend to lean towards that evolutionist side because I have never considered that believing in it diminishes my belief in God. I could explain why, but suffice it to say that I have reasoned it thoroughly and I am quite comfortable with the belief that God long ago created the laws of time and space such that all of this wonderful stuff on this planet was planned right from the Big Bang 4 billion years ago ….

But then again, a belief is a belief …. But the science is still valid

 

[kidvilla]

IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO WOULD FUCK AN APE.....PLEASE SHOOT HIM. ON THE SPOT.





KAYNE

i agree with you that bestiality is deplorable, and a disgrace with few equals, but ill save my bullets for child molesters and kiddie pr0n peddlers.....

 

[KAYNE]

i agree with you that bestiality is deplorable, and a disgrace with few equals, but ill save my bullets for child molesters and kiddie pr0n peddlers.....

THERE ARE ENOUGH BULLETS TO GO AROUND. BUT JUST INCASE YOU RUN OUT, CARRY A SMALL, PORTABLE AXE WITH YOU. MAKE SURE THE BLADE IS JUST DULL ENOUGH TO MAKE THE DECAPITATION PROCESS SLOW AND PAINFUL. ABOUT 20 BLOWS WITH ONE BLOW EVERY 60 SECOND INTERVAL SHOULD SUFFICE.



KAYNE

 

[Big Johnson]

Mules usually cannot produce offspring because of the complications that arise during myosis, or gamete production. Because the organism has a different number of chromosomes comming from each parent, this would be 23 from the human parent and 24 from the ape for our purposes, gametes (eggs and sperm) wind up with irregular chromosomes that no longer carry the genetic information they should to produce a viable creature after fertilization. No cell division occurs, unless by random chance each haploid is complimentary to the other, which though possible is extremely rare.

Most human/chimp crosses have been done on a slide in the lab, but the organism is terminated after cell division begins to occur.

The only documented chimp/human hybrid that was ever studied died decades ago in the 50s' after being rescued from a traveling circus. The issue of human and ape hybrids was far too disturbing a topic at the time, so the chimp was labeled as a new, undiscovered species of smarter, more human-like chimp. The data that has survived shows that the animal had numerous hybridized traits as seen in the blood and tissue tests that were performed at the time, along with some very human characteristics, such as upright walking, decreased body hair, and intelligence. What photos survived show an animal that is clearly not your average chimp. However, the organic remains of the animal have not survived the years, and most primatologists are content to dismiss the creature as a rare bonobo chimp, though bonobo tissue and blood does not show a mixture of human and chimp traits like those seen in the circus hybrid's. The photographic data does not support the bonobo hypothesis in the least.

When talk of the creature reimerged during the seventies, most dismissed the blood and tissue data as being flawed, innacurate, or forged.

The truth is that the people in the position to prove such a hybrid is possible by performing a scientific study from fertilization into childhood realize that some things are best left unproven.

 

[russian_power]

Some freaky shit going on in Africa, which made it's way to an international flight attendant, who became patient 0 for most of the rest of the world....

That is right on. I won't get into the details but Austin TX is pretty accurate. Unfortunately a vaccine does not seem close. I do speculate though that even if there was or will be a vaccine in the future it might be hidden. The pharma comp make more money on "longevity" type drugs rather than curing it. Some people complain that American's and other 1st world nations do not help as much as they could in Africa where HIV numbers are very high. But the truth is that much of the drugs shipped over there wind up being sold to europeans and the leaders of the African nations (some) don't care enough to help their own people. Cynical, probably. I may be wrong so correct me if I am.