Huck, Macro and Zyg....AS usage & enlarged heart connection?

[Antiestrogenic]

Does anybody think there is a potential link between AS usage and an enlarged heart?
I know it causes hypertrophy of skeletal muscle, what about cardiac muscle?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

It's certainly possible,particularly if one is regularly conducting stressful cardio sessions.I suppose this would be an individualistic,genetic disposition though.It IS something that has always concerned me.Personally,I avoid cardio(at least stressful)while on,and hit it hard when the A/S have cleared my system.

 

[2Thick]

It is more of a genetic fault than soemthing caused by AAS.

Marathon runners have enlarged hearts, too but it is for a different reason.

 

[xonic2xonic]

I avoid cardio(at least stressful)while on,and hit it hard when the A/S have cleared my system.

Nothing to do with the original question but just curious... do you not find intense cardio to be catabolic post cycle right when you are most vulnerable?

 

[bigbabybodybuilder]

Steroids by themselves do not appreciably increase the size of your heart. But If you retain water and your blood pressure is elevated for a long period of time because of roids, you may dovelope LVH (left ventricular hypertrophy) I know I am border line so I decided to diet down from 320 to my current weight of 270 at aprox 13% my blood pressure is healthy and no more stress on the ticker.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Nothing to do with the original question but just curious... do you not find intense cardio to be catabolic post cycle right when you are most vulnerable?

Sorry,should have been more clear on that.I don't do that immediately post-cycle,just when I decide to run a cutting phase.I am always either clean,or very low dosed on my A/S when running cardio sessions.It does make things tricky in terms of catabolism in either case.

 

[CLEMDOG]

AS usage does predispose oneself and increase the risks of cardiovascular disease, maybe not directly, but more so indirectly. For example, Triglyceride levels, cholesterol levels are adversely affected as well as the HDL/LDL ratio. This ultimately can lead to atherosclerotic heart disease, and we all know can lead to increased risk of myocardial infarctions, cardiac ischemia and angina and increased risk of stroke. AS usage can stimulate erythropoeisis and increase the viscosity of blood and the potential for vascular problems such as the development of a thrombus or even emboli. Hence, the increased risk of the development of an MI, stroke and angina.

As far as the chances of cardiomyopathy and cardiomegaly, I'm exactly unsure of the pathology behind AS use and these diseases. I would venture to say that blood pressure increases, increases in blood viscosity, the development of athersclerosis and arteriosclerosis over time can lead to left ventricular heart failure from the increased workload the left ventricle must pump against. Over time this can lead to enlargement and inefficiency of the left ventricule and if continued to progress can end up causing both right and left sided CHF.

Like stated, no one is the same. Genetic predisposition to cardiovascular diseases will definitely play a role.

Modifiable risk factors must also be looked at. Of course smoking, drinking, drug usage, AS usage, hypertension, overall health, diet, activity level should be assessed. Other risk factors that are not modifiable, or only treated, include pathological diseases such as diabetes, hypercholesterolemia, preexisted cardiovascular problems, ect..

I've used myself, so I'm not bashing AS, however, there are associated problems with AS and increase ones risk for pathological processes to take place. So, I'd say use your own personal judgement, stay healthy, modify risk factors and use within moderation.

 

[CLEMDOG]

Good example: look at Zoomsters recent post on taking a trip to the CCU.
Then again, it could have happened regardless of his AS usage.

 

[Fonz]

I've already done the research.......

Acetyl-L-Carnitine(5g) + R-ALA(600mg) + Choline(3g) + Co-Q10(100mg/day), will pretty much erradicate any type of AAS induced enlarged heart.(Assuming no genetic problems...and even then, it wouldm most probably let them lead normal lives)

The ALCar is specially important as it rejuvenates the heart walls.
Choline amplifies AlCars effects.
And R-ALA and Co-Q10, increase oxygen transport to the heart by about 30-40%.

Also, you can use idebenone: A synthetic variant of Co-Q10 and more powerful. You only need 45mg to 100mg of Co-Q10.

Fonz

 

[CLEMDOG]

Fonz, I definitely like the combo you have put together. Thats a good prophylactic approach.

Dont forget the Green Tea , my favorite...