HS athletes and supplements

[mrp3652]

fair point

but all im syaing is yes you should as a high school kid wait until the last opportunity to juice hopefully it i snever unboubtble it will eb at some point whetehr after an injury or trying to make an nfl team or get a scholarship the opurtinity will rear its ugly head.

baring this in mind is a 17/18 year old kid has the change to make a scholarship which means they get educated for free and i know how much you yanks poay for education. but he has to put on 20lbs or something then juice is an option he could and probablyw ill consider. we here in these situations need to put preducdice aside i.e. no kids on gear etc and all that and look at the case and actaully trya na dput the safest possible cycle together for him to minisie the damage it may due. this isnt th eideal situaton but nay stretch but tbh nor is not goign to college or missing out a pro-contract cos you are too small or weak.

To quote myself from my last post:

"When it comes down to football, they can make enough natural gains while building their base to at least make it somewhere decent by the time that in required(talent and skill in the game being their for the kid too). After a couple years at the college, the kid with the natty gains due to his base can then consider steroid use to further his already great potential."

Enough size to survive the college stardard can be made with an executed proper diet and a good workout plan for a period of the 4 years of high school. There is plenty of test and gh there for the taking being made in the body naturally which increases with the good diet and workout.

Needing to take steroids to achieve the size of some at college size is totally incorrect unless there are horrible genes involved, which can still be worked upon more that they think. And if you had horrible genes to begin with then you just weren't breed for football.

 

[southpaw45]

What would you do if your son had the potential to be a great athlete and really go some where. We'll say he's a junior(17). You have him on the best possible training and diet program for his age. He can't possible pack on another pound of muscle. Another guy on your son's team has the same skills and potential as your son but is using aas to put him over the edge. This guy has a good diet and training program also, and he is now 20lbs heavier and almost twice as strong as your kid. The pro scouts and colleges are calling him throwing big scholarships at the juice kid because is just so far ahead of everyone else.

Would you let your son juice then?

 

[steelmass]

lol, creatine dbol mix or what? What's sad is I know many people that juiced in HS and they are now at D1 colleges or in the minor leagues.

Ya thats real sad considering they'd never have gotten a college education otherwise... If its their only way out of the ghetto/trailerpark then DO IT!

 

[cityhick]

Size is important in football but not near as important as everyone thinks. I was a very under developed 17 year old and started D end in a top 5 nationally ranked high school. I was 5'8'' a 180 lbs of not that much muscle. I was the smallest starting lineman in our division. I worked my ass off and never took AS. Plus most 16-21 year olds drink plenty and dont have the disipline for it. I admit I get off track sometimes but I am not going to start AS till I know I am locked down on my diet. It will be soon but im not rushing it or going into it prematurely. Shit I am only 19.

 

[steelmass]

To quote myself from my last post:

"When it comes down to football, they can make enough natural gains while building their base to at least make it somewhere decent by the time that in required(talent and skill in the game being their for the kid too). After a couple years at the college, the kid with the natty gains due to his base can then consider steroid use to further his already great potential."

Enough size to survive the college stardard can be made with an executed proper diet and a good workout plan for a period of the 4 years of high school. There is plenty of test and gh there for the taking being made in the body naturally which increases with the good diet and workout.

Needing to take steroids to achieve the size of some at college size is totally incorrect unless there are horrible genes involved, which can still be worked upon more that they think. And if you had horrible genes to begin with then you just weren't breed for football.

You have to be kidding me bro - Our middle linebacker (D1 powerhouse) came in as a freshman at 245, our outside linebacker ran a 4.5 at 225 prolly legit 6-7%BF, WE RECRUITED 3 TACKLES OVER 300 LBS - one I saw bench 490 @ 18.

All of these kids were juiced, no doubt about it. No kid has a sixpack at 6'2 245 without roids @ 19-20.

How do you expect people to compete without juice. You'd have to be a genetic freak to get recruited by a top program without juice, either that or play WR, DB or a pure speed/skill position. And some of these 18-20 year olds are on the verge, they juice and get a college education OR they don't and miss out and sell rock the rest of their life.. at best they become garbage men. Get real bro.

 

[mrp3652]

What would you do if your son had the potential to be a great athlete and really go some where. We'll say he's a junior(17). You have him on the best possible training and diet program for his age. He can't possible pack on another pound of muscle. Another guy on your son's team has the same skills and potential as your son but is using aas to put him over the edge. This guy has a good diet and training program also, and he is now 20lbs heavier and almost twice as strong as your kid. The pro scouts and colleges are calling him throwing big scholarships at the juice kid because is just so far ahead of everyone else.

Would you let your son juice then?

There shouldn't be the brick wall you are talking about for anyone around 17 yeards old. Too much natural test in the body. Also varying routines may help. But if this brick wall hits then my kid should either be freaking huge or doesn't have the genes to cut it in football.

No need to ever put a 17 year old on juice whether at genetic potential or not. I just don't think it's possible to get to that genetic potential until at least 23.

 

[steelmass]

Colleges recruit frame and speed anyways. We recruited ( a top 100 recruit ) linebacker this year that runs a 4.4 @ 6'2" 175. They see his frame and know they can juice him. Its all about potential - you either have it or you don't. HOWEVER - HGH would be more important than anything to lineman/undersized athletes.

 

[cityhick]

At 17 YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. PERIOD! You dont know shit about life. You most likely havent worked a full time job. You never had a serious relationship. And most likely drink heavy smoke pot and dont do shit. Fucking forget about just health consequences.. you are mentally unstable. And I never have seen a 17 year old that has been at a platue that he could not break with a good diet and routine.

 

[mrp3652]

Steelmass:
A kid natty could get near that 6'2 245, it would just take more time obviously. It is unfortunate the time in their lives that they have to expect to be at that football size. If it were age 24 then the natty until 22or23 would be at least the same size unless genetics.
I still would not suggest my kid or others to take anything til at least 22.

 

[steelmass]

mrp3652: You entirely missed my point. An 18-19 year old could not look like that. There are no 24 year old college freshmen/highschool seniors.

YOU DO NOT GET RECRUITED AT 24!