HS athletes and supplements

[Techbaseball]

Man... it's amazing what high school students think about steroids and supplements. I coach HS baseball and overheard a conversation about "getting big" on the bus. We were headed to a baseball game when they started talking about the "big" kids in their weight lifting class. Most of the info was coming from the "expert" 15 year old who actually sits the bench. I let most of the stuff that was being said slide...not wanting to put myself in the position of discussing steroids to high school students (my views are obviously more informed then what they hear in the media). And the last thing I need is for one of the athletes to go home and say "coach said that steroids are okay!"

Well...... i had to step in when the expert said that creatine is bad shit and makes your balls shrink...... but it will blow your muscles the fuck up. Then he started to give examples of the "big" kids who take it and gain like 40 lbs of muscle.

It just sucks.... cuz as a HS coach you have to really be careful how you approach nutrition and supplementation. You can get into some serious trouble just by mentioning basic calorie, carb and protien information.

--Techbaseball

 

[SwolK]

tough situation, but i know what you mean

 

[southpaw45]

lol, creatine dbol mix or what? What's sad is I know many people that juiced in HS and they are now at D1 colleges or in the minor leagues.

 

[BigCracker]

Man... it's amazing what high school students think about steroids and supplements. I coach HS baseball and overheard a conversation about "getting big" on the bus. We were headed to a baseball game when they started talking about the "big" kids in their weight lifting class. Most of the info was coming from the "expert" 15 year old who actually sits the bench. I let most of the stuff that was being said slide...not wanting to put myself in the position of discussing steroids to high school students (my views are obviously more informed then what they hear in the media). And the last thing I need is for one of the athletes to go home and say "coach said that steroids are okay!"

Well...... i had to step in when the expert said that creatine is bad shit and makes your balls shrink...... but it will blow your muscles the fuck up. Then he started to give examples of the "big" kids who take it and gain like 40 lbs of muscle.

It just sucks.... cuz as a HS coach you have to really be careful how you approach nutrition and supplementation. You can get into some serious trouble just by mentioning basic calorie, carb and protien information.

--Techbaseball

I feel ya. As an adult I'd really like to mentor these kids with the truth in hopes it would sway them away from the use of AAS. Kids know they're being lied to about the dangers of AAS in the same way weed was claimed to make you insane in the Reefer Madness days. Education is critical in keeping teens off the juice. Unfortunately the majority of adults are just as naive about this topic as anyone else, so anyone that debunks the myths will be considered a radical advocate of their use. I'll leave that martyrdom to someone else thanks.

Welp, time to go hang myself with my belt. The juice has my suicidal tendencies kicking in. Maybe first I'll take out that fucker at 7-11 that overcharged me for a MetRx Bar I bought yesterday? A to the fuckin' K homeboys!!!!

 

[letsrun4it]

I coach high school as well, throwing events, and the steroid talk is quite entertaining. I have a kid who is 6' 250 (so he says...I'd say more like 270) probably 32-34% and he's askin me about getting some pills he can take for a couple of weeks and get stronger.

 

[BigCracker]

I coach high school as well, throwing events, and the steroid talk is quite entertaining. I have a kid who is 6' 250 (so he says...I'd say more like 270) probably 32-34% and he's askin me about getting some pills he can take for a couple of weeks and get stronger.

Gotta love that Gen X pill poppin' mentality. Working for it is just too much like, well, work I guess?

 

[cityhick]

I coach as well. Kids these days are a bunch of whinning pussies. And like you said I stay outta of it when they talk about steroids... to much to risk. Maybe one or two outta a whole team will actully think about dieting. I just talk to em about dieting and telling them to do your research on that.

 

[BigCracker]

I coach as well. Kids these days are a bunch of whinning pussies. And like you said I stay outta of it when they talk about steroids... to much to risk. Maybe one or two outta a whole team will actully think about dieting. I just talk to em about dieting and telling them to do your research on that.

That's actually great alternative advice that they will benefit greatly from. Roids w/o getting the nutritional support that you need is almost as bad as using roids and not working out.

 

[cityhick]

Exactly. And the ones that will look up diet will most likely be the ones that will do the research when they look harder at AS. I would hope so at least. I dont talk to steroids to anyone not even close aquentces. 2 close friends and elite and thats it.

 

[Techbaseball]

I would love to create a nutritional plan for my athletes for the off-season. I'm allowed to run off-season weightraining/conditioning sessions.....but kind of sucks that the diet portion, that is so important, has to be tip toed around.

--Techbaseball

 

[cityhick]

I just have talks at the end of practice eith guys and try to explain the baiscs of nutrition and diet. Whats good/bad and when its good/bad to eat those foods. Just simple basics will go a long way.

 

[big49ersfan]

i wasited until i was 21 to hit the gear even tho i hit the weight room at only 14. if i had the chnace to play to play footbll ina d1 school i would juice evn nowing what it can do to you. im sorry but i would it is the chance of a lifetime and tbh with sensible dosing at 17 or IMO it not goign to be disateruous especially since i stopped growing at 15/16. but that is my opionion.

 

[cityhick]

Although I did lift I was to unstable emotionally at 15/16 hormones are all over the palce. Physically if done right...maybe. but most likely I would say no.

 

[boxerjake]

I coach as well. Kids these days are a bunch of whinning pussies. And like you said I stay outta of it when they talk about steroids... to much to risk. Maybe one or two outta a whole team will actully think about dieting. I just talk to em about dieting and telling them to do your research on that.

Carefull not to lump them all together now .....

This winter i coached a bantam AAA team ( thats hockey ) these kids are 14 to 16 and i'll tell you one thing .... you better be one tough ass motherfucker to step on the ice and drop the gloves with some of my lads .

I had two defenceman that were both well over 6 feet and just shy of 200lbs
who could throw punchs faster then you could see them coming and take them just as well ... These kids don't whine .. they love the taste of blood and don't know the meaning of the word pussy .

Bantam is the level the NHL starts to draft and these kids know it ..

They are also very well versed in the drug subculture and believe winny is there birthright but most are afraid of the joint discomfort . Believe you me for every 10 who don't know anything there are a few who are in the loop .

 

[mrp3652]

Carefull not to lump them all together now .....

This winter i coached a bantam AAA team ( thats hockey ) these kids are 14 to 16 and i'll tell you one thing .... you better be one tough ass motherfucker to step on the ice and drop the gloves with some of my lads .

I had two defenceman that were both well over 6 feet and just shy of 200lbs
who could throw punchs faster then you could see them coming and take them just as well ... These kids don't whine .. they love the taste of blood and don't know the meaning of the word pussy .

Bantam is the level the NHL starts to draft and these kids know it ..

They are also very well versed in the drug subculture and believe winny is there birthright but most are afraid of the joint discomfort . Believe you me for every 10 who don't know anything there are a few who are in the loop .

I'm not too familiar with hockey, but I can't image seeing fists flying at that age group in the US. It would get shut down fast by the American way of bitching, complaining, and sueing.
It's good to hear that some of them actually know a little something about gear too. It must have been from EF.

 

[BigCracker]

Carefull not to lump them all together now .....

This winter i coached a bantam AAA team ( thats hockey ) these kids are 14 to 16 and i'll tell you one thing .... you better be one tough ass motherfucker to step on the ice and drop the gloves with some of my lads .

I had two defenceman that were both well over 6 feet and just shy of 200lbs
who could throw punchs faster then you could see them coming and take them just as well ... These kids don't whine .. they love the taste of blood and don't know the meaning of the word pussy .

Bantam is the level the NHL starts to draft and these kids know it ..

They are also very well versed in the drug subculture and believe winny is there birthright but most are afraid of the joint discomfort . Believe you me for every 10 who don't know anything there are a few who are in the loop .

I think he was talking aboot American kids, not Canadians you hoser.

 

[mrp3652]

I think he was talking aboot American kids, not Canadians you hoser.

What you think America plays hockey? It's all Canada. Sure we'll make most of the money from the NHL but it's exploiting those kind hearted sweet Canadians.

 

[cityhick]

Carefull not to lump them all together now .....

This winter i coached a bantam AAA team ( thats hockey ) these kids are 14 to 16 and i'll tell you one thing .... you better be one tough ass motherfucker to step on the ice and drop the gloves with some of my lads .

I had two defenceman that were both well over 6 feet and just shy of 200lbs
who could throw punchs faster then you could see them coming and take them just as well ... These kids don't whine .. they love the taste of blood and don't know the meaning of the word pussy .

Bantam is the level the NHL starts to draft and these kids know it ..

They are also very well versed in the drug subculture and believe winny is there birthright but most are afraid of the joint discomfort . Believe you me for every 10 who don't know anything there are a few who are in the loop .

Thats my point.

 

[boxerjake]

My boys are 100% canadian ....

Most of them are rural ( farm kids ) so there pretty hardy lads

Hockey and fighting go hand in hand .. i don't know another sport besides boxing that see's as many fist flying .

Shit this year we had 2 bench clearings ( the whole team out fighting ) and one breakout in the crowd that saw a few dads off to hospital getting stitched up . We had an away game that needed a police escort to get us out of town !!

Hormones at this age group are frickin nasty !!

Yet off the ice these guys get in no trouble and are quite as church mice " yet " as soon as you lace up the skates they go mental .

It's a ton of fun for me as a coach ... i wind them up .. and let em loose !!

 

[mrp3652]

My boys are 100% canadian ....

Most of them are rural ( farm kids ) so there pretty hardy lads

Hockey and fighting go hand in hand .. i don't know another sport besides boxing that see's as many fist flying .

Shit this year we had 2 bench clearings ( the whole team out fighting ) and one breakout in the crowd that saw a few dads off to hospital getting stitched up . We had an away game that needed a police escort to get us out of town !!

Hormones at this age group are frickin nasty !!

Yet off the ice these guys get in no trouble and are quite as church mice " yet " as soon as you lace up the skates they go mental .

It's a ton of fun for me as a coach ... i wind them up .. and let em loose !!

Clear evidence that something is being done very differently up their compared to down here. And BigCracker, I can't believe you doubted my abilities, tisk tisk.

 

[cityhick]

Its not america. Its the parents that let their kids play video games all day. Eat Mc Ds and BK 3 times a day. And never even try to get them envolved with sports. Thier work ethic therfore sucks. haha... Canadian guys in windsor... they do like to talk a lot of shit about america...and thats not something I like to hear. I think its how you were brought up and your natrual agression/demeanor that makes you a good fighter. Not where you are from. I aint the biggest but I will never back down.

 

[boxerjake]

Canadian guys in windsor... they do like to talk a lot of shit about america...and thats not something I like to hear. I think its how you were brought up and your natrual agression/demeanor that makes you a good fighter.


I've never been to windsor but i would equate it to the mentality of any large city ..

Lucky for me i live out west where the air is clean and you can drive 3 hours without hitting a tim hortons or mcdonalds ... my kids play outside without supervision ... my keys stay in the ignition of my vehicles and i don't lock my doors at night , my kids don't watch " network television " and i take an intrest in there lives .

Not everyplace on this planet looks like a MTV video shot in the getto of L.A late at night .. i'm fortunate enough to live in a place where community spirit is more then just a word and when someone stops and asks " how are you doing " they actually want to stick around and hear your answer .

I for one have nothing against the USA or it's people .. but i do beleive the good ones need to work ten times as hard to show through considering your massive population and the over sensationalism bread into the media pertaining to anything negative .


As for being a good scrapper .... For the most part good fighters are no different then most elite athletes , there born with it . I fought amatuer and semi pro for 10 years and some of the guys i went against made it seem effortless compared to the energy i was expending trying to break down there defences ...

Just like some guys are born with the genetics for bodybuilding and some of us can tread water in the gym for a lifetime and never see much change .. it's almost a birthright

 

[cityhick]

Well siad my friends. Although I do live in detroit My heart lives in the woods. Thats what makes michigan a great state. From Where I live i can drive 15 min east and be at St. Clair and have some of the best ice fishing/fresh water fishing in the world. Every 2 miles there is some type of open water. I can drive south and be in Canada/downtown and party in the city with a lot of people. And I can drive 45 min north and be somewhat rural. And of course always go up to Manistee for REAL rural.

Thinkin about getting into boxing then MMA..... i have been watching the shit sense I was like 8 and always dreamed of kicking some ass in front of a crowd... must be a rush. Kinda like wrestling 1 on 1 and its all bout you. And yes I have seen some scroney lanky and fat guys that make me look like a bitch on the mat. Dont know how...just did.

 

[boxerjake]

A little secret i learned years ago was the guys who were super super competitive were often the ones who moved away from team sports and into something like weightlifting bodybuilding or a martial art ( including boxing ) because they could'nt stand being let down by a team considering there own effort was always 100% and most often above the crowd .

Gives you somewhat of an insight into the mind of a bodybuilder and why they choose the sport they do

 

[not quite ripe]

dear all- im a junior in HS. play ftbl. my coaches did roids when they were in HS. i can see the long term sides in them;-height mostly. they know that some of us juice,(sust and winn mostly) they pretend they dont know. never talk to us; or give advice. we simply dont bring the subject to attention. to get the stuff you have to prove your worth to the team. you have to be a hard ass, demand; from others and yourself. we know the contract we signed when we decide to shoot. we tell each other when to lay off. our brotherhood keeps us in check. i did my research before i decided, thought long and hard on the morality. i chose to because it is worth it- i set a goal. some ppl i know are constantly competing. i compete with myself, i dont care if KGKUHYU is bigger or stronger. i train for ME and for MY TEAM. i see the pot heads and the weasers in my school and know that i am better them them. they call us gearheads; we make a reality. they simply try to escape reality.

dont be satisfied with your best

 

[mrp3652]

they call us gearheads; we make a reality. they simply try to escape reality.
dont be satisfied with your best

not quite ripe:
First off all of your team is WAY TOO YOUNG to be using steroids. At that age you have high test levels already, making no need for them, much less I'm willing to bet your diet isn't in check and you don't have a really good base. All of you have now potentially damaged your possible football careers by stunting your growth, it can continue into your early 20's(take the florida basketball player Noah, a sophomore in college, who it's stated has grow I think they said at least 2 more inches, and he was already at least 6'4 when that spur hit), which is important in football.
The coaches that turn their heads are probably just idiotic about this but the legal issues also come up when a coach talks to a student about roids, still should find a way to stop the whole thing.
You guys need to not look out for just someone overdoing it, you need to stop each other from using steroids at all until you have come much closer to your natural limits.

 

[big49ersfan]

mrp i not condoning th euse of roids in kids at all but tbh if a junior or senior (im tkaing they are the last 2 years of highschool im british so we have different terms for years) has the chance to make a D1 school with a scholarship then at the end he has to make a decsion edn of a very very tuff just saying no dont take will hinder there cahnced of making it.

we need more poepl who juiced earlry to come out say so and say the problems or not problems they have now. cos as mentioned height is about the only problem that i know of of using gear to ealry that and controlling aggression. all other side as far as i am awarte and correct me if i am wrong are the same as with adult users.

 

[mrp3652]

mrp i not condoning th euse of roids in kids at all but tbh if a junior or senior (im tkaing they are the last 2 years of highschool im british so we have different terms for years) has the chance to make a D1 school with a scholarship then at the end he has to make a decsion edn of a very very tuff just saying no dont take will hinder there cahnced of making it.

we need more poepl who juiced earlry to come out say so and say the problems or not problems they have now. cos as mentioned height is about the only problem that i know of of using gear to ealry that and controlling aggression. all other side as far as i am awarte and correct me if i am wrong are the same as with adult users.

Good points but people should not take steroids before their bodies and minds are ready for them. With an excellent base built by a perfect diet/workout routine over a period of time your body is better prepared to adapt to the additional mass and strength and more likely to maintain these gains through PCT and more hitting it hard in the gym while eating perfect.

High school kids have enough test and gh running in them that if used correctly with that diet/workout routine they can gain cycle-like gains naturally. This takes time though, which high schoolers don't like hearing, so they start out on insufficient bases which can't support the gains(gains not as good as compiled with the diet/workout) and thus become another step behind those who took the time to build their base.

When it comes down to football, they can make enough natural gains while building their base to at least make it somewhere decent by the time that in required(talent and skill in the game being their for the kid too). After a couple years at the college, the kid with the natty gains due to his base can then consider steroid use to further his already great potential.

Overall it makes more sense and can be done but not by people without the commitment. It's not a little trip, it's a long journey.

 

[BigCracker]

Juicing so young teaches guys to rely on the drugs, not training and diet which will fuck them in the long run. Over my 20+ yrs in the gym I can count on one hand how many guys under the age of 19 that actually knew how to eat and train (sort of)and possessed the discipline to follow through with it.

I know that if I was a teen and I wanted to consume 200 grams of protien a day my parents would've never allowed it because they would've gone broke feeding me. So even if I wanted to do it right I wouldn't have been able to.

Also relying on your bros to keep you in check is like the blind leading the blind. Keep in mind I'm not one of your lard ass coaches still trying to relive his glory days. I'm mid 30's, one of the biggest/strongest guys in my state, and people still ask me if I compete all of the time. So I'm not some washed up, beer bellied , alcoholic, has been telling you to do as I say and not as I do. By using roids at such a young age you're selling your genetic potential short. And if you're using college as an excuse, you might wanna think about this. A college education is great. However it's no guarantee of success in life. 20-30 yrs ago it may have been different, but these days having a BS is nothing special. Sure, you could go to school another 4 yrs and become a Dr or Lawyer, but when you graduate you'll have a monthly student loan payment that rivals a monthly home mortgage in amount. You'll also probably work 60-80 hrs a week at your own practice-leaving little time for dieting/training. If you get married/have kids you'll have even less time. This kind of lifestyle will age you quickly, and once you no longer have your youth you may truly wonder why you chose the path in life that you did-and by then it will be too late to change it. So before you make irreversible decisions about using AAS so young, try to see the big picture. What do you want your day to day life as an adult to be like? If you wanna join the rat race and die of a stress/diet related heart attack at age 45 go for it. Success to me is measured by comfort, health, and happiness, not how much frivolus material shit you have or how much $$$ is in your bank account. Why have all of these nice things if you never have time to enjoy them? It's not like you can take these things with you when you die.

 

[big49ersfan]

fair point

but all im syaing is yes you should as a high school kid wait until the last opportunity to juice hopefully it i snever unboubtble it will eb at some point whetehr after an injury or trying to make an nfl team or get a scholarship the opurtinity will rear its ugly head.

baring this in mind is a 17/18 year old kid has the change to make a scholarship which means they get educated for free and i know how much you yanks poay for education. but he has to put on 20lbs or something then juice is an option he could and probablyw ill consider. we here in these situations need to put preducdice aside i.e. no kids on gear etc and all that and look at the case and actaully trya na dput the safest possible cycle together for him to minisie the damage it may due. this isnt th eideal situaton but nay stretch but tbh nor is not goign to college or missing out a pro-contract cos you are too small or weak.

 

[mrp3652]

fair point

but all im syaing is yes you should as a high school kid wait until the last opportunity to juice hopefully it i snever unboubtble it will eb at some point whetehr after an injury or trying to make an nfl team or get a scholarship the opurtinity will rear its ugly head.

baring this in mind is a 17/18 year old kid has the change to make a scholarship which means they get educated for free and i know how much you yanks poay for education. but he has to put on 20lbs or something then juice is an option he could and probablyw ill consider. we here in these situations need to put preducdice aside i.e. no kids on gear etc and all that and look at the case and actaully trya na dput the safest possible cycle together for him to minisie the damage it may due. this isnt th eideal situaton but nay stretch but tbh nor is not goign to college or missing out a pro-contract cos you are too small or weak.

To quote myself from my last post:

"When it comes down to football, they can make enough natural gains while building their base to at least make it somewhere decent by the time that in required(talent and skill in the game being their for the kid too). After a couple years at the college, the kid with the natty gains due to his base can then consider steroid use to further his already great potential."

Enough size to survive the college stardard can be made with an executed proper diet and a good workout plan for a period of the 4 years of high school. There is plenty of test and gh there for the taking being made in the body naturally which increases with the good diet and workout.

Needing to take steroids to achieve the size of some at college size is totally incorrect unless there are horrible genes involved, which can still be worked upon more that they think. And if you had horrible genes to begin with then you just weren't breed for football.

 

[southpaw45]

What would you do if your son had the potential to be a great athlete and really go some where. We'll say he's a junior(17). You have him on the best possible training and diet program for his age. He can't possible pack on another pound of muscle. Another guy on your son's team has the same skills and potential as your son but is using aas to put him over the edge. This guy has a good diet and training program also, and he is now 20lbs heavier and almost twice as strong as your kid. The pro scouts and colleges are calling him throwing big scholarships at the juice kid because is just so far ahead of everyone else.

Would you let your son juice then?

 

[steelmass]

lol, creatine dbol mix or what? What's sad is I know many people that juiced in HS and they are now at D1 colleges or in the minor leagues.

Ya thats real sad considering they'd never have gotten a college education otherwise... If its their only way out of the ghetto/trailerpark then DO IT!

 

[cityhick]

Size is important in football but not near as important as everyone thinks. I was a very under developed 17 year old and started D end in a top 5 nationally ranked high school. I was 5'8'' a 180 lbs of not that much muscle. I was the smallest starting lineman in our division. I worked my ass off and never took AS. Plus most 16-21 year olds drink plenty and dont have the disipline for it. I admit I get off track sometimes but I am not going to start AS till I know I am locked down on my diet. It will be soon but im not rushing it or going into it prematurely. Shit I am only 19.

 

[steelmass]

To quote myself from my last post:

"When it comes down to football, they can make enough natural gains while building their base to at least make it somewhere decent by the time that in required(talent and skill in the game being their for the kid too). After a couple years at the college, the kid with the natty gains due to his base can then consider steroid use to further his already great potential."

Enough size to survive the college stardard can be made with an executed proper diet and a good workout plan for a period of the 4 years of high school. There is plenty of test and gh there for the taking being made in the body naturally which increases with the good diet and workout.

Needing to take steroids to achieve the size of some at college size is totally incorrect unless there are horrible genes involved, which can still be worked upon more that they think. And if you had horrible genes to begin with then you just weren't breed for football.

You have to be kidding me bro - Our middle linebacker (D1 powerhouse) came in as a freshman at 245, our outside linebacker ran a 4.5 at 225 prolly legit 6-7%BF, WE RECRUITED 3 TACKLES OVER 300 LBS - one I saw bench 490 @ 18.

All of these kids were juiced, no doubt about it. No kid has a sixpack at 6'2 245 without roids @ 19-20.

How do you expect people to compete without juice. You'd have to be a genetic freak to get recruited by a top program without juice, either that or play WR, DB or a pure speed/skill position. And some of these 18-20 year olds are on the verge, they juice and get a college education OR they don't and miss out and sell rock the rest of their life.. at best they become garbage men. Get real bro.

 

[mrp3652]

What would you do if your son had the potential to be a great athlete and really go some where. We'll say he's a junior(17). You have him on the best possible training and diet program for his age. He can't possible pack on another pound of muscle. Another guy on your son's team has the same skills and potential as your son but is using aas to put him over the edge. This guy has a good diet and training program also, and he is now 20lbs heavier and almost twice as strong as your kid. The pro scouts and colleges are calling him throwing big scholarships at the juice kid because is just so far ahead of everyone else.

Would you let your son juice then?

There shouldn't be the brick wall you are talking about for anyone around 17 yeards old. Too much natural test in the body. Also varying routines may help. But if this brick wall hits then my kid should either be freaking huge or doesn't have the genes to cut it in football.

No need to ever put a 17 year old on juice whether at genetic potential or not. I just don't think it's possible to get to that genetic potential until at least 23.

 

[steelmass]

Colleges recruit frame and speed anyways. We recruited ( a top 100 recruit ) linebacker this year that runs a 4.4 @ 6'2" 175. They see his frame and know they can juice him. Its all about potential - you either have it or you don't. HOWEVER - HGH would be more important than anything to lineman/undersized athletes.

 

[cityhick]

At 17 YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. PERIOD! You dont know shit about life. You most likely havent worked a full time job. You never had a serious relationship. And most likely drink heavy smoke pot and dont do shit. Fucking forget about just health consequences.. you are mentally unstable. And I never have seen a 17 year old that has been at a platue that he could not break with a good diet and routine.

 

[mrp3652]

Steelmass:
A kid natty could get near that 6'2 245, it would just take more time obviously. It is unfortunate the time in their lives that they have to expect to be at that football size. If it were age 24 then the natty until 22or23 would be at least the same size unless genetics.
I still would not suggest my kid or others to take anything til at least 22.

 

[steelmass]

mrp3652: You entirely missed my point. An 18-19 year old could not look like that. There are no 24 year old college freshmen/highschool seniors.

YOU DO NOT GET RECRUITED AT 24!

 

[steelmass]

On another note: These kids shouldn't even be called college athletes. None of them are college-kids. They would never have gotten into college, they don't go to class ( Im friends with the football team ), they are not college kids - its a crock to even think so. Sure there are the exceptions that don't have the pie in the sky delusions that they are going to "The League" - but just think if all teams were made up of these kinds of kids - kids with half a brain. Kids that had to get above a 1250 and a 3.0 not a fucking 800 SAT Score with a 2.2. Shit i'd be starting middle linebacker right now...

 

[mrp3652]

mrp3652: You entirely missed my point. An 18-19 year old could not look like that. There are no 24 year old college freshmen/highschool seniors.

YOU DO NOT GET RECRUITED AT 24!

I know about recruitment age. That 19 year old at 6'2' 245 has great genetics, is on key with diet and shit, and using something. I still wouldn't suggest the use at that age or younger though.

 

[cityhick]

But colleges see potential and work ethic in a player. Not just size.And bro my buddy was 63'' 270 full back that ran a 4.4 at 18. He had a beard in junior high. All state.

 

[steelmass]

No shit there are the freaks but my point is the "above-average" stud that isn't an allout freak NEEDS JUICE!

ps- my freshman year I roomed with a kid that was top 5 recruits in the nation 240lb fullback ran a 4.4 - he hardly worked out - but hes one in a million bro.

 

[steelmass]

btw fuck it - he doesn't juice - neither do I. Lookup - . Hes a fucking freak - barely works out and is an animal. #1 fullback recruit in nation. but this is all besides the point. For some kids juice is the only answer - besides selling crack.

 

[mrp3652]

The thing with this discussion is only so much size is needed(you can't solely rely on it), it will come down to talent in the end. Close enough size to the huge guys can be made natural so when talent is in order they can stick around and play.

 

[cityhick]

If you need juice to prove to a college that you are worth thier time then you arnt good enough period. Even if you are massive you wont get a scholarship if your a gumpy/slow/dumb fuck. Recruits look at talent/work ethic/ strength/size. And from 17-19 anyone that worked hard enough with diet and routine would be able to be at least acceptable WITHOUT JUICE. 2 years of harcore training and practice with talent will get you where you need to go. The problem is is HIGH SCHOOL KIDS DONT HAVE THE DISIPLINE OR MATURE ENOUGH MIND TO HANDEL AS.

 

[steelmass]

If you need juice to prove to a college that you are worth thier time then you arnt good enough period. Even if you are massive you wont get a scholarship if your a gumpy/slow/dumb fuck. Recruits look at talent/work ethic/ strength/size. And from 17-19 anyone that worked hard enough with diet and routine would be able to be at least acceptable WITHOUT JUICE. 2 years of harcore training and practice with talent will get you where you need to go. The problem is is HIGH SCHOOL KIDS DONT HAVE THE DISIPLINE OR MATURE ENOUGH MIND TO HANDEL AS.

Too bad i've seen atleast 10 kids do it and their lives are muuuuuch better for it...

PS - nice playin devils advocate with you guys - im out - gotta pickup the female - peace - k to you.

 

[cityhick]

But there is a good chance with hard work that they could have got it natty! Its just the fact that no high school kid will just not go to parties. drink. smoke. eat right. not get all wrapped up with a bitch. the list goes forever. They could but they could get there a shorter way without steroids and thats your point and I understand. But its not impossible.

 

[mrp3652]

Too bad i've seen atleast 10 kids do it and their lives are muuuuuch better for it...

PS - nice playin devils advocate with you guys - im out - gotta pickup the female - peace - k to you.

It is bad seeing the deserving natty harder working kid get second out to the bigger juiced less work ethic kid. Still doesn't reason steroids at that age. There are only so many people that make it to the NFL anyway.

Thank's for the devils advocate but I you made me feel like I was doing cardio writing up responses to yours so fast and hard to answer since the devil's side does have advantages at times which you've showed.

K to you after "You have given out too much Karma in the last 24 hours, try again later" is up. My unplat slutty handing out K is too much I guess.

 

[Techbaseball]

Hard topic to side for me. As a coach/adult/role model of course I would never want to see any HS athletes juice. Knowledge on lifting, diet, and sleep will produce nice size for that age.

Ok... now here's my contradiction. If I was to do it all over again. I would of done steroids in college. I got a scholarship to play baseball being all natural. I had the skills to start as a freshman.... but ended up graduating from college at 6'0.. 175lbs. My bench max was around 225! I had a great 4 years... but was never looked at seriously by scouts. I really believe if I was 200+ lbs I would of put up bigger and better stats.



--Techbaseball

 

[cityhick]

key word in there is college. Whole different story. Shit I am just about to start my first. I am only 19 but have been matured by fast lifestyle real young. I would prob have done it in HS but I wouldnt have known a difference because even though a good athlete I was a average jock. Drank constantly, smoked plenty of pot, and never thought anything about a diet. And When I would diet it was simply not drinkin water for a day while sitting in sauna's and running to make weight for a match on saturday. lol. thats whay high school tought me.