HRT for 21 y/o?

[muscleup]

Well it's good that you have a good Doctor. The downside to HRT imo is 1 weekly shot, Decreased Sperm count which you and I seem to already have anways...and you need to keep an eye on your adrenal/Thyroid function as well. Other than I can't really think of anymore.

Again I'm 34 and just took this option a couple years ago{My condition causes testicular failure}. I knew it would eventually have to happen anyways. Listen to your Dr. and see what he thinks is best....However if I had to choose between Clomid ED or Injectale Testosterone once per week then obviously the later is a much better option.

the only genetic thing i have is a y chromosome deletion which causes me to have low sperm but they say it shouldnt affect test levels. i had been doing clomid and hcg for months at a time and my levels did get up and stay up until i dropped the pills and then they came crashing down. the doc asked if i wanted to stay on the clomid indefinitely and i said no cuz it also made me feel like shit. i dont think i ever really had normal bloods....i can remember a blood test when i was younger where my test levels were in the low end of normal and now im in the 800s and thats even with more test than the doc thought i was on...i woulda thought it woulda broke through the 1000 mark. im putting on a decent amount of weight now but i just dont wanna really fuck myself up more. if i really need the hrt, what could be the downside of being on for life with periodic cycles throughout? the doc is pretty liberal too so they actually listen to how i feel and what i think.

 

[liftr486]

heres some crazy shit....just got bloods back today from last week and my test levels are 194 on a range of like 200-900 and i was taking a little over 100mg/week plus 1000iu hcg/week....theyre gonna bump it up to 200mg test e/week now and see how that goes. and ill do 500iu 2xweek hcg. this really sucks...i thought it would be higher, its unbelievable!

 

[muscleup]

Sound to me like you may have some sort of pre-existing factor.

 

[liftr486]

Sound to me like you may have some sort of pre-existing factor.

Wat condition could cause this? I would think the dr woulda mentioned something if they thought something was seriously wrong...

 

[muscleup]

start researching the missing y chromosome see if it links to any of these symptoms at any point in life.

Sometime Dr's are as in the dark about whats going on as you are.

 

[liftr486]

i looked it up but i didnt see anything related to testosterone levels--only sperm count. im completely confused as to how i could only have 194 with me shooting 100mg test ew plus hcg???!!

 

[10001110101]

i looked it up but i didnt see anything related to testosterone levels--only sperm count. im completely confused as to how i could only have 194 with me shooting 100mg test ew plus hcg???!!

dude i'm gonna be honest a lot of stuff you mention in this thread doesn't add up.

also it seems to me the y chromo deletion would be the cause of all this, not necessarily your 13 month cycle at 16 (although it wouldn't be surprising if this was the cause) if it affects sperm production it could very easily be a problem with lh/fsh which produce test and sperm both of which are low in your situation. i agree w/above poster, docs are busy and sometimes dont make the right connections, they don't really treat individuals and try to "figure out" what's wrong, generally they run tests and respond the way they've been taught.

in a normal situation, one in which you had normal range test levels, even mediocre levels would be boosted easily to 900-1000+ w/ 100mg clomid therapy, so the fact that they are 600 on anti-e's is indicative of low test.

this is an interesting poitn because often people will have blood work done during pct while some anti-e is still in their system and so thye find out they have 600ng/dl while on 50mg clomid, which in reality means they are still hypogonadal and the test levels will drop as soon as the clomid is out of the system.

 

[liftr486]

it doesnt make any sense to me either....

i dont understand how i only have 194 test levels if im taking 100mg test e every week--is that even possible?

 

[artificialaspirations]

if your test is fake it is possible

 

[liftr486]

well i know the test isnt fake bc its prescribed and from the pharmacy...

...maybe there was a typo in the blood test? idk..im goin to c another doc tomorrow, we'll c wat happens--im so sick of this crap.