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How would you handle this? Question of responsibility

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So person A B C D are all sitting at a table.

Person A and B are fucking around with Person C, verbally abusing him, getting him riled up. Person A and B move towards person C threatening to smack him for talking back.

Person B ends up smacking person C on the back of the head, not a punch, a grazing slap that had a sting to it.

Person C retaliates against person A, he didn't know who smacked his head, so he swings on person A catches him in the eye.

Person A gets pissed, claimed he didn't slap person C.

Person C realizes that person B delivered the slap, and throws his beer on person B.

Person B is HOLDING Person D's digital Camera which gets soaked with beer.

Person D now wants their camera replaced.

Who should be financially responsible?
 
easy, person B.
they took responsibillity for the camera by agreeing to hold onto it.
or, in a more classless uncivil world, person D can eat a bag of dicks.
don't go loaning your camera out, shoulda known that, now get pwned
 
Person A....for allowing Person B to smack Person C..even if was a joke.

Person Gotmilk caught a finger in the eye the other day and clamped Person's throat telling Person not to ever poke Gotmilk in the eye again. I have a black eye and fuzzy vision from some douchbag fooling around.
 
gotmilk said:
Person A....for allowing Person B to smack Person C..even if was a joke.

Person Gotmilk caught a finger in the eye the other day and clamped Person's throat telling Person not to ever poke Gotmilk in the eye again. I have a black eye and fuzzy vision from some douchbag fooling around.
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guttdamn whippersnappers with their hippity-hop and rollerskate boards!!!
 
So the person who actually threw the beer doesn't have any responsibility for the damage it caused, I just want to make sure that is clear before I tell him to eat a dick!
 
I think owner of camera is shit out of luck because there is no legally binding agreement that states responsibility on anyone except owner to replace said camera. i.e. be responsible for your own shit and leave when people start getting stupid.
 
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D shouldn't have given his camera to dumbass B. Owner is responsible.
 
It's unknown how person B came into possesion of said camera? That's a potentially important detail.

Person C ruined the camera. It's his fault.

Person B should accept some responsibility as well and split it with person C.

Person A should pitch in something too, but not as much as B.

Tell me how B got the camera from D.

Your fat and ur pussy stinks. Yeah U.
 
Whoever the dumbass camera owner who thought it was a good idea to have at a table with a bunch of drinks and a bunch of people drinking.

Person: camera owner, should suck it up for being a dumbass. It was his camera no other person had any responsibility for it but him.
 
^^^


What?


People bring cameras out to dining events all the time.

A reasonable person wouldn't forsee an event that would destroy there camera when going out for some food and drinks.

It was the unreasonable fighting that caused the damage.
 
jh1 said:
^^^


What?


People bring cameras out to dining events all the time.

A reasonable person wouldn't forsee an event that would destroy there camera when going out for some food and drinks.

It was the unreasonable fighting that caused the damage.
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What?

The responsibility rests with the owner period. A reasonable person would accept that something may happen at such an event and realize the camera is his responsibility? Are you fucking kidding me jh?


Edit: Let me clarify, I go to a bar with some friends, we sit down I put my camera on the table, ask my friend to watch it then excuse myself to the bathroom. Two guys get into it near the bar, slam into our table, drinks are spilled on the camera.
are the two guys responsible? is the guy I asked to watch my camera responsible? are the people's whose drinks were spilled on my camera responsible?

Shit happens, I am responsible. It is my camera. period.
 
mountain muscle said:
What?

The responsibility rests with the owner period. A reasonable person would accept that something may happen at such an event and realize the camera is his responsibility? Are you fucking kidding me jh?
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Nah I am not kidding. He wasn't party to the horseplay.

Those jackasses ruined his camera.
 
Shit happens. There was no intention to mess up the camera and there's no legally binding anything that places the responsibility in an enforceable way on anyone, further there was really no negligence on the holding person's part either. So its just tough shit. Shit happens. Plan ahead and don't hang around w/ people who are dumb enough to start a fight at a table w/ beer.
 
Here is how I see it.

Letter of the law, Camera owner D has no recourse.

BUT
we're all friends, it was NOT his fault.

Person C Chose to throw the beer, conscious decision, his actions led to the damage. he is responsible.

BUT

Person B provoked person C, so in the interest of friendship, they should share responsibility.

Persona A, I have a tough time assigning blame to, horseplay goes on all the time where no damage occurs, I guess the same logic could be used for person B.
 
Sassy69 said:
Person C is the only one who executed an attempted assault w/ beer.
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true, i think all the people involved think he should take full responsibility for any damages as a result.
 
Lestat said:
true, i think all the people involved think he should take full responsibility for any damages as a result.
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No he was defending himself against 2 asswipes ganging up on him.

The only responsibility is the owner for his camera.

And person b is the only one who assaulted anyone.
 
mountain muscle said:
No he was defending himself against 2 asswipes ganging up on him.

The only responsibility is the owner for his camera.

And person b is the only one who assaulted anyone.
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lol @ defending by throwing a beer!

had he manned up and just punched person B in the face this wouldn't be an issue!
 
Lestat said:
lol @ defending by throwing a beer!

had he manned up and just punched person B in the face this wouldn't be an issue!
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LOL at manned up against 2 people while bitching about a fucking camera!

The owner should man up and be pissed at the punks having to team up on one guy.

And a slap to the back of the head? lmao.
 
mountain muscle said:
LOL at manned up against 2 people while bitching about a fucking camera!

The owner should man up and be pissed at the punks having to team up on one guy.

And a slap to the back of the head? lmao.
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so instead of throwin a beer, if the guy would have pulled a knife and stabbed person B, would that be ok too?
 
Lestat said:
so instead of throwin a beer, if the guy would have pulled a knife and stabbed person B, would that be ok too?
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You tell me, you said if he would have "manned up" it wouldn't be an issue?

Did the owner ever man up? or is he just a punk backing two wannabe bullies?
 
mountain muscle said:
You tell me, you said if he would have "manned up" it wouldn't be an issue?

Did the owner ever man up? or is he just a punk backing two wannabe bullies?
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the owner of the camera was neutral as part of the fight, he was there with his wife and two children not paying attention much to 3 grown ass men acting a fool.

Next thing he knows his camera is being handed back to him soaking wet with beer.

I am curious, instead of throwing the beer, lets say person C would have grab the camrea from person B's hand and smashed it or thrown it, still the owners fault?
 
As soon as the horseplay begun, the camera should have been returned to the owner. Respect for another man's property is a basic tenet of our society.
 
Lestat said:
the owner of the camera was neutral as part of the fight, he was there with his wife and two children not paying attention much to 3 grown ass men acting a fool.

Next thing he knows his camera is being handed back to him soaking wet with beer.

I am curious, instead of throwing the beer, lets say person C would have grab the camrea from person B's hand and smashed it or thrown it, still the owners fault?
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The only person that had responsibility for the camera was the owner. period

Which one were you then, if not the camera owner? I am guessing one of the punks teaming up on one guy, probably the one who smacked him.
 
redguru said:
As soon as the horseplay begun, the camera should have been returned to the owner. Respect for another man's property is a basic tenet of our society.
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here is exactly how the sequence went down.

Person B picked up the camera after delivering the smack to person C. Was looking threw it while person B said "I should throw my beer on him" ... and then did.
 
KickNitRight said:
Which one has the best lawyer? lol
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lol exactly.

I wonder what an arbitrator would rule in this case.
 
Lestat said:
here is exactly how the sequence went down.

Person B picked up the camera after delivering the smack to person C. Was looking threw it while person B said "I should throw my beer on him" ... and then did.
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Then he is a fool ad should pay. He started shit then grabbed the camera, still is the owner's fault for not grabbing it and watching his shit anyway. But since B started shit then grabbed the camera.
Make his ass pay. Next time tell the story.
 
mountain muscle said:
Then he is a fool ad should pay. He started shit then grabbed the camera, still is the owner's fault for not grabbing it and watching his shit anyway. But since B started shit then grabbed the camera.
Make his ass pay. Next time tell the story.
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the story is, one person threw a beer on someone and damaged someone else's camera in the process.

We could retrace steps back through the entire day if needed, but I don't think it changes anything.

Utlimately the person who threw the beer rightly replaced the camera, he was the only one who lost composure in the group, everyone else was fucking around, the head slap was a bit much, but that doesn't give anyone excuse to damage property, period.
 
Lestat said:
Here is how I see it.

Letter of the law, Camera owner D has no recourse.

BUT
we're all friends, it was NOT his fault.

Person C Chose to throw the beer, conscious decision, his actions led to the damage. he is responsible.

BUT

Person B provoked person C, so in the interest of friendship, they should share responsibility.

Persona A, I have a tough time assigning blame to, horseplay goes on all the time where no damage occurs, I guess the same logic could be used for person B.
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Repost.
 
Throwing a beer isn't defense under any circumstances... errrr...

wait.. unless your soaked in gasoline and someone is threatening you with a match.

Then yes, it's a defense.


Lestat - was B threatening a gasoline soaked C with a match?
 
jh1 said:
Throwing a beer isn't defense under any circumstances... errrr...

wait.. unless your soaked in gasoline and someone is threatening you with a match.

Then yes, it's a defense.


Lestat - was B threatening a gasoline soaked C with a match?
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lol no, it was out of frustration of getting smacked upside the head
 
Lestat said:
the story is, one person threw a beer on someone and damaged someone else's camera in the process.

We could retrace steps back through the entire day if needed, but I don't think it changes anything.

Utlimately the person who threw the beer rightly replaced the camera, he was the only one who lost composure in the group, everyone else was fucking around, the head slap was a bit much, but that doesn't give anyone excuse to damage property, period.
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I hope he told all of you that you are delusional, the others forced him into defending himself and b is especially at fault for hitting him then grabbing the camera. I guess he just should have hit the bitch that slapped him. Of course then, he would be responsible for the bitch bleeding all over the camera he grabbed and ruined it? Whatever your part is in this you should feel ashamed and ignorant.

Confederacy of Dunces in SD I guess.


Yeah, he lost his composure after getting hit in the head by throwing a beer. The law woul say he restrained himself and the idiot fucktard who hit him is responsible. I would love to meet all the asstards you brought up.
 
Lestat said:
So person A B C D are all sitting at a table.

Person A and B are fucking around with Person C, verbally abusing him, getting him riled up. Person A and B move towards person C threatening to smack him for talking back.

Person B ends up smacking person C on the back of the head, not a punch, a grazing slap that had a sting to it.

Person C retaliates against person A, he didn't know who smacked his head, so he swings on person A catches him in the eye.

Person A gets pissed, claimed he didn't slap person C.

Person C realizes that person B delivered the slap, and throws his beer on person B.

Person B is HOLDING Person D's digital Camera which gets soaked with beer.

Person D now wants their camera replaced.

Who should be financially responsible?
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From a legal standpoint:

A and B committed assault. The destruction of the camera was proximately caused by their conduct. Thus, they are liable for the camera.

B is also liable for battery. And the destruction of the camera was proximately caused by his conduct so this reinforces he is liable.

BUT...

C retaliated against B and A. C's only defense could be self-defense which may apply to him hitting A in the eye but most likely this defense would not be upheld. Furthermore, the throwing of the beer by C was retaliatory and subsequently there would not be any defense he could raise. Additionally, C's conduct was the actual and proximate cause of the damage to the camera. Furthermore, his conduct was a supervening event which would cut-off A and B's liability.

In sum, C is liable for the damage to the camera.
 
mountain muscle said:
I hope he told all of you that you are delusional, the others forced him into defending himself and b is especially at fault for hitting him then grabbing the camera. I guess he just should have hit the bitch that slapped him. Of course then, he would be responsible for the bitch bleeding all over the camera he grabbed and ruined it? Whatever your part is in this you should feel ashamed and ignorant.

Confederacy of Dunces in SD I guess.
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It was found that his actions were pre meditated, un warrented (as was the slap that hit him, but two wrongs don't equal a right) and only a fool would throw a beer on someone holding a camera unless they intended to damage the camera.
 
Lestat said:
It was found that his actions were pre meditated, un warrented (as was the slap that hit him, but two wrongs don't equal a right) and only a fool would throw a beer on someone holding a camera unless they intended to damage the camera.
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Whether or not he intended to damage the camera is not an issue. The issue is whether he intended to dump beer on the other person. He intended to do that, thus he should be liable for all damages that foreseeably arise from his conduct.

For example if he started to pour the beer but the glass slipped and smacked the other person in the eye and they lost their eye there isn't a court in this nation that wouldn't hold that person responsible for their conduct. People need to recognize their conduct can have unintended consequences and that they will be, and should be, held accountable. :heart:
 
justinjones1963 said:
Whether or not he intended to damage the camera is not an issue. The issue is whether he intended to dump beer on the other person. He intended to do that, thus he should be liable for all damages that foreseeably arise from his conduct.

For example if he started to pour the beer but the glass slipped and smacked the other person in the eye and they lost their eye there isn't a court in this nation that wouldn't hold that person responsible for their conduct. People need to recognize their conduct can have unintended consequences and that they will be, and should be, held accountable. :heart:
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Then by that reasoning, the person who slapped him first should be liable.

By all accounts if men were involved, it wouldn't be beinf=g discussed on a chat board. this shit is laughable.
 
mountain muscle said:
Then by that reasoning, the person who slapped him first should be liable.
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Nope. Slapping a person does not justify retaliation. Self-defense is permitted. For example if they blocked the slap with the beer and the beer accidentally poured on the camera they would have been fine but waiting and then retaliating against the person is not self-defense.
 
mountain muscle said:
Then by that reasoning, the person who slapped him first should be liable.

By all accounts if men were involved, it wouldn't be beinf=g discussed on a chat board. this shit is laughable.
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A beer being consciously thrown by person C in response to a slap from person B does not contitute unitended consequences. Had person B been holding the beer and lost control of it because of the slap, then yes, that would be an unintended consequence of person B's action, however in this case, Person C thought about his actions before consciously deciding to carry them out.

Imagine the person a table over saw person B slap person C and was so overcome with emotion, he slapped the woman across from him. Would that be considered a consquence of Person B who should then be held liable?
 
justinjones1963 said:
Nope. Slapping a person does not justify retaliation. Self-defense is permitted. For example if they blocked the slap with the beer and the beer accidentally poured on the camera they would have been fine but waiting and then retaliating against the person is not self-defense.
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Legally yes, the person who slapped him in that back of the head is liable and guilty of assault. There was no self defense. The beer was self defense, agianst two antagonists. Stat is trying to relieve his own culpabililty.

I am done with hearing lilstub trying to justify this. The whole thing is a fucking joke that should be on dr phil's chat.

Thank you though, everyone, for a good laugh.
 
mountain muscle said:
Legally yes, the person who slapped him in that back of the head is liable and guilty of assault. There was no self defense. The beer was self defense, agianst two antagonists. Stat is trying to relieve his own culpabililty.

I am done with hearing lilstub trying to justify this. The whole thing is a fucking joke that should be on dr phil's chat.

Thank you though, everyone, for a good laugh.
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lol bro, you seem angry.
 
Lestat said:
lol bro, you seem angry.
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you seem deluded. but enjoy it. just keep to posting pics. I enjoy those. I cannot tolerate victim threads when the perp is posting them. I would respect you more if you just acknowledged responsibility instead of pointing finger.

Anger? yes. at pussies incapable of acknowledging responsibilty, then trying to justify. You wouldn't last in my crowd bro. Or is it bra?
 
mountain muscle said:
you seem deluded. but enjoy it. just keep to posting pics. I enjoy those. I cannot tolerate victim threads when the perp is posting them. I would respect you more if you just acknowledged responsibility instead of pointing finger.

Anger? yes. at pussies incapable of acknowledging responsibilty, then trying to justify. You wouldn't last in my crowd bro. Or is it bra?
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lol. not sure if my crowd and your crowd would mix. I am not trying to justify anything, one of my bros got his camera splashed with beer and everyone who's heard about it has weighed in. MOst people say the dude who owns the camera is shit out of luck, you bring your toys out, they could get busted. All others say the person who threw the beer is a tool.

I actually said C and B should split the cost, in the spirit of friendship, that was too liberal for some.
 
l;oll this sounds like a high school type of scenario
i gave up ass slapping my boys in pee-wee football
 
Moltke said:
l;oll this sounds like a high school type of scenario
i gave up ass slapping my boys in pee-wee football
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Unless they're cute and naked, right?


Otherwise the meatup is off.
 
Lestat said:
So the person who actually threw the beer doesn't have any responsibility for the damage it caused, I just want to make sure that is clear before I tell him to eat a dick!
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so do you get picked on often, lestat?
 
call judge judy
 
Lestat said:
So person A B C D are all sitting at a table.

Person A and B are fucking around with Person C, verbally abusing him, getting him riled up. Person A and B move towards person C threatening to smack him for talking back.

Person B ends up smacking person C on the back of the head, not a punch, a grazing slap that had a sting to it.

Person C retaliates against person A, he didn't know who smacked his head, so he swings on person A catches him in the eye.

Person A gets pissed, claimed he didn't slap person C.

Person C realizes that person B delivered the slap, and throws his beer on person B.

Person B is HOLDING Person D's digital Camera which gets soaked with beer.

Person D now wants their camera replaced.

Who should be financially responsible?
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why did u let him smack u in the head?
 
Legally, no clue...

But buying a camera is a small price to pay, to learn who your true friends are... or aren't. Person C doesn't need friends like that. $200 is a great fee for that lesson. A. B, D, AND YOU for watching it happen. Fuck you all! Life's too short to stress like that.

and sorry about your cousin, man.
 
Was it quality beer or was it like skunk piss? Person Beerthrower should have been cracked if he wasted good beer.

Someone once walked up to me at a party and smacked my hand spilling my beer all over me. It was Molson...so off course I punched the guy. Picked him up and even threw him over a 6 foot-high porch.

You never fuck with good beer.
 
I lost one of my camera's in a ukraine brothel
I mourn the lost pics more than the damn camera
 
yeah, i'm dizzy from reading that now, but good job describing the situation.

Persons A and B owe you a new camera if it no longer works properly. Person D does have a little responsibility, could have just taken the abuse and not tossed beer. What a waste of beer.

Whiskey
 
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